My New Apple Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Heck, even using instruments to determine age you would not be able to tell them apart since to determine age we measure somethings history.

How old was Adam when he got married?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How old was Adam when he go married?

Since he is a fictional character the answer is whatever age the writer wanted it to be.

 

[Split Rock]

Are you asking me this?

For one thing, it makes it ready to eat.

I told you both apples were fully mature, ripe and ready to eat. Only one had any age embedded in it. Now, what is the point of the embedded age in one of the apples?

 

[AV1611VET]

I told you both apples were fully mature, ripe and ready to eat. Only one had any age embedded in it. Now, what is the point of the embedded age in one of the apples?

Beats me.

If you have created a second apple containing {maturity without history}, yet isn't embedded age, then more power to you.

I personally don't think embedded age has an equal.

But I also think you're trying to disassociate embedded age with its definition, and you're going to end up not fully understanding what embedded age is.

Just my opinion.

 

[Belk]

How old was Adam when he go married?

No clue. How does radiometric dating work?

 

[AV1611VET]

No clue. How does radiometric dating work?

Some would have to admit that he was one day old.

Does that make sense?

 

[RickG]

How old was Adam when he got married?

Adam got married? Who performed the ceremony?

 

[Belk]

Some would have to admit that he was one day old.

Does that make sense?

Not overly familiar with the Bible AV so if you say he was one day old I will agree.

 

[Split Rock]

Beats me.

If you have created a second apple containing {maturity without history}, yet isn't embedded age, then more power to you.

I personally don't think embedded age has an equal.

But I also think you're trying to disassociate embedded age with its definition, and you're going to end up not fully understanding what embedded age is.

Just my opinion.

I"m trying to figure out what "embedded" age is good for. You seem to be saying I can't make a mature apple without embedding age into it. Why?

 

[gaara4158]

To me, it sounds like the maturity you've created the apple with is the embedded age. AV has admitted that his "embedded age" isn't something summoned from an alternate universe where it has actually existed for a set amount of time, but rather something conjured to mimic exactly the state of such a thing.

Therefore, to create an apple without embedding any age would be to create... either nothing or an apple seed, depending on how you define "zero age."

 

[AV1611VET]

Adam got married?

That's what I heard.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Who performed the ceremony?

God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not overly familiar with the Bible AV so if you say he was one day old I will agree.

I don't.

I say he was either 20 or 30 years old.

 

[AV1611VET]

I"m trying to figure out what "embedded" age is good for. You seem to be saying I can't make a mature apple without embedding age into it. Why?

Trying to find out what embedded age is good for without fully understanding what embedded age is, is like putting a prenatal drug on the market without fully understanding how it works.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I don't.

I say he was either 20 or 30 years old.

Then if you believe he was born/created yesterday you are not describing what you believe correctly. He would have the appearance of being 20 to 30 years old but would only be one day old. To state flatly that he is 20 to 30 years old would not be a correct statement of what you believe. It is, at best, a bad use of English.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Trying to find out what embedded age is good for without fully understanding what embedded age is, is like putting a prenatal drug on the market without fully understanding how it works.

No it isn't.

Embedded age is what art forgers do. You seem to think your God is on a par with them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then if you believe he was born/created yesterday you are not describing what you believe correctly. He would have the appearance of being 20 to 30 years old but would only be one day old. To state flatly that he is 20 to 30 years old would not be a correct statement of what you believe. It is, at best, a bad use of English.

Perhaps you could state it better then?

 

[AV1611VET]

No it isn't.

Embedded age is what art forgers do. You seem to think your God is on a par with them.

I have a feeling you don't even know what it is; but that's certainly not stopping you from criticizing it, is it?

You're certainly not alone here.

 

[Belk]

I don't.

I say he was either 20 or 30 years old.

OK. Sounds good. However if we were able to use the radiometric dating methods we use for other things on Adam it would still return a value of one day, since it would measure his history, not his "age".

ETA: Hence why I don't buy your idea of embedded age. We can only measure history. Age is not a property of anything other then the amount of time that something has been in existence.

 

[AV1611VET]

OK. Sounds good. However if we were able to use the radiometric dating methods we use for other things on Adam it would still return a value of one day, since it would measure his history, not his "age".

ETA: Hence why I don't buy your idea of embedded age. We can only measure history. Age is not a property of anything other then the amount of time that something has been in existence.

I've asked this before, but I'll ask it again:

What is this dating method that would date Adam at one day old, and the universe at 4.57 billion years?

And if you have a machine that only measures history (and embedded age = zero history), then of course it would return a value of 'one day.'

You certainly wouldn't expect it to show 20 or 30 years of history, would you?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I have a feeling you don't even know what it is; but that's certainly not stopping you from criticizing it, is it?

You're certainly not alone here.

I know exactly what your embedded age idea is, but you are deliberately using a misleading and incorrect use of English to make it sound as if your position isn't straightforward young earth creationism, which it is.