Mar 22: they are at it again

[NumberOneSon]

At least for me, the thing that is being overlooked in this whole discussion is the issue of discernment.

It’s not like this is the first time some of the people on this thread have made bold predictions only to see them fizzle (I have a record of them). And in every instance, instead of taking a step back and reevaluating their method of discernment, they reappear months later to proclaim yet another bold, new prediction based on the same kinds of dates and numerical coincidences and divine insight that led them astray before.

So the question is, how many times do these posters have to be wrong before they realize that they may actually be the ones who aren’t “seeing” clearly, and that those of us who voice disagreement are showing a better level of discernment than they are? How many failed predictions or prophecies will it take before you realize that the “signs” you think God is showing aren’t coming from him?

It’s utterly maddening when some of you act as if the signs you’re “seeing” are divinely appointed, accuse us of blindness, but when your predictions don’t occur you get to shrug your shoulders and say “oh well, I just love God SO much, thank you Jesus…better luck next time” - only to have the cycle repeat again.

If God were the one pointing out the March 22 date to you, then the things you were “seeing” would have happened. But they didn’t, so it wasn’t. Therefore, the next time you guys want to hawk some new “sign” that can’t POSSIBLY be a coincidence, don’t bother telling us that we are “blind” or that we need to “wake up”; you don’t have the right to make those kinds of accusations until something you “see” actually comes to pass.

 

[PreachingChristCrucified]

At least for me, the thing that is being overlooked in this whole discussion is the issue of discernment.

It’s not like this is the first time some of the people on this thread have made bold predictions only to see them fizzle (I have a record of them). And in every instance, instead of taking a step back and reevaluating their method of discernment, they reappear months later to proclaim yet another bold, new prediction based on the same kinds of dates and numerical coincidences and divine insight that led them astray before.

So the question is, how many times do these posters have to be wrong before they realize that they may actually be the ones who aren’t “seeing” clearly, and that those of us who voice disagreement are showing a better level of discernment than they are? How many failed predictions or prophecies will it take before you realize that the “signs” you think God is showing aren’t coming from him?

It’s utterly maddening when some of you act as if the signs you’re “seeing” are divinely appointed, accuse us of blindness, but when your predictions don’t occur you get to shrug your shoulders and say “oh well, I just love God SO much, thank you Jesus…better luck next time” - only to have the cycle repeat again.

If God were the one pointing out the March 22 date to you, then the things you were “seeing” would have happened. But they didn’t, so it wasn’t. Therefore, the next time you guys want to hawk some new “sign” that can’t POSSIBLY be a coincidence, don’t bother telling us that we are “blind” or that we need to “wake up”; you don’t have the right to make those kinds of accusations until something you “see” actually comes to pass.

Amen brother, well said.

 

[Gnarwhal]

She's busy typing up her next thread about April 23.

Ha, 1 month + 1 day = April 23... it all makes sense!!!11one

At least for me, the thing that is being overlooked in this whole discussion is the issue of discernment.

It’s not like this is the first time some of the people on this thread have made bold predictions only to see them fizzle. And in every instance, instead of taking a step back and reevaluating their method of discernment, they reappear months later to proclaim yet another bold, new prediction based on the same kinds of dates and numerical coincidences and divine insight that led them astray before.

So the question is, how many times do these posters have to be wrong before they realize that they may actually be the ones who aren’t “seeing” clearly, and that those of us who voice disagreement are showing a better level of discernment than they are? How many failed predictions or prophecies will it take before you realize that the “signs” you think God is showing aren’t coming from him?

It’s utterly maddening when some of you act as if the signs you’re “seeing” are divinely appointed, accuse us of blindness, but when your predictions don’t occur you get to shrug your shoulders and say “oh well, I just love God SO much…better luck next time” - only to have the cycle repeat again.

If God were the one pointing out the March 22 date to you, then the things you were “seeing” would have happened. But they didn’t, so it wasn’t. Therefore, the next time you guys want to hawk some new “sign” that can’t POSSIBLY be a coincidence, don’t bother telling us that we are “blind” or that we need to “wake up”; you don’t have the right to make those kinds of accusations until something you “see” actually comes to pass.

