Orthodox Christians vs SDA?

[OrthodoxyUSA]

The video explains what was going on. Quite simply though nothing can be said that takes away from the fact that they threw "holy water" on the people and then on the books, before tearing down the stand and throwing it over that small hill. My question is do you approve of what was done? Do you see any fault in their actions?

No. I do not approve. For one thing, he stopped his procession. That's a big no no. He could have gone around them and continued to the destination, which would be a lake or river. (The SDA being there was not the purpose of the procession.)

Do you think this was 'impromptu' or planned?

I am glad the were disciplined and were forced to give personal apolgies.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Don't see the validity there since the SDA, to my knowledge, have never marched on anyone and tried to exercise them with holy water.

They didn't march out to meet the SDA.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[Stryder06]

No. I do not approve. For one thing, he stopped his procession. That's a big no no. He could have gone around them and continued to the destination, which would be a lake or river. (The SDA being there was not the purpose of the procession.)

Do you think this was 'impromptu' or planned?

I am glad the were disciplined and were forced to give personal apolgies.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Glad that you do not approve. But it would seem to be contrary to the video evidence to say that the planned location was anywhere but the spot where the Adventists were evangelizing. They walked directly to them, confronted them, tore down their stand after trying to destroy the books with water, and then walked away.

Yes I believe that was planned.

 

[Rev Randy]

I won't pretend to know the law in the Ukraine, but if the Adventist there were in violation of it by having a book stand on display in public, then wouldn't it have been more appropriate for the police to have dealt with them?

Nope. It was a matter for the Church and as you noticed the police didn't show up nor press charges on the SDA or the two Priests. The two priest were actually punished and made to personally apologize to the group as a whole. The Church saw this as wrong and not only said so but corrected it.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Nope. It was a matter for the Church and as you noticed the police didn't show up nor press charges on the SDA or the two Priests. The two priest were actually punished and made to personally apologize to the group as a whole. The Church saw this as wrong and not only said so but corrected it.

Randy, Was it Theophany? Or did they actually get the congregation to go out and exercise the SDA?

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[Lion King]

Don't see the validity there since the SDA, to my knowledge, have never marched on anyone and tried to exercise them with holy water.

I was actually referring to the Orthodox church calling the SDA heretics, when they hold questionable and strange doctrine themselves.

 

[Stryder06]

They didn't march out to meet the SDA.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Stryder06]

I was actually referring to the Orthodox church calling the SDA heretics, when they hold questionable and strange doctrine themselves.

Forgive my assumption. I don't want this thread to turn into a "no you're a heretic" thread. I'm just a bit bothered by that video...

 

[Rev Randy]

Randy, Was it Theophany? Or did they actually get the congregation to go out and exercise the SDA?

God be gracious to me a sinner.

That's easy to see for an Orthodox. Look what they had with them. They were not out looking for a rumble. This was spontaneous upon the sight of the SDA event. It would be like a caring mother taking her baby to a fistfight.

 

[AmyNMoore]

I'll tell you what I have observed in the video.

This is a procession at Theophany. It's annual. The sprikling of water is a blessing. For the Orthodox Chrisian, this is the water that Christ was baptised in. That is the celebration of Theophany. The priest is to sprinkle the water as far and as wide as possible. All of it is to be used in the procession.

Can we tell why they turned and went the other way after meeting this group in their path? I don't see a body of water? Is it behind the camera man? Maybe someone else can determine what their original destination was.

Watching a couple of times, I can see that this is not the first time the Priest has seen this particular group. With action so strong it would appear that this is a second or third encounter. That being the case, this Priest has most likely had discussions with his Bishop about them.

What the Priest did: He threw Theophany water on them and destroyed their table. This is an Exorcism. Pure and simple. The turning over of the table and destroying things we can relate to the Temple tables. The Priest is taking a chance on righteous indignation. The limitation comes at striking someone. I'm glad that nobody was hit. He would be defrocked should it come to that. The layity would see to it.

Can anybody read the sign? Are we sure that didn't have something to do with abortion or something that might invoke the strongest of feelings.

It's Ukrainian right? Any slovic speakers in the house?

God be gracious to me a sinner.

i would have to agree with lion on this one.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by OrthodoxyUSA This is an Exorcism. Pure and simple. The turning over of the table and destroying things we can relate to the Temple tables. The Priest is taking a chance on righteous indignation. The limitation comes at striking someone. I'm glad that nobody was hit. He would be defrocked should it come to that. The layity would see to it.

John 2:14
and He found in the Temple those selling oxen, and sheep, and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip of small cords, He put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers He poured out the coins, and the tables He overthrew
[Nahum 3:2 "sound of a whip"]

Reve 18:
11"And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over Her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore:
13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain and beasts and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)​

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins

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[OrthodoxyUSA]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

There are two things that stand out for me about that.

First is the fact there they are in a liturgical procession (robes and all) with the congregation and carrying Theophany water (This happens once a year).

Second is the idea that they were disciplined. That would not have happened if it were a planned event. The bishop would have pre-approved such action.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[Rev Randy]

There are two things that stand out for me about that.

First is the fact there they are in a liturgical procession (robes and all) with the congregation and carrying Theophany water (This happens once a year).

Second is the idea that they were disciplined. That would not have happened if it were a planned event. The bishop would have pre-approved such action.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

QFT

 

[bugkiller]

Didn't look like they were provoked to good works.

What are good works? Does it mean saying yes to everything? If I know the SDA in this case I would wager they were saying nasty things against the predominant OE and their anger was probably fully justified.

bugkiller

 

[Rev Randy]

I'm wondering if they were disciplined for stopping the procession , the upsetting of tables or both. The punishment was pretty severe.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I would like to think that the SDA was blocking the procession in some way... but I don't see anything that suggests it in the video... except perhaps that the procession turned around at that point.

From what I can tell the SDA planned where to be in order to disrupt the Theophany procession. The Church is likely less than a block away.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I'm wondering if they were disciplined for stopping the procession , the upsetting of tables or both. The punishment was pretty severe.

It would be the same as stopping The Divine Liturgy.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[bugkiller]

If the outreach is legitimately just trying to spread the Gospel, then I do feel bad for that evangelist, but not if his message is anything like what's written on that prophecy bus.

Would you kindly please tell me whe the SDA is trying to reach the lost unregenerate individual? I have never heard of it. They prey on Christians.

bugkiller

 

[Stryder06]

There are two things that stand out for me about that.

First is the fact there they are in a liturgical procession (robes and all) with the congregation and carrying Theophany water (This happens once a year).

Second is the idea that they were disciplined. That would not have happened if it were a planned event. The bishop would have pre-approved such action.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Didn't you say that this was an exocism? Why were they carring the pails of water if they weren't for the buckets. Why shout (allegedly) that they would destroy them if they returned?

Ever consider the chance that the ONLY reason they were FORCED to give an apology was because of the community backlash?

 

[bugkiller]

Good one.

bugkiller