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Dem says Immigration reform looks "dead"
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Apparently anything other than the MachZer0 'gift basket' cartoon is unrealistic.
More border security? Oh, it will cost too much. But what about the cost of providing all these people citizenship? What about the cost of unfettered flow of drugs and mexican criminal gangs? What about the cost of terrorists just traipsing across the border to set up shop here? That's the real cost I'm afraid of.
Yes, increased border security will be expensive (maybe a tenth of what obamacare will cost us). I suggest we offset the cost by augmenting the border patrol with the US military. The Army can provide soldiers to patrol, the Air Force can provide recon aircraft.
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Afraid that idea has already been shot down.
Consider: Certain conservatives who shall remain nameless have taken the immigration battle into their own hands and tried to make being an illegal immigrant a violation of state law.
Alas, the Posse Comitatus Act makes it illegal for the army to be used to enforce state laws. Sure, you still have the National Guard in each state, so that's better than nothing -- assuming there's no need for them elsewhere...
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Ok, let's amend Posse Commitatus to allow for enforcement of our borders as a national security requirement.
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People might as well realize that the current situation--cheap labor--is billions of dollars in the pockets of the plutocrats that run this country.
There will never be any immigration reform that reduces undocumented labor. The plutocrats are making billions of dollars on undocumented labor, so it's never going away.
There will never be any immigration reform that reduces undocumented labor. The plutocrats are making billions of dollars on undocumented labor, so it's never going away.
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That does create a conundrum. If illegal aliens become legal, they will have to be paid legal wages with all the income taxes and payroll taxes withheld, meaning they will no longer be desirable to those employers who hire illegal aliens. That creates a market for newer workers who will be a new generation of illegal aliens who will some day be marching in the streets demanding amnesty
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Ok, let's amend Posse Commitatus to allow for enforcement of our borders as a national security requirement.
Why? It still costs taxpayer dollars the tea drinkers don't want us to spend. Amnesty was good enough for the great republican President Reagan, why is it a bad thing now?
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MachZer0
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It's bad now because we are painfully aware of the Democrat deception. Reagan agreed to the amnesty on the condition that immigration would be tightly enforced subsequently. Said enforcement never materialized. We now know, Democrats in Washington having not changed their deceptive spots, that with another amnesty and promised border enforcement that no such enforcement will occur Fool me once...
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Forget about Posse Comitatus. Just put a few divisions on the border for live-fire training exercises. The security in place to keep civilians away will be sufficient. That's an executive order I could live with.
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Typical - blame the other guy, republican style. When will republicans like you take responsibility for anything?
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Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it
Nice non answer. I guess Reagan was a bigger idiot than we had previously imagined.
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Then by all means, let's sweep the army into those border towns to root out them there illegals. I'm sure that'll go over swimmingly in states like Texas and Arizona -- you know, having federal troops on their lands, patrolling their streets, searching their homes...
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