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Why so many denominations?

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I don't know if this question was ever asked and if this is even the most appropriate place to ask it.

Why are there so many denominations that seem to believe something from the Bible that in some instances contradicts the beliefs of one or more denominations with the beliefs of one or more other denominations?

1. Because God allows it.
2. Because "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" Matthew 7:22
3. Because many claim and many believe that they have experienced the new birth who either knowingly have not or unknowingly have not.

Why are there so many varieties of other religions? Not all Muslims agree. And there aree Hindus, Hare Krishnas, Sikhs, etc. Why are there so many religions?

Even on CF, the icon a person uses may not be genuine. One can claim to agree with the Nicene Creed while secretly disagreeing with it.
 
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DarylFawcett asked in the Opening Post : “I don't know if this question was ever asked and if this is even the most appropriate place to ask it.

Why are there so many denominations that seem to believe something from the Bible that in some instances contradicts the beliefs of one or more denominations with the beliefs of one or more other denominations?
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Though several individuals expressed reasons why they think that there are different denominations, I believe that many times the reasons are more complex and that there are often very benign reasons for equally honest-hearted individuals to believe in different Christian doctrines that have nothing to do with evil motives or simple confusion.


1) SIMPLE INHERITANCE OF RELIGIOUS THOUGHT

For example, a young child inherits a group of beliefs from it’s parents and is exposed to their first doctrines by their caregivers and the social group they are exposed to. The innocent young child’s relative and tentative acceptance of and belief in their parents teaching does not seem to represent any malignant or evil motive despite their native belief differing from their neighbors christianity.

As the young child grows into the young youth, the youth often possesses insufficient sophistication to manage the increasingly disparate doctrinal claims to which they become exposed. They may react to differing claims by clinging reflexively to their prior tradition or they might engage in a logical / spiritual journey towards the gradual coming to their OWN convictions upon specific points of doctrine. However, even upon entering into such a journey, they may still carry with them much of the tradition and bias and limitations we all have.

A christian often grows up with a fairly narrow and individual doctrinal framework by which they interpret not merely the scriptures, but by which they make sense of existence itself. Another christian presumably grows up with a different specific doctrinal framework through which they must then, interpret the data they are exposed to. (I have wondered what sort of christianity an unbiased and ignorant but honest young and "unbiased island native" would form if given a New Testament that he came to believe in and had to interpret without any outside influence. )


2) EXPOSURE TO DIFFERENT DATA
One is exposed to new data, whether is it in grade school math class; high school social studies, in Sunday school, or in a conversation with another person who’s views differ from our own. Once exposed to new doctrinal data, one then cannot help but make a choice as to what to do with the data.

Avoiding Change by Rejecting any new data : We can reject new information outright without sifting it for value. This is obviously a static and stagnating position that leaves one at a low level of knowledge and of understanding (if data is an important part of it's basis)

Sifting the new data : We can sift it for value and determine if there is any greater light , knowledge and understanding to be had from the new data we are exposed to. If the data is of poor quality, it may logically be rejected outright.

If the new data is better than current data, but is still consistent with current beliefs, this changes us by enhancing our current convictions and / or understanding of current beliefs.

If new data is better than prior data and differs with current beliefs, this still changes us by allowing us to either slightly or significantly changing current theological models of belief. If this new understanding is seen by the individual as an improvement over old beliefs, then there is no dissonance or frustration inside the individual, whereas their prior “same belief” companions may experience doctrinal discord with the individuals new belief. The type and amount of such discord seems often to vary based on the personalities involved as much as it does the differing beliefs themselves.



3) DIFFERING BASIC DATA SETS

The historical fact that data sets are different for different individuals at differing times in history when many denominations derive contributes to some of our differing beliefs.

For example : The time and place and other circumstances into which one is born will affect what Bible one grows up with, thus the biblical text differs for say, an early greek speaking Christian than it will for a later english speaking christian as examples such as the Johannine Comma show us. The ten commandments one reads are different for German Catholics in 1530 than for German Protestants. The major nuances are different even now if I read a text based on the Masoretic original than one based on the Septuagint. The text for the NIV is different pre-2007 than post 2007. Many of the biblical texts that made textual changes based on Dead Sea Scroll texts are now quite different in certain passages compared to old testaments not making use of such textual corrections. The early Christians who read Codex Alexandrinus based bibles will be reading a differing text than say, C. Vaticanus or C. Ephraimii (resq) or quite different if they grew up reading C. Bezae-based bibles as their personal new testament.

