Name a doctrine that you used to believe in but dont anymore.

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Calvin certainly did "toast" him. Was that a reflection of the gospel of Christ? Not even close.

I see history is not your favorite subject, it's not mine either, but I know enough behind the event, to know that such mockery, comes from ignorance of the historical facts and of the time period.

 

[bornofGod888]

On what basis do you make the bold claim that John Calvin was a heretic? I do hope you understand what Orthodoxy means, and have an idea of the historical theology traced in John Gill's book "The Cause of God and Truth".

Let me put it to you this way...

Personally, I wouldn't "tiptoe through his T.U.L.I.P.'s". No, instead, I'd hack ever single point of the same to pieces with a machete!

Okay...okay...I'd hack ever single point with "the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God".

IOW, I don't believe that even one of his "five points" hold up to the scrutiny of scripture. In fact, I know that they don't.

Btw, did you just mention "orthodoxy"?

Whose "orthodoxy"?

"Orthodoxy" is a dime a dozen...and even cheaper on ebay and Amazon...

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

"To kill a man is not to defend a doctrine, but to kill a man." - Michael Servetus

According to how you believe, which is greater, the killing of one man, or the effect of what preachers like Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart had on multitudes of people? Is the soul not more valuable than the body?

By Pentecostal standards, countless souls fell away from the faith, many others stumbled on account of those within the realm of your own denomination.

 

[rockytopva]

John Calvin is a Sardisean church age preacher... Doctrine in the head, little in the heart... Except a ton of ego. How so much ego could exist in such a little man I will never know.

 

[Pteriax]

That is overly simplistic and inaccurate. I know that when one is Reformed, other non-Reformed points of view don't make any sense. But I can assure you that the Reformed caricatures of non-Reformed points of view seldom have any truth to them.

Your assurances ring false to me. I'm not just parroting some stuff I heard in a sermon once.

I understand. However, Eastern Orthodoxy operates within a historical framework that is outside of the Reformation of Western Europe. The Western Church really did not even get into anything close to it until Augustine had to ramp things up against the Pelagians.

Even then, Arminianism ≠ Pelagianism, and Augustinianism ≠ Calvinism, despite however much internet Neocalvinist apologists want to grandfather him in as one and the same.

Not sure why you address me with this as it appears unrelated to anything I have stated.

 

[Pteriax]

You believe in one God and that Jesus rose from the dead. So how are you different from the Mormons?

Mormons don't believe in one god.

 

[rockytopva]

According to how you believe, which is greater, the killing of one man, or the effect of what preachers like Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart had on multitudes of people? Is the soul not more valuable than the body?

I normally promote the John Wesley Methodism... In which I have posted a lot of material here.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7757196/

John Wesley Methodism took on the form of Pentecostal Holiness here in Virginia in the early 1900's. Our worship is nearly identical to the Methodist church of the early 1800's.

 

[bornofGod888]

John Calvin is a Sardisean church age preacher... Doctrine in the head, little in the heart... Except a ton of ego. How so much ego could exist in such a little man I will never know.

Didn't you mean to say, "Except a ton of ego AND MURDER!"?

 

[Tzaousios]

Not sure why you address me with this as it appears unrelated to anything I have stated.

Because, with your continued cryptic responses to me, it appears that you attempted to lump Eastern Orthodoxy, and probably Roman Catholicism, in with "Arminianism." That might be convenient for apologetical purposes, but it pays no attention to history. That's why.

 

[rockytopva]

Didn't you mean to say, "Except a ton of ego AND MURDER!"?

I stand corrected... Thanks.

 

[Knee V]

Let me put it to you this way...

Personally, I wouldn't "tiptoe through his T.U.L.I.P.'s". No, instead, I'd hack ever single point of the same to pieces with a machete!

Okay...okay...I'd hack ever single point with "the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God".

IOW, I don't believe that even one of his "five points" hold up to the scrutiny of scripture. In fact, I know that they don't.

Btw, did you just mention "orthodoxy"?

Whose "orthodoxy"?

"Orthodoxy" is a dime a dozen...and even cheaper on ebay and Amazon...

Not as much as you might like to believe. A few groups making the same basic claim doesn't mean that a true orthodoxy doesn't exist. If that were the case, then we could apply that same logic and say that there is no true Christ because of all the false ones. That is obviously not true.

 

[seashale76]

Mine would be that jesus is micheal the archangel and that hell doesnt exist.

Name one that you have thought was biblical but found out it was heretical?

This is the one that started the ball rolling for me.

And I quote: 'The initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues.'

 

[Knee V]

According to how you believe, which is greater, the killing of one man, or the effect of what preachers like Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart had on multitudes of people? Is the soul not more valuable than the body?

By Pentecostal standards, countless souls fell away from the faith, many others stumbled on account of those within the realm of your own denomination.

Both are horrible, but we must still avoid killing. One set of wrongs doesn't offset another wrong.

 

[Knee V]

Mormons don't believe in one god.

Silly me.

 

[bornofGod888]

Not as much as you might like to believe. A few groups making the same basic claim doesn't mean that a true orthodoxy doesn't exist. If that were the case, then we could apply that same logic and say that there is no true Christ because of all the false ones. That is obviously not true.

"Orthodox" basically means "conforming to established doctrine" and I have no problem with that definition but my point was "whose established doctrine" and from whence was it established? For me, the scriptures are the source of "true orthodoxy" and not the opinions of men, no matter how popular or accepted they may be.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

I normally promote the John Wesley Methodism... In which I have posted a lot of material here.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7757196/

John Wesley Methodism took on the form of Pentecostal Holiness here in Virginia in the early 1900's. Our worship is nearly identical to the Methodist church of the early 1800's.

I never hear Methodists mention their other founders, like George Whitefield, I wonder why?

 

[bornofGod888]

Both are horrible, but we must still avoid killing. One set of wrongs doesn't offset another wrong.

Amen.

 

[Tzaousios]

For me, the scriptures are the source of "true orthodoxy" and not the opinions of men, no matter how popular or accepted they may be.

What is the difference between interpretation/exegesis, opinions of men, and Scripture as the source? Also, how do you distinguish between them?

 

[rockytopva]

I never hear Methodists mention their other founders, like George Whitefield, I wonder why?

In which you know the reason for that... George Whitefield turned Calvinist.

 

[Pteriax]

No you have not. I must assume your answer is no since you refuse to give a yes or no answer

Uh, she said yes like six times.....