The Lord's day.

[Frogster]

Can someone explain to me, why it is that the Lord call the Sabbath "My holy day", "My Sabbath", "My holy Sabbath" a "Sabbath to the Lord", and still it is impossible for it to be called the "the Lord's day". I will like this explained.
Normally if something is claimed by someone it is OK to say that it is their. The house of John. John's house. "My holy Sabbath day blessed and sanctified by Me, God. Then term "the Lord's day" would be fitting to so describe that day. If not why not?

easy..the sacrifices were no longer desired, the old cov was abolished, 10:9.8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law),h 2;15, and they were old cov...forget sabby..by the way, do you keep feasts, i can't seem to get an sda person to tell me why they don"t want those laws, yet they pick food laws...


Heb 10:8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law),

 

[Frogster]

Paul isn't addressing pagan practices. It is common knowledge the problem in the early church is the Jewish proselytizers. It is the reason for the Jerusalem council. The evidence this is the problem is also addressed very pointedly in chapters 3 and 5.

 

[maco]

no way, the judaizers wer pushing law, look at the direction they were headed in...


4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?


Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

prove this post wrong...were they headed in 2 directions?

warning.. I can disprove 4:9 with more, to show it was not paganism that they were headed to...lemeee know,. AFTER you refute theses 2 verses..

The law here is not referring to the content of the ten commandments but rather how we approach God and how we view ourselves before God. This is the whole context of Galatians. We are not to draw our approval before God through the law. If we use the law as a means to stand before God it will lead to bondage but if we use the law to define godly love then there is life.

 

[Standing Up]

Was the Passover considered a type of sabbath?
That is when Josephus says Titus encompassed Jerusalem.
Just curious

Matt 24:19
"Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days! 20 Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath/sabbatw <4521>"

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

*snip*


The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.
At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival and the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers...........




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The 14th of Nisan, the actual Passover day, was never thought a Sabbath.

The 15th was the first day of unleavened bread, which was also known as the feast of the Passover was a Sabbath. So too was the last day the 21st.

The 15th is the high Sabbath (megas) of John's gospel.

 

[Frogster]

The law here is not referring to the content of the ten commandments but rather how we approach God and how we view ourselves before God. This is the whole context of Galatians. We are not to draw or approval before God through the law. If we use the law as a means to stand before God it will lead to bondage but if we use the law to define godly love then there is life.

the law is the law, Paul said, if they got circumcised, they have to KEEP THE WHOLE LAW..5;3

no?

Paul said, stay out of that bondage...the law..

no?

 

[from scratch]

The law here is not referring to the content of the ten commandments but rather how we approach God and how we view ourselves before God. This is the whole context of Galatians. We are not to draw or approval before God through the law. If we use the law as a means to stand before God it will lead to bondage but if we use the law to define godly love then there is life.

I think you're saying we can see ourselves righteous even while we violate the law as our rule of faith (method by which we gain admittance to eat from the tree of life). I'm under the impression you say if we sin (violate the Ten Commandments) we can't enter heaven and eat from the Tree of Life per Rev 22:14.

Would not keeping the 7th day Sabbath be pleasing to God from your view point?

Would you be so kind as to explain this for us?

 

[By Faith Alone]

Lev 23:10-11
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Resurrection Sunday...if no one else has mentioned this?

 

[By Faith Alone]

easy..the sacrifices were no longer desired, the old cov was abolished, 10:9.8

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is... ready.... to vanish away.

The New Covenant cannot exist at the same time as the Old Covenant. Do you know the conditions that are to exist under the New Covenant?

 

[Frogster]

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is... ready.... to vanish away.

The New Covenant cannot exist at the same time as the Old Covenant. Do you know the conditions that are to exist under the New Covenant?

to answer your question, i refer you to your user id.

 

[maco]

I think you're saying we can see ourselves righteous even while we violate the law as our rule of faith (method by which we gain admittance to eat from the tree of life). I'm under the impression you say if we sin (violate the Ten Commandments) we can't enter heaven and eat from the Tree of Life per Rev 22:14.

Would not keeping the 7th day Sabbath be pleasing to God from your view point?

Would you be so kind as to explain this for us?

To me we enter into relationship with God through Christ. Entering into this relationship with God is based on a righteousness that comes from Christ. Once we enter in we are to abide in that righteousness through a rightly related heart towards God.

1 John 3:20-22 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

This does not mean we are perfect in obedience but we are to be perfect as it relates to our heart towards God. What I mean by this is that our desire is to be holy as God is holy but we don't always do what pleases God and when this happens our heart becomes broken and contrite. God will not despise and broken or contrite heart, 1 John 1:9. The confession of 1 John 1:9 is not to change God's heart towards us but the cleans us from all the guilt and condemnation that comes from sin. Sin hardens our heart towards God not God's heart towards us. If you know the Sabbath is the seventh day and understand what it represents and how to honor it in light of the spirit of the Law and you don't that can harden the heart over time.

