Confused about the commandment that was "abolished." (2)

[TruthWarrior]

festivals were the law.

Festivals were not written in stone, but the 10 commandments were. They are eternal.

 

[Frogster]

Very bad theology. Jesus came to remove the curse by keeping God's law perfectly and dying for our sins. But I challenge you and anybody else to quote one single verse from Paul where he says that Christians are free to break the 10 commandments.

we do not want to be in the flesh, we know that, but why does the law arouse sin, why is the law the power of sin?


u never reute those verses

 

[Frogster]

Festivals were not written in stone, but the 10 commandments were. They are eternal.

was the law one legal code, and did it say..keep..ALL...ALL..ALL, or just ones selected for convenience?

 

[Frogster]

Festivals were not written in stone, but the 10 commandments were. They are eternal.

why are the food laws eternal, but not the festivals?:o

 

[tzadik]

but he differentiated, and said moses in luke 24!

did he just say the psalms?

"...in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
He is telling them that everything in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled, this is why I'm doing what I'm doing. He cannot be the Messiah unless He does what the Scriptures have written about Him.

This isn't a "single out the Law" matter. He was referring to the entire Tanakh (of if you want to be specific, the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms)*

Now are you telling me that He has fulfilled everything about Himself, in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms during His first coming????

 

[MoreCoffee]

Revelation 22:14 gives you the answer.

Do you believe that being obedient to the ten commandments washes your robes and gives you the right to enter the city of God through the gates?

 

[Clare73]

Incorrect... "in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

Yes, that is what he is saying here,

but that is not the topic of the OP or this discussion.

We are discussing the Mosaic Law on which the Mosaic Covenant was based, we are not discussing all of Scripture.

Fulfilling all of Scripture is not relevant here, only fulfilling the Mosaic Law on which the Mosaic Covenant was based is relevant here.

Stay on topic.

 

[Frogster]

A. this New Covenant you speak of in Jeremiah 31 has yet to be accomplished. (Unless you can show me where the two houses have been restored, Israel has been re-gathered from the nations where they were scattered, EVERYONE who is part of the New covenant knows the Lord and there is no longer a need for witnessing and teaching our neighbors about the Lord. Not to mention God rebuilding the city from the Tower of Hanalel to the corner gate)

B. The subject of Acts 15 was false judaizers trying to enforce circumcision and obedience in order to obtain salvation (verse 1). The disciples agreed that they should give them 4 requirements (from the Torah ironically) that would make these Gentile believers make a radical break from their pagan lifestyles, because as verse 21 tells us, they would learn the rest of God's Instructions as they continue to gather with fellow believers.

C. There is not a single reference in the Scriptures that shows us that any believer (gentile or jew) breaking God's commandments or living a lifestyle of disobedience to the Law of God.

been there, the new cov has started, and gentiles are in it.

no torah for the church, been there, besides, it was past justification, they wanted them to live under law for their future. if they were snipped, would they just be jewish under law for one day?


gentiles obedient?

i posted that yesterday!


Rom 1:32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.


Acts 14:16 In past generations he allowed all the nations to walk in their own ways.



i posted over and over, israel was given the law, but gentiles still broke it anyway, all judged under law, rom 3;19.

paaaleeease stop making me repost!

 

[TruthWarrior]

why are the food laws eternal, but not the festivals?:o

Why were the 10 commandments written in stone?

 

[Frogster]

"...in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
He is telling them that everything in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled, this is why I'm doing what I'm doing. He cannot be the Messiah unless He does what the Scriptures have written about Him.

This isn't a "single out the Law" matter. He was referring to the entire Tanakh (of if you want to be specific, the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms)*

Now are you telling me that He has fulfilled everything about Himself, in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms during His first coming????

then why the differentiation between the things listed?

did he fulfill moses, yes or no?

 

[TruthWarrior]

Do you believe that being obedient to the ten commandments washes your robes and gives you the right to enter the city of God through the gates?

Obedient faith is what gets you into heaven.

 

[Frogster]

Why were the 10 commandments written in stone?

nice try, but u eternal the stones, and the food laws, while u omit the festivals, as not being eternal. why?

 

[Clare73]

But Hebrews 8:13 doesn't say that the 10 commandments were made obsolete.

Correct.

Heb 8:13 says what is obsolete is the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant, which was based on the Mosaic law that was set aside

(Heb 7:18-19), abolished (Eph 2:15) and replaced with the law of Christ, which is now the law of God (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2).

I doubt any honest Christian could stand up in the pulpit with a straight face and declare that the 10 commandments have been abolished.

Any Christian who knows Eph 2:15, 1Co 9:20 and Heb 7:18-19 in the NT could do exactly that,

because the Mosaic Law with its inherent curse has been replaced with the law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2)

which is the law of love (Gal 5:6, 14; Jas 2:8; Ro 13:8-10) with no curse.

There is an eternal difference between the law of Moses (Gal 3:10) and the law of Christ (Ro 13:8-10).

 

[MoreCoffee]

Why were the 10 commandments written in stone?

Is there a passage in the bible that explains why they were written in stone?

 

[Clare73]

It is the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant that is aging and disappearing (2,000 yrs. ago) in Heb 8:13,

and since the Levitical priesthood on which the Mosaic Law depended for administration no longer exists (Heb 7:11-12),

the Mosaic Law with its inherent curse (Gal 3:10) has also been set aside (Heb 7:18-19), abolished (Eph 2:15) and

replaced with the law of Christ (1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2), which is love (Gal 5:6, 14; Jas 2:8; Ro 13:8-10), with no curse.

This is Jesus' revelation of the last days (Heb 1:1-2), which is the NT.

Very bad theology.

Only when the NT becomes bad theology.

Jesus came to remove the curse by keeping God's law perfectly and dying for our sins.
But I challenge you and anybody else to
quote one single verse from Paul where he says that Christians are free to break the 10 commandments.

And I join you in that challenge.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Obedient faith is what gets you into heaven.

Can you explain what you mean by obedient faith?

How obedient does the faith need to be?

What if you fail to be obedient in every point but try to live as the Spirit leads and still have faith?

 

[Stryder06]

Well, that's verse 28. I wanted to know what your perspective on verse 27 is.

I don't think I know what it is you're looking for to be able to answer this differently. The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. Sabbath isn't to be a burden. It was created to be a day that man could enjoy.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I don't think I know what it is you're looking for to be able to answer this differently. The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. Sabbath isn't to be a burden. It was created to be a day that man could enjoy.

I am asking what the bold part is about, from your perspective.

 

[TruthWarrior]

nice try, but u eternal the stones, and the food laws, while u omit the festivals, as not being eternal. why?

Because a proper examination of the Bible reveals that there is a moral law and a ceremonial law. One was written on paper, the other was written on stone. Why?

 

[TruthWarrior]

Correct.

Heb 8:13 says what is obsolete is the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant, which was based on the Mosaic law that was set aside

(Heb 7:18-19), abolished (Eph 2:15) and replaced with the law of Christ, which is now the law of God (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2).


Any Christian who knows Eph 2:15, 1Co 9:20 and Heb 7:18-19 in the NT could do exactly that,

because the Mosaic Law with its inherent curse has been replaced with the law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2)

which is the law of love (Gal 5:6, 14; Jas 2:8; Ro 13:8-10) with no curse.

There is an eternal difference between the law of Moses (Gal 3:10) and the law of Christ (Ro 13:8-10).

Okay, so you're admitting that Christians can break the 10 commandments whenever they want? If your answer is no, then you are contradicting yourself.