Gxg (G²);63595462 said:
I agree..
That would be something worth considering, IMHO - for it makes zero logical sense when claiming the forum itself is a Torah Observant MJ Forum and welcoming of Messianic Jews of diversity - and yet those Messianic Jews/Messianic Gentiles who come end up being told they're not Messianic Jewish in lifestyle or Messianic Jewish in observance of Torah because of not agreeing to their views which are really ONE representation of the movement. It gets problematic when people claim a forum is for Torah Observant Messianic Judaism - and then those who are with mainstream/traditional Messianic Judaism (i.e. MJAA, UMJC, even Noahides, Ariel Ministries with Dr. Arnold, etc.)/passionate on observing God's Torah are told they're not "Torah Observant" for noting plainly what's IN the Torah when it comes to the traditional stance of MJism in noting distinctions/specific commands - and other things present as well.
The same applies for Messianics working in Churches as the mainstream has for the Jews who see Torah Observance/Scriptural history reflected in the Church (as originally seen by Messianic Jews in the early Messianic Jewish movement from the 1st Century) - all seeking the Lord/being obedient - and yet having room allowed for other Messianics to harrass them when claiming "They're not Messianic or Torah Observant!!!" while the same ones saying that claim they are (as Messianic Gentiles) harassed because the mainstream does not agree with them.
There've long been differing views of what it means to be "Torah Observant" - so as long as people don't respect that and assume one doesn't observe because language of expression differs from them in their preference, you'll have problems. Someone saying "The Law of Moses isn't the main reason for why we serve Christ" - based on II Corinthians 3-4 where Paul speaks about the purpose of the Law and noting how it has changed - isn't saying that the Law of Moses has no purpose/nothing it in applies - but someone from one of the newer groups (tending to be Messianic Gentiles) runs in claiming others feel 'Torah is done away with!!!! It's not for Gentiles!!!!".....and then accusations start. The same thing goes for noting with integrity what the Torah says at specific points when the Lord noted what was commanded of the Hebrews - and what was commanded of the Gentiles, as well as what the Gentiles could join into (outside of Gentiles like Ruth becoming a part of the people) - and it gets assumed people are saying Gentiles have no part in MJism or that Gentiles wishing to identify with Israel/see that Torah was for the nations is somehow exiled from Torah observance.
Just speaking for myself, which at present would fall under Noachide. There IMO, should be no noachide subset itself. Noachides are not a movement in and of themselves. We are always within a subset when it comes to MJ.
We co mingle (fellowship, worship) within it. There are of course, subsets which they would not be found, as they would not exist in those subsets. So I guess, as such an individual, I am not even suggesting anything for myself as a specific group here. I would always fall under the Sop, of the subset I choose to dialogue within. My motive here is simple standards of fairness, As well as a true representation of Messianic Judaism itself. The bottom line is really to stop the arguing, through those two things (fairness, and true representation).
There are alot of things that can be discussed freely here by all within the Messianic spectrum. Without all the fighting being created here. Created here because the format does not agree with Messianic Judaism as it truly is.
What I have suggested will also accomplish another issue. Those unfamiliar with MJISM, will be able to become familiar with what it truly is.....
Right now, alot is being said about ignorance of the movement, therefore only one or two people running the show. But the format here does not aid in a true experience of what Mjism is, in reality. Let those desiring to know what it is, actually experience what it is. That is not to much to ask is it?
Shouldn't a Christian forum be firstly concerned with fairness (justice in judgment)? How can they be just in their judgment upon which group is being treated in a righteous manner, when they do not know about these things?
Let people come here and actually experience Messianic Judaism as it is,,,, is all I ask. It can and will stop much of the strife. Each group having their own subset is what is truly found within Messianic Judaism.
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