The Lord's day.

[Elder 111]

That's weird. My Bible does. Sorry about yours. I thought we had different Bibles.

Then show us! How come yous asking for text and not giving any. Sorry case dismissed for lack of evidence.

 

[maco]

I have been studying Revelation chapter1 and of course came across verse 10.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Here John does not explain what he means by the Lord's day but a look at the Greek shows: Kyriakos (kü-rē-ä-ko's) meaning belonging to the Lord /related to the Lord.
Most of us christians accept without question that this refers to Sunday. I was listening to Kay Arthur of Precept Ministries sometime ago and she said that it meant Sunday and that she would give the evidence for it, but I never heard her evidence.
It there any biblical support for assuming that the Lord's day is Sunday? I have seen none, not one!
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Revelation 1:10 gives no indication as to which day John was referring to but if I were to use the Bible to determine which day is the Lord's day I would be bombarded with Scripture that say Saturday, the seventh day of the week is the Lord's day.

Exodus 16:23 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Exodus 35:2 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Leviticus 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Deuteronomy 5:14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Jesus even goes on to say how He is Lord of the Sabbath so that would make the Sabbath the Lord's day.

Now how many times does the Bible say Sunday is the Lord's day. No even once. Is there strong delusion in the church today or what?

 

[Frogster]

Then show us! How come yous asking for text and not giving any. Sorry case dismissed for lack of evidence.

you were not a part of this people, or cov, that is a fact. Do you keep the feasts? yet, i have a strange feeling you select food laws, while ignoring feasts, all of which were not given to you anywhoooo..


2 chron 2:4 Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the Lord my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the Lord our God, as ordained forever for Israel.

 

[Frogster]

Revelation 1:10 gives no indication as to which day John was referring to but if I were to use the Bible to determine which day is the Lord's day I would be bombarded with Scripture that say Saturday, the seventh day of the week is the Lord's day.

Exodus 16:23 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Exodus 35:2 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Leviticus 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Deuteronomy 5:14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Jesus even goes on to say how He is Lord of the Sabbath so that would make the Sabbath the Lord's day.

Now how many times does the Bible say Sunday is the Lord's day. No even once. Is there strong delusion in the church today or what?

according to Rom 14:5, which says it's up to me, I prefer Wednesday.

 

[pshun2404]

No. You are under a strong delusion. All days are days the Lord has made. The 7th day Sabbath is a day the Lord set apart, and it is a special day, binding in the covenant with Israel (adopted as a tradition or custom for all to gather in one place such as a synagogue, only during the Babylonian captivity, never before, but nowhere commanded).

It is NEVER called "the Lord's day" anywhere in the scriptures and certainly in none of the ones you have posted...this is eisegesis not exegesis. The first day, the day of the resurrection of Christ, became known as the Lord's day and was taught to be such, by the Apostles (who I believe know better than you) to all those they appointed as leaders in the churches they founded.

This is bore out by the fact that no matter where there was a local church and no matter which Apostle founded it, they all taught the same doctrine, and all who write tell us that the day of the resurrection is the Lord's day...a first or eighth day following the 7th day Sabbath (not replacing it) and "Sunday" or the day of the sun, has NOTHING to do with it (that it merely coincidental since Rome ruled the empire and called it that). But I am always confused by modern Sabbaterians in this regard, if Sabbath keeping be so important to you, why do you violate the Torah regarding it?

Paul

 

[from scratch]

Then show us! How come yous asking for text and not giving any. Sorry case dismissed for lack of evidence.

No sir, you've already thrown them out in unbelief to support a false doctrine.

 

[from scratch]

Revelation 1:10 gives no indication as to which day John was referring to but if I were to use the Bible to determine which day is the Lord's day I would be bombarded with Scripture that say Saturday, the seventh day of the week is the Lord's day.

Exodus 16:23 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Exodus 35:2 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Leviticus 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Deuteronomy 5:14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Jesus even goes on to say how He is Lord of the Sabbath so that would make the Sabbath the Lord's day.

Now how many times does the Bible say Sunday is the Lord's day. No even once. Is there strong delusion in the church today or what?

I believe the Bible and historical evidence both support exactly what day John was talking about.

Please quote anything from the Bible saying the Sabbath is the Lord's Day. You simply can't support your false claim the 7th day Sabbath is the Lord's Day. One can however insinuate most anything they wish.