Though the specific textual differences will nuance doctrinal differences, these differences are often not due to some evil motive to change from some original textual based belief to another, but nuances based on textual differences seems completely logical to those who, throughout the centuries, used differing biblical texts.




4) AMOUNT AND TYPE OF DATA ONE IS EXPOSED TO
All of us had a certain level of knowledge and limited logic as small children. As one considers the first thoughts we remember having about God, our concepts were typically very simplistic and vague. IF we could even say the words, then “Jesus” and “keep his commandments” were the answers to most Sunday School questions when we were pre-schoolers. If I was a hindu or a muslim pre-schooler, the answers were different, but still, the data one was exposed to formed such pre-conceptions and importantly, as a young child, we had no specific and conscious and logical choice as to what data sets our culture would instill within us.

Our current and vastly varying levels of data types; knowledge levels; and interpretive frameworks are so often based on a lifetime of varying individuals characteristics, intellectual abilities, and exposure to data sets which vary. Such things are complicated and generalizing them is like being asked to describe growing up “in 20 words or less”. Any such answer will be an insufficient gloss over.




5) THE LOGIC AND FRAMEWORK OF INTERPRETATION
What I notice on the Christian forums, in the main, is not a disagreement on what a particular version of the bible says, but rather disagreements on how to INTERPRET what that single verse or set of verses mean to them. The interpretations we layer and apply to texts is a different thing than the text itself. The normal humans mind wants data and understanding of data as part of a model of meaning. The putting together of the pieces of data is often accompanied by more speculation than religionists are willing to admit. Even the logic underlying speculations is arguably suspect.

As a humourous example, I heard someone comment that Isaac (whom Abraham was commanded to Sacrifice) could not have been a teenager, since “killing most teenagers would not have been a sacrifice”.

Though we dismiss such a use of logic as humor, still, some individuals may make such logical assumptions and speculate beyond the power of the data to support the speculation. When we confuse firm speculation with knowledge, we privately endow our own data with importance and meaning it may not have.

Still, in our minds eye, when we imagine Abraham, we still imagine SOME sort of man (perhaps a generic old man with a white beard) and we still imagine SOME sort of younger man (a son of the father). Why we assume that our individual minds-eye assumption is correct is difficult to say and yet we see individuals arguing over such speculations. The speculations differ even about basic issues such as the origin and purpose of evil; the purpose of mortality; the nature of redemption and resurrection; the nature of heaven and of qualifications necessary to enter heaven. These are some very basic principles.



6) DIFFERING RESULTING INTERPRETATIONS OF DIFFERING DATA
As I pointed out in a prior post, even individual experiences may inaugurate subtle changes in doctrine as we seek to understand nuances of the redemption. For example, a christian mother who loses a child just after birth may seek doctrinal comfort that differs from a prior belief that all individuals, even infants, who have not accepted Jesus, go to a Hell. This may seem so unjust, that the mother refuses to believe the doctrine, even if she held that belief prior to this individual experience. As she reads, and studies, and thinks, she may look for and find logical support for a christian model that seems more fair in her specific eyes, while her inexperienced 13 year old neighbor might never have even given the doctrine a thought. Neither of these individuals who subsequently hold differing religious opinions on the fate of the infant are evil, but they have had differing experiences which drive which sets of data they seek for and how they interpret the data they are exposed to.



My point is not a definitive treatise on all the various reasons why individuals vary in their belief, but simply to point out that there are multiple reasons for differences within the evolving christian religion that results in differing denominations that are not evil, but are simply part and parcel of inevitable circumstances of mortality and are not the result of evil in the hearts of individuals who hold differing opinions.

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I don't know if this question was ever asked and if this is even the most appropriate place to ask it.

Why are there so many denominations that seem to believe something from the Bible that in some instances contradicts the beliefs of one or more denominations with the beliefs of one or more other denominations?