You said it bro, I wish more of these conspiracy theorists would heed that.

I think the reason that most of them, especially people like Jen, won't heed your words is because they would have to deconstruct the entire wall that represents their faith. It would absolutely crumble because, like I've said before, the foundation of their faith is conspiracy theories, mysterious bible codes and date setting rather than Jesus Christ.

If they were to admit their failures and that they had been approaching their faith completely wrong, they would have to rebuild from the ground up.

My prayers are that they would heed the wisdom of posters like you, Crypto, Jipsah, eclipsenow and others on this forum that are wise enough to recognize junk theology and bold enough to call people out when they're buying and selling it.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Seriously... can anyone here state categorically that this is not their last day alive!

You could die tonight. Jesus came for you!

This has been stated many times on this thread. Why not deal with THAT possibility rather than trying to solve Scripture puzzles?

 

[Marantha]

Gah you beat me to the punch! I was going to say that the day's over half over (here on the west coast) and Jen AKA Bethwhite is conspicuously absent. Interesting that someone with 44 posts per day has suddenly gone dark when every one of those posts was about something that hasn't, and likely won't, come to pass.

Bethwhite..... before "they" get ahold of you to string you up and to "virtually" do as the Pharisees did to Christ, I just want to tell you that I thank you.

I do not agree with many things you put forth, but I know your heart is sincere.

As I have said before....I will listen to anyone who at least cares enough to TRY to share and help; over someone who sits silent and does not contribute.

I love the Freedom I have that Christ provided for me, so I love the proof of that freedom that I can see even in you putting forth your theories and opinions.

You were wrong, but you were wrong in love.

Good, Godly men have died all throughout history just to make it so.

God Speed Sister
Marantha

 

[Steve Petersen]

Bethwhite..... before "they" get ahold of you to string you up and to "virtually" do as the Pharisees did to Christ, I just want to tell you that I thank you.

Skeptics are now 'Pharisees' and you and Beth are now 'Jesus?'

 

[PreachingChristCrucified]

Bethwhite..... before "they" get ahold of you to string you up and to "virtually" do as the Pharisees did to Christ, I just want to tell you that I thank you.

I like how they throw out the false prophecies and yet we are the Pharisees and they Christ.

 

[PreachingChristCrucified]

Skeptics are now 'Pharisees' and you and Beth are now 'Jesus?'

That's exactly what I thought. They prophesy falsely and we are the Pharisees.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Bethwhite..... before "they" get ahold of you to string you up and to "virtually" do as the Pharisees did to Christ, I just want to tell you that I thank you.

I do not agree with many things you put forth, but I know your heart is sincere.

As I have said before....I will listen to anyone who at least cares enough to TRY to share and help; over someone who sits silent and does not contribute.

I love the Freedom I have that Christ provided for me, so I love the proof of that freedom that I can see even in you putting forth your theories and opinions.

You were wrong, but you were wrong in love.

Good, Godly men have died all throughout history just to make it so.

God Speed Sister
Marantha

Stop with the martyr complex.

Nobody's looking to string anybody up, but we did tell Jen that we would hope that she had the humility and the integrity to own up to mistakes. Of course, we expected less because she has a long track record of peddling garbage and then fleeing the moment reality disproves her.

The point that all of us are trying to make is that Eschatology isn't some sort of abstract field of theology that revolves around a crystal ball, but it's connected to other aspects of theology and thus should be approached with the same level of logic, reason and reverence as every other theological field whether it's soteriology, hamartiology, sacramental theology or something else.

How Jen peddles these "prophecies" of hers is no different than how Goldman Sachs or Lehman Brothers sold off their MBS years ago and killed the market. They knew they were selling worthless securities, but they did it anyway to save face and it ended ruining a lot of people.

 

[dfw69]

I like how they throw out the false prophecies and yet we are the Pharisees and they Christ.

That's not what he meant... It's attitude...I get it

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

The Fact that Jesus is coming still remains.When He is coming is where we have the debate. It is ok in my opinion to have differing points of view. But we don't have to be mean to each other.I believe in the pre trib/wrath rapture point of view, but I am ok if people believe otherwise. I just reserve the right to say I told you so when we all get raptured out of here. LOL! And I want an apology from all of the post tribbers and amills.