Please explain why John would refer to the 7th day Sabbath as the Lord's when everywhere else he talks about it he uses the word Sabbath.

 

[from scratch]

No. You are under a strong delusion. All days are days the Lord has made. The 7th day Sabbath is a day the Lord set apart, and it is a special day, binding in the covenant with Israel (adopted as a tradition or custom for all to gather in one place such as a synagogue, only during the Babylonian captivity, never before, but nowhere commanded).

It is NEVER called "the Lord's day" anywhere in the scriptures and certainly in none of the ones you have posted...this is eisegesis not exegesis. The first day, the day of the resurrection of Christ, became known as the Lord's day and was taught to be such, by the Apostles (who I believe know better than you) to all those they appointed as leaders in the churches they founded.

This is bore out by the fact that no matter where there was a local church and no matter which Apostle founded it, they all taught the same doctrine, and all who write tell us that the day of the resurrection is the Lord's day...a first or eighth day following the 7th day Sabbath (not replacing it) and "Sunday" or the day of the sun, has NOTHING to do with it (that it merely coincidental since Rome ruled the empire and called it that). But I am always confused by modern Sabbaterians in this regard, if Sabbath keeping be so important to you, why do you violate the Torah regarding it?

Paul

 

[maco]

No. You are under a strong delusion. All days are days the Lord has made. The 7th day Sabbath is a day the Lord set apart, and it is a special day, binding in the covenant with Israel (adopted as a tradition or custom for all to gather in one place such as a synagogue, only during the Babylonian captivity, never before, but nowhere commanded).

It is NEVER called "the Lord's day" anywhere in the scriptures and certainly in none of the ones you have posted...this is eisegesis not exegesis. The first day, the day of the resurrection of Christ, became known as the Lord's day and was taught to be such, by the Apostles (who I believe know better than you) to all those they appointed as leaders in the churches they founded.

This is bore out by the fact that no matter where there was a local church and no matter which Apostle founded it, they all taught the same doctrine, and all who write tell us that the day of the resurrection is the Lord's day...a first or eighth day following the 7th day Sabbath (not replacing it) and "Sunday" or the day of the sun, has NOTHING to do with it (that it merely coincidental since Rome ruled the empire and called it that). But I am always confused by modern Sabbaterians in this regard, if Sabbath keeping be so important to you, why do you violate the Torah regarding it?

Paul

You treat the seventh day Sabbath as though it were sin. God created the seventh day and blessed it making it holy and very good even before sin was in the world. Why do you try to avoid it like the plague? Why do you call good, evil?

Jesus is Lord of THE Sabbath. The word THE testifies of a specific day. God blessed the seventh day and made it holy. The words, blessed and holy, have a special meaning to God and are very important to Him. Do you need a class to help you understand the meanings of words?

You say the resurrection of Jesus is called the Lord's day, chapter and verse please. Spend some time here http://www.christianforums.com/t7784650/ and learn the truth of crucifixion week.

 

[Vladyslaus Kyivarius]

Guess the main point of Christianity is not in that day but in our commitment to those way that God showed us... And especially in our willingness to fulfil those 10 Commandments, as we were told by Lord. Old Law was declined with it.

So we can see what God really wants.

God bless.

 

[Vladyslaus Kyivarius]

That God would have us to worship Him?
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Guess that will be according to the God's will. All we can is to obey.

P.P.S. Maybe I am not that great Bible knower but still you can show some quotations if you find there... That will be the best.

 

[from scratch]

You treat the seventh day Sabbath as though it were sin. God created the seventh day and blessed it making it holy and very good even before sin was in the world. Why do you try to avoid it like the plague? Why do you call good, evil?

What in his post causes you to come to this conclusion?

Jesus is Lord of THE Sabbath. The word THE testifies of a specific day. God blessed the seventh day and made it holy. The words, blessed and holy, have a special meaning to God and are very important to Him. Do you need a class to help you understand the meanings of words?

You say the resurrection of Jesus is called the Lord's day, chapter and verse please. Spend some time here http://www.christianforums.com/t7784650/ and learn the truth of crucifixion week.

Why when you will only throw it out and trample on it.

 

[from scratch]

Guess the main point of Christianity is not in that day but in our commitment to those way that God showed us... And especially in our willingness to fulfil those 10 Commandments, as we were told by Lord. Old Law was declined with it.

