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Are Jack Chick tracts hate speech?

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Yeah that's just atrocious. I think Chick's in for some irony when he departs, not that he's destined for hell, but it's possible that many of the folks he believes won't be in paradise actually will be.
I agree 100% - although I admire their zeal and the reasons why they seek to do as they do. Proverbs 19:2 comes to mind immediately when it comes to discussing the need for zeal/knowledge together....
 
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Gxg (G²);62680996 said:
I agree 100% - although I admire their zeal and the reasons why they seek to do as they do. Proverbs 19:2 comes to mind immediately when it comes to discussing the need for zeal/knowledge together....

Is it zeal or militancy? Which begs the question is one better than the other..?
 
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Somebody goofed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUAn_dHMnbs


I just couldn't help it. It's a hilarious title. Going on...


I'm not a Fundamentalist, but Flight 144 seems legit because it presents a couple who does good works just to show it off rather than humbly accepting God and doing His will by spreading the gospel. Chick is trying to show a part of a Bible verse, where all the people did 'good work' by driving out spirits, helping the poor and such with Jesus' name but in the end, they did it for themselves and was banished away from God.

You can't go to Heaven with money, fame, power, or even just sheer 'good work.' Jesus told us that He's the only way to Heaven. That's what I believe. With this faith, I act, and that's where the famous Acts chapter gets its name; the disciples, witnesses, and apostles act according to their faith in Christ.


Some of Chick's comics make me laugh because they look like a parody of a parody. Of course, he doesn't intend it to be that way, and he's a serious artist so kudos.
 
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Is it zeal or militancy? Which begs the question is one better than the other..?
Well, the scripture in mind as it is:
Proverbs 19:2


It is not good to have zeal without knowledge —
nor to be hasty and miss the way!

From what I understand, militancy can be an aspect of zeal - although when militancy is confused to be the sole expression of true zeal...and I mean militancy in the sense of aggression toward anything disagreeing with oneself...then that can be problematic, IMHO, I've found myself having a lot of problems with that lately - as I do wonder if I'd be more so in the camp of a monastic/monk wanting to live a life of peace (like a Charles Xavier based on Martin Luther King/Fredrick Douglass)...or more so in the camp of someone who wants peace but is willing to be very aggressive about it/get it by any means necessary (like a Magneto/Malcolm X who at one point was willing to use violence to achieve things). Like soldiers and the Saints who were in that position - not wanting to use violence but being willing to do so if called to..and yet having regret on it.

Or if perhaps I'd want to be a militant pacifist -as others described King. Militancy was never something automatically divorced from the work done by Civil Rights leaders, as even Dr.King was described as a Militant Pacifist by others in his day and was well respected by other militants.

For King, it was about discovering which has more strength: fighting via violence self-defense or aggressive submission. And for anyone ever saying militant pacifists can never get anything accomplished, I simply say look at King..as he was willing to die for it to make a difference we live in today - and of course, for white militants trying to harm his life and that of his family, he made it a point to have a weapon in his earlier life.( more at Lesson 6 :: A Threat to Justice Anywhere: War" ( ).

Interestingly enough, both King and Malcom X had convergence in many of their views of militancy and peace/violence together - and IMHO, St.Moses the Black would be a good example from the past to bring to mind when it comes to militancy being beneficial - as the man could be violent if he needed to be - and yet it was used to make others changed. Everytime I look at what is happening in the Gang culture and the music scene, it reminds me of how the only way to get rid of pimps is to transform them into priests - turning thugs into theologians and gangsters into god-fearers...and one of the reasons why doing Urban ministry has had been a blessing when remembering St. Moses the African/Black, a 4th-century Ethiopian who went from being a thug and a gang leader to becoming a monk, a priest, and finally, a martyr. Even though Moses was committed to the monastic life, once when a band of robbers attacked the monastery, Moses fought them, overpowered them and dragged them to chapel where the other monks were in prayer. He told his brother monks that he did not think it Christian to hurt the robbers, but asked what they thought should do with them. The robbers repented, converted and joined the monastery....and if that's not a positive form of militancy in action - I don't know what is :)

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But I digress.

With militancy, if it is called for and necessary to match the aggression done in the culture, it may be good - but it must be done with wisdom. A person planning a battle strategy to deal with their enemies is not the same kind of militant as one who throws bombs into their own camp because they want to "root out the spies" in it - and think they were successful in "protecting" their own because they may've killed some enemies even though they damaged others in the process. Friendly Fire is never good.

