The Book of Enoch

[yeshuasavedme]

Enoch wasn't included in the Hebrew Canon or the Septuagint because it isn't inspired...end of discussion.

There was no Hebrew "canon" until the Christ rejecting Jews made one up for the Jews, after Christ rose, ascended, and was glorified -all as Enoch prophesied.
Enoch was in the manuscript collection =Bible, of the Jews who collected the manuscripts/books they deemed sacred writing, and the students of the Word did read Enoch as is well documented in history. Jesus' household read and quoted from Enoch.
His womb brothers, James and Jude, both quote from Enoch. His Apostle, Peter, quotes from Enoch, and His Apostle Saul/Paul, quotes from Enoch.

 

[TheGMan]

A better question: how is prophecy automatically Scripture?

I promise an answer but I need to know what you mean by prophecy and what you mean by Scripture.

 

[fcdiaz]

Jude 1:14 quotes Enoch's prophecy and Jude was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:20-21 says:

20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Therefore if Enoch was not inspired by the Holy Spirit, I don't think Jude would have ever quoted Enoch. I think the book of Enoch was left out because it was too mystical for those deciding what should be included in the bible. However, ask the Lord to show you or to give you peace about it...

 

[PaladinValer]

I promise an answer but I need to know what you mean by prophecy and what you mean by Scripture.

That's MY point, which has just been illustrated very well.

As such, it isn't Holy Scripture as it has been historically-proven by Christians, nor is it prophecy.

 

[carole2u]

So I was wondering how many people consider this to be inspired. I read through it this weekend and couldn't help but wonder what would make anyone think this was from God.

I just started reading it the other day, just after reading a couple of chapters, I got the same impression

 

[fcdiaz]

I'm very concerned about the state of the nation and where it seems to be headed, socialism, atheism, "islaminisation", taken over by illegal aliens, moral decay, a congress, senate, president, judges who care more about their political ideology, getting re-elected and being politically correct than about doing what is morally right before God. It is important to always keep in mind, however, that in the midst of all the trouble that face us, we Christians have been give power and authority by the Lord Jesus Christ to take authority over the powers of darkness that are behind the attempted destruction and take over of our nation. Would you join me in daily praying for the current issues of this nation. Below is a sample prayer you can pray daily over this nation:

Father I ask that you forgive our sins, the sins of this nation, and that you would grant this nation repentance in Jesus name. Father I now join others who are praying for this nation and ask that your spirit would convict those who lead us and the people of this nation and draw them to you. Father deliver us from the plans of our enemies, those who want to destroy this nation and the godly foundation upon this nation was founded. I now take authority over and bind every evil spirit motivating those who govern over us and those planning against us in the name of Jesus. Cover me and my family under your wings Lord and protect us from all evil in the name of Jesus. Amen

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Jude 1:14 quotes Enoch's prophecy and Jude was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:20-21 says:

20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Therefore if Enoch was not inspired by the Holy Spirit, I don't think Jude would have ever quoted Enoch. I think the book of Enoch was left out because it was too mystical for those deciding what should be included in the bible. However, ask the Lord to show you or to give you peace about it...

Jude says Enoch is a prophet, the seventh from Adam, and Jude writes Enoch's prophecy about the coming of the LORD Jesus.

Jesus is coming
Enoch prophesied it
and Jude, the womb brother of Jesus says Enoch is a prophet.

 

[Tzaousios]

I'm very concerned about the state of the nation and where it seems to be headed...

What does any of this have to do with the thread topic?

 

[Jipsah]

So I was wondering how many people consider this to be inspired. I read through it this weekend and couldn't help but wonder what would make anyone think this was from God.

Because it supports bizarre doctrines that they'd like to believe.

 

[Jipsah]

Any reasons you believe it was not from God?

1000 foot giants? But are we now working under the assumption that all books are inspired by God unless one can prove otherwise?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Jesus calls Enoch Scripture when He rebukes the Saduccees for not knowing the Scripture that teaches that in heaven the angels do mot marry, and that those who attain the kingdom will be as the angels in heaven -even like them, and companions with them.

That Scripture is written only in Enoch, written by Enoch when the Great God of Glory spoke it to him to write, when he visited heaven.

 

[Jipsah]

Reading the Word of God for nearly forty years as an avid student of the Word left me with many, many, questions that I thought I would have to wait til I was in heaven to get the answers to, but many of them are answered in Enoch.

But was it the right answer?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

1000 foot giants? But are we now working under the assumption that all books are inspired by God unless one can prove otherwise?

There is no Scripture which contradicts that, is there? You do not know what height the giants that caused the entire world to be destroyed attained to, other than the record in Enoch, do you?

http://s8int.com/index.html
There are giant fossils from the flood of Noah of half ton oysters, armadillos as big as a Volkswagon, and so on and so forth, and in the Badlands, some rock formations turn out to be giant tree fossils, with evidence the trees attained a height of one mile -but you do not believe the Bible on the flood of Noah, then, do you, so even that you do not accept.


So which Book of the Bible do you throw out because it does contradict other books of the Bible on numbers? Do you throw out Chronicles -or Kings, as uninspired, because they do not agree on the number of stables and horses Solomon had; they contradict on numbers..but Enoch does not contradict in numbers.

Do you throw out Acts or Genesis, because Stephen's numbers of the time Israel was in Egypt do not agree with the Genesis record, as it is added up?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The foundation for things mentioned and remarked upon as truth but not laid down in the Torah and the prophets are all laid down foundational-ly in Enoch. Enoch saw everything on a tour given to him by the angels, of the creation, and Enoch read the tablets written in heaven on which God the Word wrote the things that would be, from the beginning, so that the angels could read them and know what would befall the children of Adam.

