No. Period.
If one doesn't accept the saving grace of Jesus Christ then they
don't go to Heaven.
By the way, I didn't make this up. God says so. I believe God.
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An Important Message from Billy Graham to non-christians
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If one doesn't accept the saving grace of Jesus Christ then they
don't go to Heaven.
By the way, I didn't make this up. God says so. I believe God.
No, you don't follow me. It has nothing to do with following the right
god. It has everything with following the ONLY God.
YOU get to choose to go to Heaven or not. Not sure how this can
be any more clear.
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gord44
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It's simple Don. You believe the Bible is the Word of God. To you it is so very simple.
Awitch doesn't believe the Bible is the Word of God. To him, it's not so simple.
You come here and tell non-Christians that God says this or that, somehow thinking that it's so simple. But without that belief that the Bible is the Word of God, your arguments have little meaning to others. There has to be more then 'God said it' to convince others of your point.
Awitch doesn't believe the Bible is the Word of God. To him, it's not so simple.
You come here and tell non-Christians that God says this or that, somehow thinking that it's so simple. But without that belief that the Bible is the Word of God, your arguments have little meaning to others. There has to be more then 'God said it' to convince others of your point.
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Theres a saying, "to trust is good, but not trust is better." This is partly the rationale of non-Christians. And there is no point in discussing a book with people who never read it carefully.
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Yes, it's very, very simple. For some reason others want to make it
to be a complicated contrivance. It's not. It's very simple.
That's because he, I didn't realize he's a male, is trying too hard.
The Gospel is very simple.
I realize that some don't want to believe that the Bible is the Word
of God. That's their problem.
If someone doesn't want to believe the Word of God it's not my
problem. The Bible is very clear, that means it isn't complicated.
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gord44
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Ok Don. We get it's not your problem. No one said it was. Just pointing out why saying 'God said it' in reference to the Bible won't sway anyone here who isn't a Christian. You could point to a comic book and say 'Batman said it' and it would have about the same effect.
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Only in your opinion. Whether or not you accept God's Word is
irrelevant. And if you have read the Word, which you've shown
no reason to believe you have, you'd know that.
No, you couldn't. That's something you've concocted on your
own.
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gord44
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It's only my opinion that non-Christians won't be convinced by Christian scripture? Ok. Please explain in detail why Christian scripture will convince non-Christians.
And yes. I have read the Bible. I used to bask in it every day. It was my joy and my comfort to open it up and be inspired by what I read. My favorite verse was 1 Corinthians 16:13.
Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be courageous; be strong.
Man that verse would fire me up and move me to tears. It still hangs on my wall in my office in a frame. I left the faith shortly before I was to begin my schooling to enter the ministry.
Not really. It's a common an example. To a non-Christian the Bible is just a book.
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bhsmte
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Most non-believers have read the book very carefully. Speaking for myself, a thorough scholarly and historical review of the bible, is part of the reason I am no longer a christian. The more I studied the book, the less credible it became and the christian story became not believable when compared to the real world.
Pew did a study last year, in which they assessed the religious knowledge of christians, other religious people and non-believers. You know who scored the highest in religious knowledge? Non-believers and christians finished dead last.
So no, in many circumstances, atheists or agnostics have not chosen to not believe the christian story because they haven't studied the bible, they have chosen to be a non-believer, because they have thoroughly studied the bible and it's historicity.
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As an example, to this Lover of God, the ONLY Holy Word of God directly written by God with His own hand and signed off with his signature can only be found with in life itself. All else has passed through the hands of man and thus is not the Word of God. That's as simple as it gets.
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I don't believe I ever said anything swaying anyone. And as far as a
problem goes, I should have said it's up to you or anyone else to
believe the Word of God.
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Let's try again. We have no concept of "salvation" in Judaism. We keep the commandments because we love HaShem and He told us to do them. I don't do it to be saved or avoid Hell.
The servant of the Lord, the Jewish people identified as Israel (Isa 41:8-9, 44:1, 44:21, 45:4, 48:20, 49:3) has been despised and rejected by the nations of the worlds aka the Gentiles (Isa 53:3). The kings of the world will not believe what they are seeing when the Jewish people are raised up during the messianic age (Isa 53:1).
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You asked if you're going to Hell. Why?
Christians believe chapter 53 of Isaiah is about Jesus. It accurately
depicts his history, crucifixion and resurrection.
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Why do you lie to us. Jews have not been keeping the torah because there is no temple and no sacrifices are being conducted as commanded to you. This means no jewish peoples are right with Gd.
If you do not perform the commandments, you are in sins - Leviticus
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