The Lord's day.

[Elder 111]

Well I think you also missed the point "The Lords Day" is explained at this Scripture below.


Revelation 20:4-6

New International Version (NIV)

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

That a very special day but we can see it's not a Sunday.

It is not a day. To sa that something is like something else is not saying that there are the same. A thousand years is a thousand years, not a day.

 

[Going Merry]

I chose option 3 because I dont think it matters even the slightest. And I dont know what he means by the Lords day. It could be referring to the end times when he comes. Who knows.

 

[spiritandtruth2]

It is not a day. To sa that something is like something else is not saying that there are the same. A thousand years is a thousand years, not a day.

To God Almighty one day is a Thousand Years, stop thinking like a Human, it's God's thoughts we are talking about.

Other examples

The word "day" can refer to different things, so it's good to start with the most basic meaning from which all others derive.

"Day" in its most basic sense means a period of time marked with a beginning and an end. Thus we can see the following usages all conform to this basic understanding.

Day - period of daylight (Genesis 1:5)
Day - 24 hour period
Day - Lifetime of an individual (in grandpa's "day" there were no airplanes)
Day - Every dog has its day (brief time at best but not 24 hours)

In the Genesis account there are at least 3 different uses of "day" to refer to various time periods.

Gen 1:5 - day refers to the daylight period
Gen 1:5 - day refers to the "creative" day
Gen 1:14 - luminaries divide "day" and night
Gen 1:19 - End of the 4th creative day
Gen 2:1-3 - 7th creative day begins
Gen 2:4 - entire creative process referred to as one "day"

The three meanings of "day" in the creation account can then be categorized as:

1) Period of time when daylight was seen
2) Creative time period
3) Entire creative process

At no time in the account do we see any reference to a 24-hour period since this only makes sense to human observers on the earth. The creative process must be viewed from God's perspective instead and no such limits exist when He is involved.

Of course Romans refers to God's "rest" of the 7th day continuing in Paul's day and God has not told us that it is yet over. Thus we must conclude that the creative days were at the very least several thousand years each.

For instance nothing in the Genesis account forces us to believe that the periods of time involved were 24 hours each.

Isaiah 55:8-9

New International Version (NIV)

8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”declares the Lord.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Hope this helps to get your mind on What "One Day" can mean.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Are you then saying that we can not know which day, if any, that God would have us to worship Him? That the bible is totally unclear about that?
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read rom 14;5. in his own mind, one guy does one day, another guy a different day...no big deal...

5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike.
Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind

Here is another rendering......

http://www.christianforums.com/t7364825/#post55237103
Romans chapter 14

[YLT]
Rom 14:5
One doth judge one day above another, and another doth judge every day alike; let each in his own mind be fully assured.


ISA TR] 14:5 Who indeed are judging day beside day, who yet is judging every day.
Each in the own mind, let be fully-persuaded/convinced!/plhroforeisqw <4135> (5744)

Textus Rec.) Romans 14:5 oV men krinei hmeran par hmeran oV de krinei pasan hmeran ekastoV en tw idiw noi plhroforeisqw

Strong's Number G4135 matches the Greek &#960;&#955;&#951;&#961;&#959;&#966;&#959;&#961;&#8051;&#969; (pl&#275;rophore&#333;), which occurs 6 times in 5 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

4135. plerophoreo from 4134 and 5409; to carry out fully (in evidence), i.e. completely assure (or convince), entirely accomplish:--most surely believe, fully know (persuade), make full proof of.
4134. pleres play'-race from 4130; replete, or covered over; by analogy, complete:--full.
5409. phoreo for-eh'-o from 5411; to have a burden, i.e. (by analogy) to wear as clothing or a constant accompaniment:--bear, wear.

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[By Faith Alone]

In the Spirit ON the Lord's day.

The day of the Lord is his vengeance. John was taken to a time beyond our present. The things he saw were before that time which he was in at that point and also future events from his point in time. ALL...still in our future.
By that same Spirit he ...CAME TO BE...on the Aisle of Patmos.

The key to understanding Revelation is in that very passage we discuss.

Ezek 11:1 Moreover the spirit lifted me up, and brought me unto the east gate of the Lord's house,

Ezek 11:24 Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me.


IN...the aisle of Patmos uses..EN. So does ON (en)...the Lord's day. It is an erroneous rendering when we know John was carried by the Spirit into the future..