 

[Keachian]

The Fact that Jesus is coming still remains.When He is coming is where we have the debate. It is ok in my opinion to have differing points of view. But we don't have to be mean to each other.I believe in the pre trib/wrath rapture point of view, but I am ok if people believe otherwise. I just reserve the right to say I told you so when we all get raptured out of here. LOL! And I want an apology from all of the post tribbers and amills.

I still don't get the want to have an I told you so mentality, it just doesn't make sense. It would in my opinion be completely contrary to the nature which at that point in time we would be entering into the final phase of transformation into, to be concerned enough about beating a brother or sister in Christ at that point in time to be derogatory towards them is not reflecting the glory to which we are entering into, is not glorifying to Christ.

 

[Steve Petersen]

If these 'opinions' had really been sold as that, I might agree.

But Bethwhite and Marantha were selling the AoD on March 22 as a virtual certainty according to Scripture. Just peruse this thread a bit and you will see what I mean. They went WAY beyond 'opinion' here.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I still don't get the want to have an I told you so mentality, it just doesn't make sense. It would in my opinion be completely contrary to the nature which at that point in time we would be entering into the final phase of transformation into, to be concerned enough about beating a brother or sister in Christ at that point in time to be derogatory towards them is not reflecting the glory to which we are entering into, is not glorifying to Christ.

Man! Lighten up! Get a sense of humor please!

 

[ptomwebster]

The Fact that Jesus is coming still remains.When He is coming is where we have the debate. It is ok in my opinion to have differing points of view. But we don't have to be mean to each other.I believe in the pre trib/wrath rapture point of view, but I am ok if people believe otherwise. I just reserve the right to say I told you so when we all get raptured out of here. LOL! And I want an apology from all of the post tribbers and amills.

And when you find out you are wrong it will be too late, but it's your choice.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

If these 'opinions' had really been sold as that, I might agree.

But Bethwhite and Marantha were selling the AoD on March 22 as a virtual certainty according to Scripture. Just peruse this thread a bit and you will see what I mean. They went WAY beyond 'opinion' here.

But, they stimulated conversation. They caused people to think, to look, to agree, to disagree, to study. And you are going to miss their presence on this forum. Who wants to be on a forum where the conversation is dead and boring? I don't. Frankly I would say to both Bethwhite and Marantha that I appreciate your contributions. Just like I appreciate yours brother Steve Peterson. It takes all types to make the forum flavorful.We are all striving for the same end. Can't we learn from each other.We can all teach a little and learn a little. Let the Holy Spirit guide us. Exchange ideas! Eat the wheat, spit out the straw. It is simple. I have read this thread and you assume I have not.

 

[eclipsenow]

Seriously... can anyone here state categorically that this is not their last day alive!

You could die tonight. Jesus came for you!

This has been stated many times on this thread. Why not deal with THAT possibility rather than trying to solve Scripture puzzles?

EXACTLY!

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

And when you find out you are wrong it will be too late, but it's your choice.

Wrong about what? You don't believe Jesus is coming? OK! But I happen to believe the words Jesus left on record.

John
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[eclipsenow]

Woah! Check it out! Maybe they were right after all!? Time to eat some humble pie.

"Disaster in Israel - Millions flee!"
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"Impossible floods destroy Jerusalem!"
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"Israel wiped off the map — 2 Million refugees seek a new home!"
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Marantha and BethWhite?

 

[Marantha]

Woah! Check it out! Maybe they were right after all!? Time to eat some humble pie.

"Disaster in Israel - Millions flee!"
ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

"Impossible floods destroy Jerusalem!"
CNN.com International - Breaking, World, Business, Sports, Entertainment and Video News

"Israel wiped off the map — 2 Million refugees seek a new home!"
Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos





Marantha and BethWhite?

Ah, my old friend Eclipse to mock and gloat.

Welcome.

Anything else? It would probably be easier to get it all out in one stretch.

Praise be to God
Marantha