You have gotten some very good answers. Let me add my 2 cents worth. Because the Bible is composed of so many books by different authors spanning at least 1,000 years, the authors interpreted their experience of God differently. Those experiences were filtered through their particular historical and sociological perspective. So, there are theological contradictions. The most pronounced of these, perhaps, are between verses that say we are saved by what we do (works) vs those that indicate that we are saved by faith alone. Depending on which verses you place the most emphasis, you are going to get different beliefs.

People who read the Bible often don't bother with the historical or sociological setting and miss the original meanings, making beliefs the original authors didn't have. The most famous of those is the belief by Fundamentalists that Genesis 1-3 is history instead of theology.

In other cases, there are differences in how a group of worshipping Christians are to be governed. My own denomination -- Methodist -- is the result of contemporary political differences rather than major differences of beliefs. Methodists started out as Anglicans and our beliefs are very similar to Anglicans. Yet the first Methodists were all in America at the time of the American Revolution. After the Revolutionary War, political considerations had Methodists separate from Anglicans so that Methodists would not be associated with the denomination of Britain. Since then, other differences have arisen.

Sometimes practices sneak into a denomination that people think contradict the Bible. For instance, one of Martin Luther's major differences with the RCC was over penance and indulgence. For the RCC at the time, these were "works" that would obligate God to give salvation. These practices, IMO, were what Luther referred to as "works" and not the works referred to in Matthew 25 or Revelations 20. However, that historical context has been lost, so here, like scripture, a denominational difference has become misunderstood.
 
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Why are there so many denominations that seem to believe something from the Bible that in some instances contradicts the beliefs of one or more denominations with the beliefs of one or more other denominations?

Christian Forums would be rather dull otherwise!;):D:D^_^^_^
 
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I know this might be a controversial answer but I don't think any of them would fit that descriptor. People just don't think like they did in late Antiquity. Our collective psychology has changed pretty drastically and we can't go back there again.
 
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denominations are of men and the word of God is not of any private interpretation
most of the denominations involve proud men who like to be front and center lifted up and looked upon as having all the answers
the different beliefs come from the wisdom of men which is foolishness with God
when one is led by the spirit and seeks the truth it will come to be if sought out rightly
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Okay, so denominational identity is evil. What alternative do you have to it?
 
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denominations are of men and the word of God is not of any private interpretation
most of the denominations involve proud men who like to be front and center lifted up and looked upon as having all the answers
the different beliefs come from the wisdom of men which is foolishness with God
when one is led by the spirit and seeks the truth it will come to be if sought out rightly
this site might help some usefull insights -simple but thought provoking
destinedtoberevealed dot com
blessings and good questions

That is a very sensible reasoning. And that's the reality since they killed the original Apostles in the beginning of the Christian era. The Apostles had a divine commission and the priesthood given them by one in authority, Jesus Christ Himself. So, they had all the right and authority to lead the church, call and ordain other officers such as bishops, deacons, teachers, etc. to regulate the affair of the church of Christ. When they were killed, and the last one banned to Patmos Island, the church of Christ dwindled. From that point on men like those you describe above, started to take over and the results is what we see today. It started with all sorts of "isms" such as gnosticism, aryanism, catholicism and hundreds of others sects. Today it is not much different including the fact that none of the denominations have no authority from God. Now, there are some that claim the authority comes from the Bible. But any sensible person would know that a book cannot give you authority, it may give you some knowledge, but not authority, any more than a policeman cannot have any authority to arrest anyone unless his is invested of that authority by the government. Imagine if an officer comes an gives you a ticket, and you ask by what authority you are doin this? and he answers: I have a policy manual from the academy which gives me that authority. Think about it!

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Okay, so denominational identity is evil. What alternative do you have to it?

Good question. If you conclude that denominations are not from God but from men, it stands to reason that the alternative is to go straight to God. Since He is the author or Salvation. Why not go straight to Him and ask Him in sincerity of heart where is His Kingdom found? Why wade through so many winds of doctrine and interpretations.
Isn't God the source of all truth? Then, go directly to Him and ask Him, where can I find the thy Kingdom? If you have sufficient faith I have not doubt you will get an answer because He has promised: "Knock and it will be open, ask and it will be given to you."

