The Lord's day.

[from scratch]

How do we really know the seed of the train of thought. Things are not always what they seem to be.

No wonder it is so hard to have a discussion or even a conversation here.

 

[By Faith Alone]

No wonder it is so hard to have a discussion or even a conversation here.

I would like to see the evidence the person has EGW in mind. Sorry I am not going to jump on the bandwagon at a whim. False accusations get us no where. Saying so without reference material does me no good. Did I miss something here? Please tell me if I am wrong.

 

[Elder 111]

Synagogues by the internal evidence. The word "ekklesia" was not translated with consistency.



What about chapter 12?



What about the 1260 days which adds up to what?

My questions were to evoke from you the reasons, if indeed you can, for placing all the events of the Revelation in the future. Can you do that?

 

[from scratch]

I would like to see the evidence the person has EGW in mind. Sorry I am not going to jump on the bandwagon at a whim. False accusations get us no where. Saying so without reference material does me no good. Did I miss something here? Please tell me if I am wrong.

That is simply old hash. I see no need to continually post the same things over and over. What are you looking for? A c&p war? I've definitely thought of doing just that. My guess is they think by offering something over and over we'll accept a false gospel. They're evangelizing and not discussing anything.

 

[from scratch]

My questions were to evoke from you the reasons, if indeed you can, for placing all the events of the Revelation in the future. Can you do that?

Into what future? I think it was an immediate future with the 7 churches which still ring true for organized religion of today.

 

[Elder 111]

EGW? I thought we had to be in revelation, or it is a derail?

Now, the point is, that it does not matter, we can decide what day, according to Rom 14:5, and in gal 4, it was a waste of time, according to Paul, your op does not say we can't quote text, or thoughts from other books. Others have, why single me out?

Thanks, frogster.

You have persisted in negating the Sabbath but have not given a concrete account as to what Rev, 1:10 is. Show what it is and why.
You are obviously against the Sabbath. so show why the Sabbath could not be called "the Lord day". Note that it is not a case of supporting or denying the present validity of the Sabbath but giving reasons why John could not mean the Sabbath.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

My questions were to evoke from you the reasons, if indeed you can, for placing all the events of the Revelation in the future. Can you do that?
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Into what future? I think it was an immediate future with the 7 churches which still ring true for organized religion of today.

I wonder how the non-Christian Jews of today would view it?

Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series Part 1

The mark of the beast. Armageddon. The Four Horsemen. The false prophet. Babylon the great. Falling stars, stinging locusts, and giant hailstones. The seven last plagues. The bottomless pit. The lake of fire. These images of terror and catastrophe from the book of Revelation have greatly influenced the thinking of millions of Christians through the ages. Even the secular press uses images such as "Armageddon" and "four horsemen of the Apocalypse" to describe calamities in our world.
Despite 1900 years of fascination with the book of Revelation, John’s letter to the seven Churches of Asia continues to be misunderstood. And badly misinterpreted!

One misconception shared by some is that the Revelation has nothing of importance to say to us. It’s considered to be merely a bizarre piece of first-century writing with no relevance for today. Another wrong idea is that the Revelation is a code book describing a specific outline of history written in advance. Countless interpreters have tried to "decode" the book from a historical perspective to find all the major world events of the past 1900 years. Others interpret it more literally as a handbook for predicting the cataclysmic events that will bring the final wrath of God and the end of the world.

The claims of Christian groups from the early church to the present — that the Revelation pinpoints the events, personalities, and time periods of "the end" — have all failed. This should be a caution to believers for using the book of Revelation as a predictive handbook. Other people’s interpretation of the book of Revelation is based on the "Pan Theory" — it’s all going to pan out in the end! Beloved brethren, the fact is, it’s not panning out the way the end-time prognosticators are projecting!............................



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[Frogster]

You have persisted in negating the Sabbath but have not given a concrete account as to what Rev, 1:10 is. Show what it is and why.
You are obviously against the Sabbath. so show why the Sabbath could not be called "the Lord day". Note that it is not a case of supporting or denying the present validity of the Sabbath but giving reasons why John could not mean the Sabbath.

was john saying it was sabbath, did paul in thess, as they discussed the coming of Christ?

why did Jesus say, we won't know the day of his coming, how can the day of the lord be on the sabby, that would mean we would know the day.

what you are doing, is called overpressing a text. Is he speaking of sabby in 1:10, is there any surrounding text to support it was sabby, is there even a hint?

same with Paul, the day of the lord wordage had zilch to make us think it is sabby in thess..


so if you want to teach, you had better give surrounding context, or we just have a prooftext.

 

[Elder 111]

You also chose to ignore much of the Bible.

As Frogster pointed out My Holy day isn't found in Revelation. You have to be getting this from somewhere else.

The preblem is not getting it from another book it is relating it directly to the issue.
Quoting as he did does not state that " the Lord's day" was Sabbath or Sunday or the day of the Lord. That is the point. Show what John would have meant and stop address what Paul said without tying it in the the text in question.

 

[Frogster]

The preblem is not getting it from another book it is relating it directly to the issue.
Quoting as he did does not state that " the Lord's day" was Sabbath or Sunday or the day of the Lord. That is the point. Show what John would have meant and stop address what Paul said without tying it in the the text in question.

give us more than just quoting 1:10, please...


I mean, if this were a bible calsss, everyone would not be moved 1 inch, towards your teaching, because you have no surrounding text.

