The Lord's day.

[Elder 111]

That is a rhetorical question and an example of a presupposition that you hold. Did you intend to reveal that presupposition?

Mat 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Tradition does not make things holy.

 

[By Faith Alone]

I did not call for a judgement nor was i making one. I asked if the statements are correct.

Oh..dear friend. Far be it from being judgmental. Many things you have quoted are true. For another time. The facts you have presented are not for this era as Colossians indicates.

Your statements are diametrically opposed to the revelation I gave you. You, like many others, fail to realize...even when shown..the great chasm of change that occurred as a consequence of Acts 28.

2 Peter 1:12...be established in the... present... truth.

Shukufuku sa reta ichi-nichi o ichiban tomadachi.

 

[Elder 111]

Oh..dear friend. Far be it from being judgmental. Many things you have quoted are true. For another time. The facts you have presented are not for this era as Colossians indicates.

Your statements are diametrically opposed to the revelation I gave you. You, like many others, fail to realize...even when shown..the great chasm of change that occurred as a consequence of Acts 28.

2 Peter 1:12...be established in the... present... truth.

Shukufuku sa reta ichi-nichi o ichiban tomadachi.

Does present truth remove old truth? That seems to be the implication.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Does present truth remove old truth? That seems to be the implication.

There. You have it. Thank you.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Just as the old covenant will be replaced by the new.

Jer 31:31-32
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

The new covenant and the old covenant cannot exist at the same time. Just as daylight and dark are not coexistent:

John 1:4-5
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

I hope you are not one that would die rather than change your doctrine when your doctrine is proved false.

 

[rstrats]

By Faith Alone,

re: "...I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah..."


Has this new covenant been made yet with Israel and with Judah, and what exactly are the terms of this new covenant?

 

[Tzaousios]

Tradition does not make things holy.

I never said it did.

 

[Tzaousios]

Holy Spirit=Scriptures. Not any manifestation of Deity as some assume.

Can you please explain this statement more? Thanks.

 

[from scratch]

Does present truth remove old truth? That seems to be the implication.

No, however a covenant can and has been replaced. The old simply has no jurisdiction.

 

[Elder 111]

There. You have it. Thank you.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Just as the old covenant will be replaced by the new.

Jer 31:31-32
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

The new covenant and the old covenant cannot exist at the same time. Just as daylight and dark are not coexistent:

John 1:4-5
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

I hope you are not one that would die rather than change your doctrine when your doctrine is proved false.

There is a new Covenant, but we ask what is new about it? Or why was it changed?
The same Hebrews 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
The reason is clearly given. It is not because there was a faulty covenant that God had to change but because the Jews broke the contract. That is clearly stated. One party broke the agreement making the whole void.

Note also in the other passage from Jeremiah that the place, location is the changed. From stone to flesh of the heart. Again not a change in the tenants of the agreement/law/contract but the place that it is written.

The thing is that once one party departed from the covenant it was voided, making a need for a new one that is the only reason that is given.
No removal of the laws, just the place of writing.

 

[Elder 111]

No, however a covenant can and has been replaced. The old simply has no jurisdiction.

Why was it replaced? Text please.

 

[By Faith Alone]

By Faith Alone,

re: "...I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah..."

Has this new covenant been made yet with Israel and with Judah, and what exactly are the terms of this new covenant?

Not yet. And Elder 111 left out important facts whether intentional or not I do not know. Par for the course:

The Lord said HOW He would do it:

Ezek 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:

That is Divine skill, power and fury with which to rule over the nation. That is the beginning of the restoration and that is BEFORE they return to the Promised Land. The Lord Jesus is not ruling over them neither by might nor power nor by the Holy Spirit.

*He will NOT allow any unbelievers into the land.......

Ezek 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Matt 8:11-12
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew 8:11 shows the Kingdom of Heaven is on the earth and is Christ's reign is here over Israel.

The future great gathering in Sinai will make the number that came out of Egypt look just like a little picnic among friends.

Ezek 20:35-37
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness (Mt. Sinai) of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

Ezek 37:10-12
10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet... an exceeding great army....
11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Ezekiel was talking to the people of his time and they will have to be resurrected.
A required term of the New Covenant that has not been met:

Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Israel has not returned to offering firstfruits:

Ezek 20:40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord God, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.

thus far we can see the New Covenant was never in effect and still is not. The old Covenant was still in force during the “Acts” period:

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is.. ready... to vanish away.

There is still no “New Covenant” church today.

Ezekiel 20:33-38...... “I” is used eleven times. It will be all of His work. He does not use nations to carry out this promise. This also shows Israel that was made as a nation in 1948 was not a fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

It is strange. An SDA started me on the road to prophecy many years ago on a site just like this one. It was in a private chat room one-one-one by invitation. The subject was the book of Daniel and it was amazing how much he knew.

Furthermore the Gentiles were strangers to those covenants and promises:

Eph 2:12-13
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now...(AD 63) in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Can you please explain this statement more? Thanks.

Sure:
Scriptures inspired by the Holy Spirit. In through the eye-gate...into the mind and memory...out the mouth-gate...into our ear-gate...retained in the memory of our minds.
Best this country boy can do.

 

[from scratch]

Why was it replaced? Text please.

That doesn't matter. The fact is - is was replaced.

 

[Tzaousios]

Scriptures inspired by the Holy Spirit. In through the eye-gate...into the mind and memory...out the mouth-gate...into our ear-gate...retained in the memory of our minds.

That is interesting. Still, though, I am rather puzzled as to why you originally chose the phrase "Holy Spirit=Scriptures."

What did you mean by "not any manifestation of Deity as some assume?"

 

[from scratch]

I hope not for one should believe the truth only.
But what about the quotations? Are these quotation correct, if so what does that say?

I don't do you tube or audios. I've got no idea what he said. You want to quote him for me?

 

[Elder 111]

That doesn't matter. The fact is - is was replaced.

It does you just not interested in the truth.

 

[Elder 111]

I don't do you tube or audios. I've got no idea what he said. You want to quote him for me?

The point is that there are various documents of Popes and officials of the catholic Church stating that the Catholics both have the authority to and that they did change Sabbath sacredness to Sunday.
Is it true that there are Catholic documents that state such?

 

[Setyoufree]

On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight. (Acts 20:7)

On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. (1 Corinthians 16:2)

In both of these verses you see people gathering together on the first day of the week so it obviously has significance. Also if you read what the earliest Christians believed and practiced then it is clear.

Acts 2:46 And every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple complex, and broke bread from house to house.

Okay, then everyday is special....

 

[from scratch]

It does you just not interested in the truth.

So lets hear how it changes the facts. I'm all ears, er well eye balls here.

 

[from scratch]

The point is that there are various documents of Popes and officials of the catholic Church stating that the Catholics both have the authority to and that they did change Sabbath sacredness to Sunday.
Is it true that there are Catholic documents that state such?

Look dude I don't give a rip snort what someone says that doesn't match up with the historical record. I'm not RC either. Now tell me why I should care what they say. It doesn't affect my salvation. I'm not forsaking grace for a works oriented salvation that insures failure also goes by the name death in this instance. I like life and am very sorry you don't seem to.