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Good question. If you conclude that denominations are not from God but from men, it stands to reason that the alternative is to go straight to God. Since He is the author or Salvation. Why not go straight to Him and ask Him in sincerity of heart where is His Kingdom found? Why wade through so many winds of doctrine and interpretations.
Isn't God the source of all truth? Then, go directly to Him and ask Him, where can I find the thy Kingdom? If you have sufficient faith I have not doubt you will get an answer because He has promised: "Knock and it will be open, ask and it will be given to you."

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And if God has already spoken in His word? Christ gave us His Church. Of course, that Church has endured schism after schism, which is what many/most denominations are. Some are the result of human beings thinking God told them to start a new church, though of course God would never do that when He already has one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church (as we confess in the Creed).

In a perfect world we'd all be gathering every Sunday at the same table. Of course, if the world was perfect, we wouldn't need to gather to the table because we'd already be at the banquet feast of Christ, world without end.

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I don't know if this question was ever asked and if this is even the most appropriate place to ask it.

Why are there so many denominations that seem to believe something from the Bible that in some instances contradicts the beliefs of one or more denominations with the beliefs of one or more other denominations?

Many think some laws still apply and many thinks some laws are done away with. That equals multiple denominations each knowing what laws are kept and what laws doesn't apply to them.
 
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Good question. If you conclude that denominations are not from God but from men, it stands to reason that the alternative is to go straight to God. Since He is the author or Salvation. Why not go straight to Him and ask Him in sincerity of heart where is His Kingdom found? Why wade through so many winds of doctrine and interpretations.
Isn't God the source of all truth? Then, go directly to Him and ask Him, where can I find the thy Kingdom? If you have sufficient faith I have not doubt you will get an answer because He has promised: "Knock and it will be open, ask and it will be given to you."

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If you do that, you may feel that you have been answered; but if it leads you to some denomination, there still are going to be all the other ones populated by people equally convinced that their choice was correct.
 
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Good question. If you conclude that denominations are not from God but from men, it stands to reason that the alternative is to go straight to God. Since He is the author or Salvation. Why not go straight to Him and ask Him in sincerity of heart where is His Kingdom found? Why wade through so many winds of doctrine and interpretations.
Isn't God the source of all truth? Then, go directly to Him and ask Him, where can I find the thy Kingdom? If you have sufficient faith I have not doubt you will get an answer because He has promised: "Knock and it will be open, ask and it will be given to you."

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Thank you for answering my question which was not addressed to you. Suppose God doesn't answer your question? How do you expect him to answer? Will he speak to you in an audible voice, as some have claimed?
 
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... and attitudes like that is another reason.





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People look for how fresh your post is. Don't mind them squeezing it some. If it is too old, they will move on. Your effort is honest, but maybe no sale.

Just food for thought.
 
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I guess that I should say something here. I have this idea that all Christians have the opportunity to be real followers of Jesus Christ. This is done by accepting the core faith in Christ by listening to and obeying his teachings and commands. In other words, being found obedient to Jesus' Gospel, plain and simple. As soon as such things formed in the minds of men as Trinity did, it gets confusing and complicated. I know, you say to me that Jesus said you must believe in the Trinity Theology or perish, burn in hell forever. Whatever. Obviously, Jesus never said such a thing when talking about the wonders and mysteries of God. It is man who tries to add to or trump the Gospel. The core faith is simply obedience to what we know of Christ. That is a lot in itself. That distinguishes Christians from the world ("love your enemies, do good to those who mistreat you, ...") We don't need to try to improve over Jesus to say that we know who he is. You don't know who Jesus is if you can't even obey him and keep it that simple. Your soul would appreciate compliance to the only Word of God, Jesus himself.

In a sense, I believe that though there are 33,000 or more denominations, there is only one true core faith (obey Jesus as he is or not, nothing added). Are you going to love those who hate and abuse you or instead are you going to support something that is nothing but the tradition of men. The command of God is to listen to his son and obey him. The tradition of man is not salvation by following God's son, but following man. You had better have obedience to God's son as he commanded you or plan on a different residence when he comes for his own. I feel that I should warn people to be careful when you trump the Word of God. Jesus warned the Pharisees when they trumped God's commandment of honoring your father and mother with man's tradition of giving to the church instead. I warn you to not hide behind man's traditions to avoid obeying God's command of listening to and obeying his beloved son, Jesus Christ.

