Orthodox Christians vs SDA?

[Stryder06]

From what I can tell the SDA planned where to be in order to disrupt the Theophany procession. The Church is likely less than a block away.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

This is the line of logic I was waiting for. smh...

There were all of like 6 Adventists, all of which looked to be less than young. There's no way they were impeeding that procession from reaching it's destination, if they weren't the target.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Didn't you say that this was an exocism? Why were they carring the pails of water if they weren't for the buckets. Why shout (allegedly) that they would destroy them if they returned?

Ever consider the chance that the ONLY reason they were FORCED to give an apology was because of the community backlash?

Thowing a bucket of Holy water on someone is an exorcism. He stopped in the middle of Theophany and performed and exorcism. I think they could have easily gone around them.

It's really not a question, what the Orthodox were doing. It's most definitely Theophany.

I wish we could understand the audio. subtitles even...

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[Stryder06]

Thowing a bucket of Holy water on someone is an exorcism. He stopped in the middle of Theophany and performed and exorcism.

It's really not a question.

I wish we could understand the audio. subtitles even...

God be gracious to me a sinner.

I agree that I wish we could understand the video. I can't confirm what was said so I won't say that what's in the caption is what is or isn't correct.

My question still stands as to why the "exorcism" was done. Is that what normally happens at the end of those yearly processions?

 

[Rev Randy]

It would be the same as stopping The Divine Liturgy.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Without a doubt.
There is more to this than we see. Something got the priests hot under the collar as stopping the Procession is simply not done.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thowing a bucket of Holy water on someone is an exorcism. He stopped in the middle of Theophany and performed and exorcism. I think they could have easily gone around them.

It's really not a question, what the Orthodox were doing. It's most definitely Theophany.

I wish we could understand the audio. subtitles even...

God be gracious to me a sinner.

That reminds me of this event in Acts 19

Acts 19
13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims.”
14 Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this.
15 But the evil spirit answered them, q“Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?”
16 And the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them, mastered all1 of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
17 And this became known to all the residents of Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks. And fear fell upon them all, and rthe name of the Lord Jesus was extolled.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I agree that I wish we could understand the video. I can't confirm what was said so I won't say that what's in the caption is what is or isn't correct.

My question still stands as to why the "exorcism" was done. Is that what normally happens at the end of those yearly processions?

Well the whole 'sprinkling of water' is for the same purpose. That's what Holy Water is for... driving out evil spirits. It's to be done to and for everyone and everything. It is the water of Christ's baptism.

What the Priest did was 'out of order'. He stopped at something he considered to be anti-Christian and exorcised the area. His pouring the bucket emphasizes his perception of how un-Holy it was. He is most certainly making a statement. I've never seen a Priest use a bucket in that manner before.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[bugkiller]

I won't pretend to know the law in the Ukraine, but if the Adventist there were in violation of it by having a book stand on display in public, then wouldn't it have been more appropriate for the police to have dealt with them?

I do not think it is a criminal offense to attack another's religious belief. Perhaps they could have simply surrounded them so no one could get to them. Personally I think the SDA church and followers should be held accountable to the public authorities for their slander.

bugkiller

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Without a doubt.
There is more to this than we see. Something got the priests hot under the collar as stopping the Procession is simply not done.

I can't see this as being a first encounter unless that sign says something awful. I don't see them being blocked either... do you? They did turn around.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

John 2:14
and He found in the Temple those selling oxen, and sheep, and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip of small cords, He put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers He poured out the coins, and the tables He overthrew
[Nahum 3:2 "sound of a whip"]

Reve 18:
11"And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over Her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore:
13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain and beasts and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins

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I see the relationship. Others say they do not.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[bugkiller]

Don't see the validity there since the SDA, to my knowledge, have never marched on anyone and tried to exercise them with holy water.

Tell me what is the difference in what the SDA do and say about other religions? Personally I see nothing. I have a relative that not even physical punishment helps correct behaviour.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Glad that you do not approve. But it would seem to be contrary to the video evidence to say that the planned location was anywhere but the spot where the Adventists were evangelizing. They walked directly to them, confronted them, tore down their stand after trying to destroy the books with water, and then walked away.

Yes I believe that was planned.

I am inclined to agree here.

bugkiller

 

[Nanopants]

Would you kindly please tell me whe the SDA is trying to reach the lost unregenerate individual? I have never heard of it. They prey on Christians.

bugkiller

Good question, and I have no idea.

 

[bugkiller]

Forgive my assumption. I don't want this thread to turn into a "no you're a heretic" thread. I'm just a bit bothered by that video...

My wager is that it would not have bothered you in the least if it was some other group it happened to. There is no sympathy from me to the poor picked on me SDA organization. They invite such behaviour by their own actions.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

That's easy to see for an Orthodox. Look what they had with them. They were not out looking for a rumble. This was spontaneous upon the sight of the SDA event. It would be like a caring mother taking her baby to a fistfight.

Upon seeing the video the event was planned and publicized.

bugkiller

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Upon seeing the video the event was planned and publicized.

bugkiller

Theophany or 'lets go exorcise the SDA' down the street?

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[bugkiller]

There are two things that stand out for me about that.

First is the fact there they are in a liturgical procession (robes and all) with the congregation and carrying Theophany water (This happens once a year).

Second is the idea that they were disciplined. That would not have happened if it were a planned event. The bishop would have pre-approved such action.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Knowing the nature of man and the politics of religion I think there might be some under the table unoffical sanction and planned false apology for face saving value.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I'm wondering if they were disciplined for stopping the procession , the upsetting of tables or both. The punishment was pretty severe.

What was the punishment? It seems that fact was left out by the OP and I do not recall reading it this far into the thread.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I would like to think that the SDA was blocking the procession in some way... but I don't see anything that suggests it in the video... except perhaps that the procession turned around at that point.

From what I can tell the SDA planned where to be in order to disrupt the Theophany procession. The Church is likely less than a block away.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Good point.

bugkiller

 

[Stryder06]

Well the whole 'sprinkling of water' is for the same purpose. That's what Holy Water is for... driving out evil spirits. It's to be done to and for everyone and everything. It is the water of Christ's baptism.

What the Priest did was 'out of order'. He stopped at something he considered to be anti-Christian and exorcised the area. His pouring the bucket emphasizes his perception of how un-Holy it was. He is most certainly making a statement. I've never seen a Priest use a bucket in that manner before.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

All the more reason why I believe this event was planned. The water was brought to be used on the books.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by OrthodoxyUSA

Well the whole 'sprinkling of water' is for the same purpose. That's what Holy Water is for... driving out evil spirits. It's to be done to and for everyone and everything. It is the water of Christ's baptism.

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Theophany or 'lets go exorcise the SDA' down the street?

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Did you notice these Jewish exorcists invoked the Jesus that Paul preached and what happened to them?

That reminds me of this event in Acts 19

Acts 19
13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims.”
14 Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this.
15 But the evil spirit answered them, q“Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?”
16 And the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them, mastered all1 of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
17 And this became known to all the residents of Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks. And fear fell upon them all, and rthe name of the Lord Jesus was extolled.