My New Apple Challenge

[Split Rock]

How about "maturity without history"?

How about you explain why I cannot create a mature apple with no embedded age via ex nihilo creation?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you mean y-chromosomal Adam? You do realize that he and mitochondrial Eve never met right?

Yes, I realize that.

A literal Adam would be needed.

As it is, the closest evolution gets to them are y-Adam and mtDNA Eve, who supposedly lived thousands of years apart from each other.

 

[AV1611VET]

How about you explain why I cannot create a mature apple with no embedded age via ex nihilo creation?

I didn't say you couldn't, did I?

In fact, I asked if you did, what would you call it? Omphalos? Last Thursday? what?

Beats me.

If you have created a second apple containing {maturity without history}, yet isn't embedded age, then more power to you.

I personally don't think embedded age has an equal.

But I also think you're trying to disassociate embedded age with its definition, and you're going to end up not fully understanding what embedded age is.

Just my opinion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, I realize that.

Good, there were thousands of other men alive at the time of Y-Chromosomal Adam and thousands of women alive at the time of Mitochondrial DNA Eve. Our lines of descent just happen to go through those two individuals. The use of Adam and Eve only refers to the myth that most of us grew up with.

 

[Split Rock]

I didn't say you couldn't, did I?

In fact, I asked if you did, what would you call it? Omphalos? Last Thursday? what?

OK. I can call it whatever I want I suppose... since the rules are all made up anyway... hmmm... I think I will call it "Nuevo" ex nihilo creation.

So... what was the reason that God used embedded age rather than nuevo creation?

 

[AV1611VET]

OK. I can call it whatever I want I suppose... since the rules are all made up anyway... hmmm... I think I will call it "Nuevo" ex nihilo creation.

So... what was the reason that God used embedded age rather than nuevo creation?

God will use "Nuevo" creation when the time comes.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Albeit, it will be ex materia vice ex nihilo.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God will use "Nuevo" creation when the time comes.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Albeit, it will be ex materia vice ex nihilo.

You still have not shown any evidence that god made Earth with an embedded age.

 

[AV1611VET]

You still have not shown any evidence that god made Earth with an embedded age.

Good.

The creation week didn't generate any evidence.

 

[Split Rock]

God will use "Nuevo" creation when the time comes.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Albeit, it will be ex materia vice ex nihilo.

So, if the new heavens and earth are "mature" he won't emded age into them? How do you get that from the sentence you quoted? Why didn't he use nuevo creation the first time?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good.

The creation week didn't generate any evidence.

According to you that is the case. You have not listed any evidence for this so called creation week yet.

Now we can show you why we believe what we believe. It is written in the stones themselves. Your claims for an embedded age without an embedded history have be shown to be false. What bird of fancy will you be trying to fly this week?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why didn't he use nuevo creation the first time?

Why should I know?

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[AV1611VET]

According to you that is the case. You have not listed any evidence for this so called creation week yet.

Which is the crux of my Apple Challenge.

Now we can show you why we believe what we believe.

So can I.

It is written in the stones themselves.

I know something 'written in the stones' that no atheist or denier will ever find.

Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Your claims for an embedded age without an embedded history have be shown to be false.

Shown to whom? me? I think not.

Maybe your contemporaries buy your show, but I don't.

What bird of fancy will you be trying to fly this week?

Same one as last week ... a dove.

 

[CabVet]

Which is the crux of my Apple Challenge.

You still have not contradicted this statement: age = history, therefore there is not such thing as age without history.

 

[AV1611VET]

You still have not contradicted this statement: age = history, therefore there is not such thing as age without history.

QV please:

Maturity without history is a working definition I came up with after taking it to God in prayer.

I needed something to differentiate the difference between Omphalos, Last Thursday, and Embedded Age.

I wanted to specifically avoid the terms "age" and "old" in my definition, not wanting to use a word in the definition that is in the term itself.

Like in grade school, when the teacher would say, "Define this word, without using that word in the definition itself."

Saying "maturity without age" is just plain wrong, as Adam is always depicted as a full-grown man.

Saying "created fully-mature" doesn't work, as it doesn't exclude Omphalos, which could say that he was fully-mature, had a navel, was skinned up, had tooth decay, 20/30 vision, etc.

And not only could have those, but could have those because Adam was aged (note: 'aged' --- a verb) to his current age.

In any event, I took it to God in prayer, and 'maturity without history' is the result.

 

[Split Rock]

Why should I know?

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Maybe you should know, since you are the one making the claim.

 

[CabVet]

QV please:

Yeah, it is a definition you "came up with". In other words, you redefined age, history and the word "old" to mean something completely different than what they do with the sole purpose of reconciling science and the Bible.

Adam's age the day after he was created is one day, the fact that he looks like an adult has no correlation to the time over which he existed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, it is a definition you "came up with".

No, it's not, scientist.

If you would have read my very next post, you would have known this.

Here ... I'll qv it for you in the spirit of the movie file in my profile:

If age only implied history, then Embedded Age would imply Omphalos, not necessarily equal it.

However, I am using definition #4 on answers.com.

4. The state of being old; old age: hair white with age.

 

[AV1611VET]

Adam's age the day after he was created is one day,

You're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, it's not, scientist.

If you would have read my very next post, you would have known this.

Here ... I'll qv it for you in the spirit of the movie file in my profile:

The Earth does not have white hair, or any hair for that matter.

The way that we know the Earth is old is because of its history. Long before radiometric dating gave specific dates we knew the Earth was hundreds of millions of years old. And that preceded Darwin's Theory of Evolution too. WE knew the Earth was old before Darwin's time.

So until you learn why we know the Earth is old you are in no position to claim the Earth has an "embedded age" and yet it does not have an "embedded history". You cannot have one without the other.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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I know something 'written in the stones' that no atheist or denier will ever find.

Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Quotes from fairy tales do not count as evidence.

Shown to whom? me? I think not.

Everyone has shown you how falst your ideas of embedded age are.
Yes, as the saying goes: "None are so blind as those that will not see." If fits you to a Teel

Maybe your contemporaries buy your show, but I don't.

Then you are an even bigger fool. You have nothing but misapplied Bible verses at best. If they were pertinent you might have a point. Right now you are just grasping at straws.