So we can see what God really wants.

God bless.

Must be a typo.

 

[Frogster]

You treat the seventh day Sabbath as though it were sin. God created the seventh day and blessed it making it holy and very good even before sin was in the world. Why do you try to avoid it like the plague? Why do you call good, evil?

Jesus is Lord of THE Sabbath. The word THE testifies of a specific day. God blessed the seventh day and made it holy. The words, blessed and holy, have a special meaning to God and are very important to Him. Do you need a class to help you understand the meanings of words?

You say the resurrection of Jesus is called the Lord's day, chapter and verse please. Spend some time here http://www.christianforums.com/t7784650/ and learn the truth of crucifixion week.

when the galatians started to observe the jewish calendar, that had sabby, Paul said he wasted his time on them...the foolish galatians that got duped by the false teachers, getting them under sabbath. 4:10-11.

 

[maco]

What in his post causes you to come to this conclusion?Why when you will only throw it out and trample on it.

Because he is going to unscriptural extremes to avoid the seventh day of creation, which was blessed, made holy and sanctified by God as part of creation itself. Did the death of Jesus make the seventh day unblessed and unholy now? Has that which God has created good now become something to avoid because of the cross? Is Jesus Lord of THE seventh day Sabbath or is there no seventh day Sabbath to be Lord of? Did almost the whole city come out on the Sabbath to hear the word of God just by coincidence? Did Jesus not confirm the Sabbath in a prophecy, which was to take place forty years after His resurrection? God's people need to come back to the truth and start representing His Name where they live and come out of Babylon.

 

[Frogster]

Because he is going to unscriptural extremes to avoid the seventh day of creation, which was blessed, made holy and sanctified by God as part of creation itself. Did the death of Jesus make the seventh day unblessed and unholy now? Has that which God has created good now become something to avoid because of the cross? Is Jesus Lord of THE seventh day Sabbath or is there no seventh day Sabbath to be Lord of? Did almost the whole city come out on the Sabbath to hear the word of God just by coincidence? Did Jesus not confirm the Sabbath in a prophecy, which was to take place forty years after His resurrection? God's people need to come back to the truth and start representing His Name where they live and come out of Babylon.

do i get stoned for gathering sticks on it, like the guy in numbers 15, the law was one, numerous verse show that...do we keep sabby the right way, or do we select just what laws we want?

where does it say no stoning for the offense?

 

[maco]

do i get stoned for gathering sticks on it, like the guy in numbers 15, the law was one, numerous verse show that...do we keep sabby the right way, or do we select just what laws we want?

where does it say no stoning for the offense?

Here is the new covenant in action.

Notice how the Pharisees were drawing principles of (stoning) from the Old Covenant. Then notice how Jesus applies the grace of the New Covenant (no condemnation) but then also notice how Jesus says, "Go, and sin no more".

John 8:1-11 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear. So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”

If this broken woman were to sin again she would be face to face with this verse.

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.

Isn't God good? He is trying to make us like His Son without killing us.

 

[Albion]

do i get stoned for gathering sticks on it, like the guy in numbers 15, the law was one, numerous verse show that...do we keep sabby the right way, or do we select just what laws we want?

We keep all of them except for the ones that have been specifically set aside according to the New Testament. It's not as difficult a matter as some would have us believe.

 

[Elder 111]

Re: Rom 14, there's no reason to believe that there's any difference whatsoever in "Days".

But the simple fact is that the MAJORITY of the CHURCH gathers in their Buildings on Sunday, so obviously If you're going to get together with the CHURCH, you're going to have to go when they're there.

If you want to get together with the portion of the church that's has a "Sabbaterian Hangup", then show up on Saturday.

Here in the Dallas Area, the Cowboy Churches come together on Sunday AND Monday (for those who are busy in Sunday).

One day's as good as another.

CHurch

Did not God sanctify a day? So why ignore that which God blessed and sanctify fora day that used to worship Baal?
Note also that the bible christains always met on the Sabbath.

 

[Elder 111]

I'd love to see Elder 111's reason John suddenly calls the Sabbath the Lord's Day while everywhere else when he talks about the 7th day Sabbath he uses the word Sabbath.

I will like to see the reason John would call Sunday the Lord's day when it was always called the first day by him and everyone else.
Just in case you missed it God call the Sabbath "my holy day".