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[JustMeSee]

Some would have to admit that he was one day old.

Does that make sense?

No, it doesn't make sense. Adam and Eve were not real people.

 

[AV1611VET]

The way that we know the Earth is old is because of its history.

Christians knew it before you guys did, though ... without history.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

 

[JustMeSee]

I don't.

I say he was either 20 or 30 years old.

Passage and verse?
Or are you just adding to The Bible?
If scientific tests were performed on Adam, they would determine he was zero years old at creation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then you are an even bigger fool. You have nothing but misapplied Bible verses at best.

How about I misapply this one, then?

Psalm 14:1a The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

I'd rather an atheist call me a fool, than the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Passage and verse?

I don't have one ... it's just a guess, since Adam was married and had a job.

Or are you just adding to The Bible?

I'm filling in some gaps, so we don't get accused of having "God-of-the-Gaps" theology.

If scientific tests were performed on Adam, they would determine he was zero years old at creation.

What tests, exactly?

 

[JustMeSee]

Correct, we would not expect 20 or 30 years we would expect an answer of one day. Hence why I have issues with embedded age. Even if God embedded age into the universe we would not know it since we can only measure the history of an objects breakdown of isotopes. Therefore we would only see the age of 6000 or so years.

 

[JustMeSee]

Good.

The creation week didn't generate any evidence.

Incorrect. From your perspective, it generated tons of deceptive evidence.
Every time this embedded age hypothesis is put forward, I get the impression that you see your god as a deceiver.

 

[JustMeSee]

What tests, exactly?

The test that would determine his age.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Christians knew it before you guys did, though ... without history.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

No, Christians "knew" nothing of the Earth. If all of the references that you base your knowledge upon are wrong then you really don't know anything.

Remember, both the Old and New Testament describe a flat Earth not a spherical Earth.

Why do you pick and chose only certain myths to believe in your Bible. Even interactions with your Jesus made claims of a flat Earth. Of course you probably failed geometry so you don't know when that happened.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How about I misapply this one, then?

Psalm 14:1a The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

I'd rather an atheist call me a fool, than the Bible.

Of course if someone only listened to his heart he would be a fool. Luckily for me that is not the case. And I am not calling you a fool, your resistance to education is making you one. Please note the conditional word in the relevant post.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

How about I misapply this one, then?

Psalm 14:1a The fool hath said in his heart, There is God.

I'd rather an atheist call me a fool, than the Bible.

Ok.

 

[Split Rock]

You're entitled to your opinion.

Not all opinions are created equal.... though that certainly seems to be the thinking among creationists.

Before we go too far off from the O.P., can we conclude that there is no known reason why God would embed age in his creations to give them maturity and that it was not necessary for him to have done so?

 

[AV1611VET]

Before we go too far off from the O.P., can we conclude that there is no known reason why God would embed age in his creations to give them maturity and that it was not necessary for him to have done so?

Of course not.

I already told you He has reasons that are not obvious to us.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Of course not.

I already told you He has reasons that are not obvious to us.

Maybe it's not obvious to you, leave us out of it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe it's not obvious to you, leave us out of it.

Fair enough.

Then I'll take this...

Before we go too far off from the O.P., can we conclude that there is no known reason why God would embed age in his creations to give them maturity and that it was not necessary for him to have done so?

... with a grain of salt.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Fair enough.

Then I'll take this...

... with a grain of salt.

If that's what it takes to preserve your cog. dis., then by all means, you should.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Of course not.

I already told you He has reasons that are not obvious to us.

...or here's a radical idea: perhaps your embedded age idea is total garbage, just like the rest of young earth creationism.

 

[AV1611VET]

...or here's a radical idea: perhaps your embedded age idea is total garbage, just like the rest of young earth creationism.

I'm sure any creation model would is 'total garbage' to some, don't you?

 

[Split Rock]

Of course not.

I already told you He has reasons that are not obvious to us.

OK. Then I am justified in taking "embedded age" creation with a grain of salt.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

I'm sure any creation model would is 'total garbage' to some, don't you?

Without evidence, all you have is a cute little story.