Name a doctrine that you used to believe in but dont anymore.

[sonshine234]

God is Spirit.. And those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Do you believe this?

Deflecting. Is Christ fully God and fully Man yes or no?

 

[Tzaousios]

Some keep trying to point things out but cannot even answer questions given to them. Do you believe what John tells us that we have no need of man to teach us but that the annointing in us teaches us?

I answered it. Did you miss it? Of course, John declares that the Spirit is there to aid us in interpretation. Nevertheless, it he does not declare that it means the Spirit automatically gives us God's interpretation like a Divine Pez Dispenser, or that he gives us the justification to conflate interpretation with "what the Bible plainly says."

 

[Knee V]

Like I said, according to the purposes of internet Neocalvinist apologists, sure. However, the linguistic distinction that you pooh-pooh is there for a reason.

When it comes to this particular discussion the question I would ask is: when Christ broke bread, what percentage of his action was God and what percentage was human? When Jesus walkes on water, what percentage was God and what percentage was human. 50/50, 60/40, 99/1, 99.999/0.001?

The answer is that all that Christ did was 100% God and 100% human. His humanity acting in synergy with His divinity didn't take away from the full reality of either one. And Christ is the embodiment of our salvation. Participating with God does not take away from the full reality of what God is doing in our lives. One cannot use human math equations to define our salvation, any more than we can use those same equations to define the Trinity. Participating with God does not take God's "share" down from 100%.

 

[Rick Otto]

Like I said, according to the purposes of internet Neocalvinist apologists, sure. However, the linguistic distinction that you pooh-pooh is there for a reason.

Not knowing what you mean by your pooh-poohing "the purposes of Neo-Calvinist apologists" aside, the liguistic distinction is of no more value than the glass being half full vs the glass being half empty. It is still a glass & there is water in it.
So despite all the lip service, ipso facto, truth remains.

 

[MamaZ]

There is that pesky practice of questioning a question with a question, again.



This dances around answering my question. Again, do you mean that the Holy Spirit delivers the correct, God-sent interpretation for you every single time that you read the Word?

No I didn't dance.. Yes He does and it depends on how much I have grown in Him if I need the milk of the word or if I need the meat of the word. Who interprets it for you may I ask?

 

[Tzaousios]

Not knowing what you mean by your pooh-poohing "the purposes of Neo-Calvinist apologists" aside, the liguistic distinction is of no more value than the glass being half full vs the glass being half empty. It is still a glass & there is water in it.
So despite all the lip service, ipso facto, truth remains.

If it is as you say, that one falls either on the side of the glass being half-empty or half-full, then it is not truth that remains, but opinion. Thanks for offering your opinion.

 

[MamaZ]

Deflecting. Is Christ fully God and fully Man yes or no?

I spoke truth. Can you not answer what I asked? I didn't say Christ was not a man. and he calls out deflecting

 

[sonshine234]

I spoke truth. Can you not answer what I asked? I didn't say Christ was not a man. and he calls out deflecting

Nor have you said Christ was fully man, you may think it's funny refusing to give an answer that determines if you're a believer or not I do not find it funny. You refuse to give a straight answer, if you don't believe that Christ is God and Man just say so stop beating around the bush.

 

[Tzaousios]

No I didn't dance.. Yes He does and it depends on how much I have grown in Him if I need the milk of the word or if I need the meat of the word. Who interprets it for you may I ask?

So now we have you, MamaZ, on record as declaring that the Holy Spirit delivers the direct, absolutely correct, God-given interpretation of Scripture every single time you read it.

If this is correct, how do you explain the discrepancy that arises when your interpretation differs from that of another with whom on most other matters it normally agrees?

 

[MamaZ]

I answered it. Did you miss it? Of course, John declares that the Spirit is there to aid us in interpretation. Nevertheless, it he does not declare that it means the Spirit automatically gives us God's interpretation like a Divine Pez Dispenser, or that he gives us the justification to conflate interpretation with "what the Bible plainly says."

Aid us? He empowers us.. He teaches us and conforts us. He dwells within us. Who better to teach us that God the Spirit?

 

[MamaZ]

Nor have you said Christ was fully man, you may think it's funny refusing to give an answer that determines if you're a believer or not I do not find it funny. You refuse to give a straight answer, if you don't believe that Christ is God and Man just say so stop beating around the bush.