On the same token, even for others wishing to use militancy, it can be misapplied if simpler/more practical approaches have not been used - such as conversation/dialouge . or even choosing to change the conversation in the use of terms so that both sides can understand one another rather than getting lost in translation. And with the life of a believer, that seems to be the same dynamic. So often we treat all people in the culture as if we're in the Matrix Triology - where those who don't agree with us are deemed to be "plugged in"/potential "agents of the system" whom we're allowed to kill...even though we claim we want to save them. '

And often we fail to be aggressive in approach when it comes to forcefully letting others not dismiss what God's Word said - but doing so by being forceful in prayer/persistence. Other times, we're not aggressive in choosing to love and listen to others - and we wonder why others don't want to listen to us....for we think they don't want truth when the truth is they don't like to feel like they're being talked to rather than talked with...and there's no respect given before we ask others to respect what we have to offer - I Peter 3:15-17 on sharing the GOSPEL being a big deal.

And many times, we end up harming one another because our zeal for truth is so greath that we fail to see if we really have accuracy in approach. If I may say, as one of my brothers in Christ (a former "Watchdog" blogger ) said best on the matter in his thread entitled The New Phariseeical Movement


pharisee1.jpg





There are many blogs, whose entire premise or existence is to police the doctrine of others. I am all for correct doctrine, and for the most part, I think I have a pretty good grasp on some points, but in other areas I am “Semper Reformanda” (or always reforming). I hold to a reformed and New Covenant (sort of) perspective and for the most part I think I am right; however, others do not and they, as I do, believe themselves to be correct. I think these things can be debated, but as I always say “the end goal is edification”. When it gets to the point where harsh words, strawman assumptions, and self-righteousness takes precedent of mutual edification, the line has officially been crossed and sin has begun to take root. The problem is that most can’t recognize that this type of Doctrinal Witch Hunt is SIN.


 
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"Hate speech" is a modern invention allowing the user to criminally prosecute anything at all that he finds highly offensive. Because it addresses an emotional attitude rather than a measurable act, it is about criminalizing people's ideas and words rather than their actions. It can and will be used against us, for taking stands against evils that the world would tell is are good.

If what you are saying is true, can anything be classified as hate speech?
 
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Somebody goofed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUAn_dHMnbs


I just couldn't help it. It's a hilarious title. Going on...


I'm not a Fundamentalist, but Flight 144 seems legit because it presents a couple who does good works just to show it off rather than humbly accepting God and doing His will by spreading the gospel. Chick is trying to show a part of a Bible verse, where all the people did 'good work' by driving out spirits, helping the poor and such with Jesus' name but in the end, they did it for themselves and was banished away from God.

You can't go to Heaven with money, fame, power, or even just sheer 'good work.' Jesus told us that He's the only way to Heaven. That's what I believe. With this faith, I act, and that's where the famous Acts chapter gets its name; the disciples, witnesses, and apostles act according to their faith in Christ.


Some of Chick's comics make me laugh because they look like a parody of a parody. Of course, he doesn't intend it to be that way, and he's a serious artist so kudos.

This is a funny and insightful review of Flight 144:
Chick Dissection | Flight 144 | Enter the Jabberwock
 
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If what you are saying is true, can anything be classified as hate speech?

I suppose it depends on whether you agree with the First Amendment of our Constitution or not.

It should be obvious that some kinds of speech must be forbidden, Constitution notwithstanding - shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater, for example. The question is whether good or evil principles and world views will ddominate in the determination of that. But as I said, using an emotional attitude - "hate" as the determiner is disastrous, and a certain tool in the evil times that are coming to persecute us.

Yes, Yoder, anything can be classified as "hate speech" if the people classifying it hate hearing it. The Christian teaching on sexual morality will be one of the early casualties, I think, as will the denouncing of abortion.
 
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It should be obvious that some kinds of speech must be forbidden, Constitution notwithstanding - shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater, for example. The question is whether good or evil principles and world views will ddominate in the determination of that. But as I said, using an emotional attitude - "hate" as the determiner is disastrous, and a certain tool in the evil times that are coming to persecute us.

Yes, Yoder, anything can be classified as "hate speech" if the people classifying it hate hearing it. The Christian teaching on sexual morality will be one of the early casualties, I think, as will the denouncing of abortion.
He asked if anything can be classified as "hate speech". That was the question I was answering, not whether someone should shout "movie" in a crowded firehouse. ;)
 
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I personally don't believe in that kind of censorship, especially in a public forum. the Black Panthers, KKK, Jack Chick crap tracts, etc have the right to be passed out and distributed. if you give folks the ability to pic and choose who gets to distribute in a public place, sooner or later that will come back to bite you.
 
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I personally don't believe in that kind of censorship, especially in a public forum. the Black Panthers, KKK, Jack Chick crap tracts, etc have the right to be passed out and distributed. if you give folks the ability to pic and choose who gets to distribute in a public place, sooner or later that will come back to bite you.

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