More food for thought and fresh at that.
 
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I can imagine that my above post is in the wrong area of this forum again and I will be reprimanded once more. I will save it as usual and anyone who wants to see it can, stephen_paul_kendall@yahoo.com . I obey God and not man or his traditions. I don't think there are many like me, but God holds some to himself, so there must be others. We need to be in the obedience category with God (The command of God is to listen to his son and obey him). Let us keep it simple to the point. There really is no reason to not love one another and respect each other. Do we follow Jesus or man? Be courageous and not superstitious. Simply obey God over man. Praise God always.

There are 33,000 or more tradition based church systems, but only one core faith of obeying Jesus Christ and what he said, not man. I have fellowship with all core believers, even the ones who don't recognize themselves as such. I simply respect their traditions as Romans Chapter 14 tells us and love them as part of God's family. Being right isn't everything, but following Christ is pretty much your everything here on Earth.
 
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There are 33,000 or more tradition based church systems, but only one core faith of obeying Jesus Christ and what he said, not man. I have fellowship with all core believers, even the ones who don't recognize themselves as such. I simply respect their traditions as Romans Chapter 14 tells us and love them as part of God's family. Being right isn't everything, but following Christ is pretty much your everything here on Earth.

That's usually what Catholics eager to impose their belief system upon reformed Christians say, but surely you don't believe that the proliferation of denominations is "tradition-based." ????? Maybe you mean they have each their own ways of looking at things or perceiving the truth or something along those lines.
 
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That's usually what Catholics eager to impose their belief system upon reformed Christians say, but surely you don't believe that the proliferation of denominations is "tradition-based." ????? Maybe you mean they have each their own ways of looking at things or perceiving the truth or something along those lines.

The polite word that I use to use is "enhancements" instead of add-ons or traditions. The core belief of listening to Christ and obeying his commands of the Gospel is not tradition, add-ons or enhancements. It is our faith to follow Christ and obey him in knowing our salvation is through him alone. It was God, himself, who told us to listen to and obey his beloved son. The traditions were personal and from leaders of the churches, but this personal trademark isn't the core faith that makes the spiritual Church of God, our unification and fellowship without walls and with each other & our Lord together.

Divisions (denominations) have occurred because traditions seem to easily acquire the level of the actual Word of God. They can never take the place of our core faith and we need to acknowledge this. We obey God, who tells us to listen to and obey his son, who gives us our core faith. There is no tradition that should get into this core faith (Jesus' instructions, teachings and commands). So, when you keep to your core faith which is identical to all Christians (those truly obeying God which God said is listening to and obeying Jesus) then you have fellowship with all such Christians around the entire world. For success in this, it may be better for you to lead your own attempt for this fellowship. Leaders of churches hold onto their traditions religiously. Can you blame them? You are in an easier level to unite with all Christians than a Church leader would be able to.

I hope that you understand what I have written.
 
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The polite word that I use to use is "enhancements" instead of add-ons or traditions.

May I suggest that you're speaking of different interpretations of Scripture rather than a tradition, add on, or subtraction, all of which imply some sort of improper and willful fiddling with the essentials of the faith. If you say "tradition" you are suggesting that those who use the Bible as the final determiner of doctrine actually are following some customs or unscriptural theories in the Roman Catholic manner. Because most of the churches you began by mentioning are Protestant churches and, by definition, opposed to supplementing scripture with such as that, the word is a poor choice, that's all.


The traditions were personal and from leaders of the churches

Maybe you are just using the word in an odd way. Luther, for example, wasn't referring to some "tradition" of his when asserting that the corrupt practices in the church needed to be reformed.
 
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Any church or organization that is in anyway distinguishable from another has some manner of tradition even if they do tend to shy away from strict dogmatism. Take the tradition of holding the canonical Bible as the word of God for example. That's a fairly widespread tradition that crosses the line from catholic to evangelical. Any statement of belief, Scripture, or practice of a Church or denomination could be called tradition in the broad sense of the term. I think the term gets a bad rap because it brings to mind the Bible's condemnation of the "traditions of men" but people forget the "of men" part is distinguishing it from divine traditions or those inspired by God rather than by man according to his own limited capacities. If all tradition were bad there would be no reason to specify the of men part.
 
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