First before you go any further you show me where I have ever claimed to no believe who Christ is.. I find it funny that you accuse while doing the same thing.. I Have given you this answer many times over and still you ask. Christ is and was the very word of God that became flesh and dwelt among us and His name is called emmanuel.. He came and showed us the Father for He came from the Father He is the very Son of God born of a woman died on a cross and rose from the dead.. He is my Savior and My Lord.. God the Father is Spirit. Now before one goes taking off on an accusation rant go and read what I said.. I came out of mormonism and I gave up and never truly believed what they preached.. But if you do not know what they teach then you will not understand.. So go cast blame and accusations somewhere else..

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

I understand. However, Eastern Orthodoxy operates within a historical framework that is outside of the Reformation of Western Europe. The Western Church really did not even get into anything close to it until Augustine had to ramp things up against the Pelagians.

Even then, Arminianism ≠ Pelagianism, and Augustinianism ≠ Calvinism, despite however much internet Neocalvinist apologists want to grandfather him in as one and the same.

It saddens me that you seem to have changed, or am I misunderstanding something here.

 

[MamaZ]

So now we have you, MamaZ, on record as declaring that the Holy Spirit delivers the direct, absolutely correct, God-given interpretation of Scripture every single time you read it.

If this is correct, how do you explain the discrepancy that arises when your interpretation differs from that of another with whom on most other matters it normally agrees?

I really don't care what others interpret.. For my relationship is with My father and not with what other men say the scripture says.. This is why God has taken the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.. I trust my Father to teach me all I want to know about His truth. Men I do not trust. Even Christ did not trust man. For man is not the head of me. Christ is my head.. He is my Lord.. Only in marriage is a husband head over the wife ect ect. As far as my relationship with the Father, one one intercessor for me.. Christ..

 

[yogosans14]

First before you go any further you show me where I have ever claimed to no believe who Christ is.. I find it funny that you accuse while doing the same thing.. I Have given you this answer many times over and still you ask. Christ is and was the very word of God that became flesh and dwelt among us and His name is called emmanuel.. He came and showed us the Father for He came from the Father He is the very Son of God born of a woman died on a cross and rose from the dead.. He is my Savior and My Lord.. God the Father is Spirit. Now before one goes taking off on an accusation rant go and read what I said.. I came out of mormonism and I gave up and never truly believed what they preached.. But if you do not know what they teach then you will not understand.. So go cast blame and accusations somewhere else..

So do you believe that there is 1 God existing in 3 co eternal persons:Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

 

[Tzaousios]

I really don't care what others interpret..

Again, you danced around the question. If the Holy Spirit delivers God's own interpretation to you EVERY TIME you read the Bible, what happens when your interpretation differs from that of another with whom on most other matters it normally agrees?

 

[Tzaousios]

It saddens me that you seem to have changed, or am I misunderstanding something here.

I'm sorry. In what ways?

 

[sonshine234]

First before you go any further you show me where I have ever claimed to no believe who Christ is.. I find it funny that you accuse while doing the same thing.. I Have given you this answer many times over and still you ask. Christ is and was the very word of God that became flesh and dwelt among us and His name is called emmanuel.. He came and showed us the Father for He came from the Father He is the very Son of God born of a woman died on a cross and rose from the dead.. He is my Savior and My Lord.. God the Father is Spirit. Now before one goes taking off on an accusation rant go and read what I said.. I came out of mormonism and I gave up and never truly believed what they preached.. But if you do not know what they teach then you will not understand.. So go cast blame and accusations somewhere else..

That's nice but you still have not answered. I don't want a paragraph that bloviates and frankly I could care less where you came from, one word yes or no.

Do you believe that Christ was and is fully God and Fully Man? Yes or no. Surely you can post a simple yes or no

 

[MamaZ]

So do you believe that there is 1 God existing in 3 co eternal persons:Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

Oh Yes I do.. Father , Son, Holy Spirit.. And I testify to this every time I am asked..But I do not believe what the mormons teach.. I was drawn to Christ by the Father and born again and sealed with the Holy Spirit...

 

[MamaZ]

That's nice but you still have not answered. I don't want a paragraph that bloviates and frankly I could care less where you came from, one word yes or no.

Do you believe that Christ was and is fully God and Fully Man? Yes or no. Surely you can post a simple yes or no

I have.. Now please go away if you have nothing better to do than pester me with things you know nothing about.

 

[Rick Otto]

Yes, I know the feeling very well. Also the frustration!

There was an interesting collection of articles published by SVS Press a few years ago on the Orthodox reception of Augustine:

On Google Books

Looks good. Nice reviews.