 

[Elder 111]

was john saying it was sabbath, did paul in thess, as they discussed the coming of Christ?

why did Jesus say, we won't know the day of his coming, how can the day of the lord be on the sabby, that would mean we would know the day.

what you are doing, is called overpressing a text. Is he speaking of sabby in 1:10, is there any surrounding text to support it was sabby, is there even a hint?

same with Paul, the day of the lord wordage had zilch to make us think it is sabby in thess..


so if you want to teach, you had better give surrounding context, or we just have a prooftext.

I certainly did not say nor in any way imply that the day of the Lord was a Sabbath or that the Lord was coming on a Sabbath. You need to stick to the facts. I am offended by the misrepresentation.
Take the time to understand what is being said, please!
There are three views that I have noted so far. John is taking about the day of the Lord, the Sabbath or Sunday. Which do you support if any?
With an answer I can address your position and certainly I would like you to address my position as stated, not as you may assume.

 

[Elder 111]

give us more than just quoting 1:10, please...


I mean, if this were a bible calsss, everyone would not be moved 1 inch, towards your teaching, because you have no surrounding text.

I gave; you just were not looking.
I will give one here. God call the Sabbath "My holy day" Isaiah 58:13 and in many other places. Once God Himself had done that it is fitting that John or anyone else to call it "the Lord's day". If not why not.
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

 

[Frogster]

I certainly did not say nor in any way imply that the day of the Lord was a Sabbath or that the Lord was coming on a Sabbath. You need to stick to the facts. I am offended by the misrepresentation.
Take the time to understand what is being said, please!
There are three views that I have noted so far. John is taking about the day of the Lord, the Sabbath or Sunday. Which do you support if any?
With an answer I can address your position and certainly I would like you to address my position as stated, not as you may assume.

red above, but you're doing it here, you say it was not sabby, yet you support sabby, and obviously that view, yet you offer no facts, or context.

so please give us context for your view, outta revelation...

 

[Frogster]

I gave; you just were not looking.
I will give one here. God call the Sabbath "My holy day" Isaiah 58:13 and in many other places. Once God Himself had done that it is fitting that John or anyone else to call it "the Lord's day". If not why not.
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

paul said the day of the lord in thess, too, and nothing supprts sabby there, so give us surrounding context out of rev, or it is a prooftext.

do we just run with 1:10, and that's it?

 

[Frogster]

I gave; you just were not looking.
I will give one here. God call the Sabbath "My holy day" Isaiah 58:13 and in many other places. Once God Himself had done that it is fitting that John or anyone else to call it "the Lord's day". If not why not.
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

are these sabby verses? Anything to indicate what exact day?


Corinthians 1:8
who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.



1 Corinthians 5:5
you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.


Corinthians 1:14
just as you did partially understand us—that on the day of our Lord Jesus you will boast of us as we will boast of you.

1 Thessalonians 5:1
[ The Day of the Lord ] Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you.


Thessalonians 5:2
For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.


1 Thessalonians 2:2
not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

 

[By Faith Alone]

I gave; you just were not looking.
I will give one here. God call the Sabbath "My holy day" Isaiah 58:13 and in many other places. Once God Himself had done that it is fitting that John or anyone else to call it "the Lord's day". If not why not.
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

It is evident you have no idea what the book of Revelation is about. You are not alone. It is simply about the last 3 and 1/2 years of the "Time of Jacob's trouble" to the end being the Second advent. It is the last wave of anti-semitism led by Satan himself that rocks the world. It is confined to that specific period of time. The seven churches are the assemblies of that same period. Although there are parallels throughout history the direct application is limited. Too many butchers and not enough teachers.

 

[from scratch]

I gave; you just were not looking.
I will give one here. God call the Sabbath "My holy day" Isaiah 58:13 and in many other places. Once God Himself had done that it is fitting that John or anyone else to call it "the Lord's day". If not why not.
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

So who is being spoken to and in what context? In case you don't recognize the rhetorical 2 part question the answer is - Israel is being addressed and the context is their covenant issued at Mt Sinai.

Who is John addressing? I think it is the Christian. Were people known as Christians during the time of the prophets of the Old Testament? No they're not. Why were Jews called Christians? Because the followed the law? Hardly. It was because their behavior was different and their leader is Jesus Christ and not Moses.

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Is grace ant truth the same as the law? If so why didn't John say the law was given and promoted by Jesus Christ as well as Moses. Did Moses preach grace? Where?

 

[from scratch]

I certainly did not say nor in any way imply that the day of the Lord was a Sabbath or that the Lord was coming on a Sabbath. You need to stick to the facts. I am offended by the misrepresentation.
Take the time to understand what is being said, please!
There are three views that I have noted so far. John is taking about the day of the Lord, the Sabbath or Sunday. Which do you support if any?
With an answer I can address your position and certainly I would like you to address my position as stated, not as you may assume.

Then you can't be saying John was talking about the Sabbath when you use the phrase day of the Lord to imply the Sabbath.

Ya gots ta be a politician fur sure.

 

[Elder 111]

Then you can't be saying John was talking about the Sabbath when you use the phrase day of the Lord to imply the Sabbath.

Ya gots ta be a politician fur sure.

The term is "the Lord's day" . There is no reference to the "day of the Lord as the Sabbath.

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

I gave; you just were not looking.
I will give one here. God call the Sabbath "My holy day" Isaiah 58:13 and in many other places. Once God Himself had done that it is fitting that John or anyone else to call it "the Lord's day". If not why not.
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
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paul said the day of the lord in thess, too, and nothing supprts sabby there, so give us surrounding context out of rev, or it is a prooftext.

do we just run with 1:10, and that's it?

Look and see that it is not the day of the Lord! It is the Lord's day.
Stop mixing up the issue.