 

[By Faith Alone]

to answer your question, i refer you to your user id.

It is not by faith of which I speak...BUT...the conditions of that "sphere of blessings" (wherein faith is a..requirement...to enter) and to whom these blessing relate.


Remember. We must be "church specific". Look up the Greek for church and the definition.

Matt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matt 16:18...upon this rock I will build my... ISRAEL.... and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Now we have here another group...THE...church:

Eph 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church.Which is.. his... body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Please read Ephesians and Colossians and compare to the Acts period. Those two epistles reveal our calling in detail. The total doctrine is there. Time for all of us to view our doctrinal position and be ready to change according to the revelations in the Holy Writ. See what is missing and, most notably, study the Gentiles' position now in relation to Israel. Not the same relationship as the Olive tree of Romans 11. And..PLEASE...understand what happened at Acts 28.

 

[Standing Up]

Lev 23:10-11
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Resurrection Sunday...if no one else has mentioned this?

Actually, that would be the 16th of Nisan, which would be the day after the feast Sabbath.

14-Passover
15-1st day of unleavened bread
16-firstfruits

 

[Florierte Gottes]

Now there's an interesting moniker. What does it mean? Does it mean little flower god(s)?

Well welcome to GT.

Thank you, but glory be to God, as the designation means "God prospered".

 

[Florierte Gottes]

That's weird. My Bible does. Sorry about yours. I thought we had different Bibles.

Hi,

Your "Bible does"? what, give evidence that Sunday is "the Lord's Day" that Revelation 1:10 speaks of?

Please produce this, that we may see and read together, for there are none here who desire to be in error, or out of harmony with the will of God.

If there is such evidence, we all need to see, that we may fulfill the prayer of Jesus, to be of one mind, one heart.

 

[Florierte Gottes]

Where do you get this idea the Ten Commandments are for the Gentiles?

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; - Acts 17:24

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; - Acts 17:26

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: - Acts 17:30

Now, please read, Exodus 20:8-11, even specifically vs. 11.

Then, if you will, read, Deuteronomy 4:5,6,7,8; Isaiah 42:6, 49:6; Matthew 5:14; 1 Kings 10:1,6,7,8,24; Ecclesiastes 12:13,14.

After considering these, please look again at Acts 17:24,26,30, and recompare to Acts 4:24, 14:15,16.

Then finally, after looking at these passages, read, Romans 7:7,9 and 1 John 3:4.

 

[Elder 111]

Yes sir it is sweet to refuse to answer a question and introduce something else. This is an admittance John isn't calling the 7th day Sabbath the Lord's day. Every time John talks about the 7th day he calls it the Sabbath. So why the change?

This is either being desperate or just plainly being ridiculous.
You have laid the basic for the refusal of the idea that John could mean the Sabbath because he previously called it the Seventh day.
I then made the observation that Sunday was previously called the first day, so that you are in the same position with your claim of John referring to Sunday.
I further stated that God called the Sabbath "my holy day" and you call that admittance? To what? Maco gave a list of times God called the Sabbath His day. You must deny this at all cost. What will it cost you to admit that John was in the Spirit on the Sabbath? What did it cost Paul to admit that Jesus was the son of God? Will you die?

 

[Elder 111]

In the Bible it is Rev 1:10 unless you can provide a reason John has switched terms in reference to the 7th day.

Please! on the basic of your own argument. You have no point on John referring to Sunday. The same foundation you use to refute that John was talking about the Seventh day plainly defeats the Sunday position you hold. A blind man saw that 2 million miles away.

 

[Elder 111]

I never said this. I said they TAUGHT the day Christ rose from the dead (which was a first day, irregardless of Rome calling it Sunday) "the Lord's day".

Where that stated in the bible? Or implied?

 

[Elder 111]

no way, the judaizers wer pushing law, look at the direction they were headed in...


4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?


Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

prove this post wrong...were they headed in 2 directions, paganism and judaism??

Which was John pushing in calling the seventh day "the Lord day"?

 

[Elder 111]

easy..the sacrifices were no longer desired, the old cov was abolished, 10:9.8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law),h 2;15, and they were old cov...forget sabby..by the way, do you keep feasts, i can't seem to get an sda person to tell me why they don"t want those laws, yet they pick food laws...


Heb 10:8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law),

You need to look at the question again. This bears no realtion to the question.
Please try again.