So when he comes to Daniel in chapter 10, verse 21, He says to Daniel: "but I will show you what is written/inscribed/noted in the Scripture of Truth, and one binds with me in these things, Michael, your prince". He then proceeds to show Daniel the things concerning his people til the end, which Daniel wrote in chapters 11, 12; but those things were already written in the Scripture of Truth, and nowhere on earth were they written, but in heaven.
So there is a Scripture of Truth written in heaven, and Enoch read it, and Daniel wrote two chapters which were revealed to him of things to come concerning his people in the last days.

 

[Jipsah]

There is no Scripture which contradicts that, is there?

There no Scripture that says that people in Biblical times could flap their arms and fly, either, bt it would be pretty doggone silly to believe it.

You do not know what height the giants that caused the entire world to be destroyed attained to, other than the record in Enoch, do you?

Got any giant fossils, giant houses? Giant clothes? *Anything* to lend credibility to the notion of 1000 foot giants? No. And there are a ton or so of good reasons to believe there weren't. Burdens on those who choose to believe it. I say it's tommyrot.

There are giant fossils from the flood of Noah of half ton oysters, armadillos as big as a Volkswagon, and so on and so forth, and in the Badlands, some rock formations turn out to be giant tree fossils, with evidence the trees attained a height of one mile -but you do not believe the Bible on the flood of Noah, then, do you, so even that you do not accept.

There there, keep a grip on it, OK? Just because I don't believe the nonsense that's in Enoch doesn't mean I don't believe the Bible.

So which Book of the Bible do you throw out because it does contradict other books of the Bible on numbers?

Enoch.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

But was it the right answer?

There is no other Scripture other than the Book of Enoch where the doctrines of:
Sheol below earth, who goes there and for how long
and the Lake of Fire as the outer darkness made for the devil and his angels
The Book of Life
The reason Satan opposes sons of Adam and holy angels as the tester of both
Why demons roam earth and torment and afflict and seduce the sons of Adam, and when their time is ended, and why
who the chained angels are, in heaven, and why they are chained, and who Azazel is, and why all sin is given to him on the Day of Atonement [wrongly translated "scapegoat"]
The throne in heaven made for the Son of Man
Who the son of Man in heaven is, who was seen by Enoch as with God, hidden in mystery, as Wisdom, whom God ordained before the world unto our glory, and who was to come, and in whose name the righteous would be saved
the Rapture before the tribulation
the Tribulation

What the name of the New Man is, that Jesus will write on him who overcomes
where Eden is-
and many, many, more.

 

[Jipsah]

There is no other Scripture other than the Book of Enoch where the doctrines of:
Sheol below earth, who goes there and for how long
and the Lake of Fire as the outer darkness made for the devil and his angels
The Book of Life
The reason Satan opposes sons of Adam and holy angels as the tester of both
Why demons roam earth and torment and afflict and seduce the sons of Adam, and when their time is ended, and why
who the chained angels are, in heaven, and why they are chained, and who Azazel is, and why all sin is given to him on the Day of Atonement [wrongly translated "scapegoat"]
The throne in heaven made for the Son of Man
Who the son of Man in heaven is, who was seen by Enoch as with God, hidden in mystery, as Wisdom, whom God ordained before the world unto our glory, and who was to come, and in whose name the righteous would be saved
the Rapture before the tribulation
the Tribulation

What the name of the New Man is, that Jesus will write on him who overcomes
where Eden is-
and many, many, more.

I think the Book of Mormon covers a lot of that territory as well. Just sayin'...

 

[yeshuasavedme]

There no Scripture that says that people in Biblical times could flap their arms and fly, either, bt it would be pretty doggone silly to believe it.

Got any giant fossils, giant houses? Giant clothes? *Anything* to lend credibility to the notion of 1000 foot giants? No. And there are a ton or so of good reasons to believe there weren't. Burdens on those who choose to believe it. I say it's tommyrot.

There there, keep a grip on it, OK? Just because I don't believe the nonsense that's in Enoch doesn't mean I don't believe the Bible.

Enoch.

You are not speaking with truth, here, cause there is no contradiction to any other Scripture, in Enoch, but I showed you contradictions above, on numbers within the Bible we use -not to mention that the Septuagint and the Masoretic are totally in contradiction on numbers and ages and years in many places -or are you not aware of that?
The NT writers used the Septuagint for quotes, proven, but many numbers are in total contradiction to the Hebrew Masoretic text used for most English translations; so why are you claiming for Enoch what is not true, but accepting contradictions in the above, which I showed?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I think the Book of Mormon covers a lot of that territory as well. Just sayin'...

Having many Mormons in my family I can tell you that the doctrines of the Mormon religion in contradiction to Jesus Christ as God who created all things are not in the Book of Mormon, itself. It was a novel written as fiction to make money and interesting reading taking off on the myth of American Indians being somehow Jews -a total fabrication. The man who wrote it had it stolen at the printers where he took it, and it ended up rewritten with King James verses intermixed in it, but that is another story.

And Jesus never quoted from it nor called it Scripture, and Jude did call Enoch "the prophet, the 7th from Adam", and wrote his opening prophecy in his short letter, from Enoch.

You have a disconnect, and try to deflect and obfuscate, but it does not work.
Enoch stands the test of time and was called Scripture by Jesus Himself.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I think we have had go rounds before on what you do not believe which the Bible does say, and I think you do not believe what it says on the flood being global -or do I have it wrong?
You are free to believe what you wish, of course, but I point out that you pick for yourself based on your opinions to not accept what the Word does say -so how could you ever enter into a discussion about Enoch, who prophesied of the flood of Noah and of the tribulation before the millennial kingdom, when you already do not even believe what the Genesis to Revelation record does say.
-just saying.