 

[Steve Petersen]

Isaiah 58: “If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the Lord’s holy day honorable,
and if you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
14 then you will find your joy in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

 

[By Faith Alone]

I chose option 3 because I dont think it matters even the slightest. And I dont know what he means by the Lords day. It could be referring to the end times when he comes. Who knows.

If that is how you see it that is fine. But there are absolutely no non-essentials in Scriptures.

 

[Frogster]

Here is another rendering......

http://www.christianforums.com/t7364825/#post55237103
Romans chapter 14

[YLT]
Rom 14:5
One doth judge one day above another, and another doth judge every day alike; let each in his own mind be fully assured.


ISA TR] 14:5 Who indeed are judging day beside day, who yet is judging every day.
Each in the own mind, let be fully-persuaded/convinced!/plhroforeisqw <4135> (5744)

Textus Rec.) Romans 14:5 oV men krinei hmeran par hmeran oV de krinei pasan hmeran ekastoV en tw idiw noi plhroforeisqw

Strong's Number G4135 matches the Greek &#960;&#955;&#951;&#961;&#959;&#966;&#959;&#961;&#8051;&#969; (pl&#275;rophore&#333;), which occurs 6 times in 5 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

4135. plerophoreo from 4134 and 5409; to carry out fully (in evidence), i.e. completely assure (or convince), entirely accomplish:--most surely believe, fully know (persuade), make full proof of.
4134. pleres play'-race from 4130; replete, or covered over; by analogy, complete:--full.
5409. phoreo for-eh'-o from 5411; to have a burden, i.e. (by analogy) to wear as clothing or a constant accompaniment:--bear, wear.

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[Frogster]

Isaiah 58: “If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the Lord’s holy day honorable,
and if you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
14 then you will find your joy in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

old cov, and given not to gentiles, we are now the church...the church....

 

[By Faith Alone]

Isaiah 58: “If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the Lord’s holy day honorable,
and if you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
14 then you will find your joy in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a ...shadow... of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[Frogster]

the rest is not confined to one speacial day, it is an eternal priesthood, we have access all the time now, behind the curtain. ENTER THE REST, IS NOT RESTRICTED TO ONE DAY!


HEB 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

&#8220;As I swore in my wrath,
&#8216;They shall not enter my rest,&#8217;&#8221;

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.


ANOTHER DAY....TWASN'T THE SABBY...LATER ON...IT WAS NOT THE SABBY.

4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

 

[Frogster]

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a ...shadow... of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Steve Petersen

Isaiah 58: &#8220;If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath

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Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a ...shadow... of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

New moon..........

http://www.christianforums.com/t7574941-7/#post57957555
Sabbath Day

Originally Posted by from scratch

Saturday is commonly observed as the sabbath which is nothing more than a tradition of man. The biblical sabbath rarely is Saturday. The sabbath is determined by the new moon and not the Gregerian calendar. So the first thing you have to get right is the day. Otherwise you'renot keeping the sabbath.
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Originally Posted by Stryder06

So you've bought into that doctrine as well?
You do realize the new moon doesn't come every seven days right? You do also realize that the sabbath is recognized from sundown to sunrise right? How does that work if you're tracking the moon?
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Originally Posted by from scratch

Why yes sir I realize it doesn't fit your mechanical seven day schedule. The biblical sabbath is always the 7th day after the new moon.
And Isreal was on a new moon calendar to which the law is based concerning the sabbath. No getting around that.
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Interesting.
The only time that term is used in the NT/NC is in Coloss 2:16, so I decided to look at wiki and noticed how other various religions view it. Pretty fascinating!

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3561 matches the Greek &#957;&#949;&#959;&#956;&#951;&#957;&#8055;&#945; (neom&#275;nia), which occurs 1 time in 1 verse in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Young) Colossians 2:16 Let no one then judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon/noumhniaV <3561> or of sabbaths,

3561. noumenia noo-may-nee'-ah feminine of a compound of 3501 and 3376 (as noun by implication, of 2250); the festival of new moon:--new moon.
3501. neos neh'-os including the comparative neoteros neh-o'-ter-os; a primary word; "new", i.e. (of persons) youthful, or (of things) fresh; figuratively, regenerate:--new, young.
3376. men mane a primary word; a month:--month.

Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1

The Camp--The Court--The Tabernacle--The Brazen Altar--The Laver-- The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--The Mercy Seat and Ark--The Gate--The First Veil--The Second Veil--The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Frogster:

The 1,000 year reign:

Heb 4:8-10
8 For if Jesus (JOSHUA) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

The book of Revelation is Hebrew in character and so is the book of Hebrews.
Our calling is to the Heaven far above all. The 1,000 year reign will have the overcomers and martyrs reigning with Him for that period. That does not mean we limit His total reign to a 1,000 years by any means.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Frogster:

The 1,000 year reign:

Heb 4:8-10
8 For if Jesus (JOSHUA) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

The book of Revelation is Hebrew in character and so is the book of Hebrews.
Our calling is to the Heaven far above all. The 1,000 year reign will have the overcomers and martyrs reigning with Him for that period. That does not mean we limit His total reign to a 1,000 years by any means.

That was brought up on this other "Lord's Day" thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7475520/#post64377196
The Lord's Day

Originally Posted by spiritandtruth2

The Lords Day has nothing to do with Sunday Read Revelation 20:1-3

2 Peter 3:8

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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Used only in Revelation and 2 Peter 3 of the New Testament:


NKJV Search Results for "thousand" AND "years"
"thousand" AND "years"
occurs in 13 verses in the NKJV.

Last time used:

Rev 20:7
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison

http://www.christianforums.com/t4306995/
What is the purpose of the 1000 year Millenium Revelation?

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[Frogster]

Frogster:

The 1,000 year reign:

Heb 4:8-10
8 For if Jesus (JOSHUA) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

The book of Revelation is Hebrew in character and so is the book of Hebrews.
Our calling is to the Heaven far above all. The 1,000 year reign will have the overcomers and martyrs reigning with Him for that period. That does not mean we limit His total reign to a 1,000 years by any means.

I didn't say we did limit, but we have entered that rest now, and in the future.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I didn't say we did limit, but we have entered that rest now, and in the future.

There are actually a few greek words used for "rest" in the NT/NC of the Bible..........

http://www.christianforums.com/t7507793-2/#post55957506
No rest for the wicked

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
JESUS AND PAUL VS THE RESTLESS PHARISEES

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?
Strongs=G2673&t=KJV
Strong's Number G2663 matches the Greek &#954;&#945;&#964;&#8049;&#960;&#945;&#965;&#963;&#953;&#962; (kata-pausis), which occurs 9 times in 8 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Hebrews 4:3
For we are entering into the Rest/kata-pausin <2663>, the ones-believing. According to as He declared, 'As I have sware in My wrath, if they shall be entering into the Rest/kata-pausin <2663> of Me' and-those the works from down-casting of world being become. [Psalm 95:11]

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?
Strongs=G372&t=KJV
Strong's Number G372 matches the Greek &#7936;&#957;&#8049;&#960;&#945;&#965;&#963;&#953;&#962; (ana-pausis), which occurs 5 times in 5 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.
And not they are having Rest/ana-pausin <372> day and night............. [Matt 11:29/Hebrew 4:3]

3973. pauo a primary verb ("pause"); to stop (transitively or intransitively), i.e. restrain, quit, desist, come to an end:--cease, leave, refrain.

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[Elder 111]

The day of the Lord is his vengeance. John was taken to a time beyond our present. The things he saw were before that time which he was in at that point and also future events from his point in time. ALL...still in our future.
By that same Spirit he ...CAME TO BE...on the Aisle of Patmos.

The key to understanding Revelation is in that very passage we discuss.

Ezek 11:1 Moreover the spirit lifted me up, and brought me unto the east gate of the Lord's house,

Ezek 11:24 Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me.


IN...the aisle of Patmos uses..EN. So does ON (en)...the Lord's day. It is an erroneous rendering when we know John was carried by the Spirit into the future..

Your support text suggest a movement from place to place not in time.
There are many passages in scripture in which the writers are shown the future without saying that there were there. Why would John say that he was there instead of simply saying he was in vision? He could not be in the future, but could be shown the future.

 

[HolyGuardianAngels]

There is biblical evidence that Sunday is a Holy Day

 

[By Faith Alone]

If God could transport from place to place and exercise the senses to see a vision ...He certainly could transport to the future. I believe there is a...POSSIBILITY...John was temporarily given a new body to make the trip.

I also believe Paul was relating the experience that John had and not that Paul was taken to the third heaven in...TIME. John is the only one in Scriptures as having this experience.

The fact does remain that the "Lord's day" is not Sunday. Just another way of saying the "Day of the Lord".