Christianity in Britain Losing Ground to Islam, Secularism

[Caesars Ghost]

Kind of makes you wonder where you fit on His list -- somewhere near the bottom, if at all, I shouldn't wonder...

What a vile personal attack that is.
I regret even opening this thread so that such hate can exercise itself here.

This series of excellent talks will give you all the info you need re. the infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood into both sides of the political spectrum in the US.

Muslim Brotherhood in America, Part 1: The Threat Doctrine of Shariah & the Muslim Brotherhood - YouTube

Thank you for taking the time to search for and add that to this discussion. I'll look it over. However, I'm going to ask staff to close this thread. I feel responsible for the evil that's unleashed itself here and it's not fair to those who are it's target to allow that to continue to feed in something I initiated without even thinking that would come to roost.
I can ignore it but it's not right that it still has a refuge.

Thank you for your understanding.

 

[TLK Valentine]

What a vile personal attack that is.
I regret even opening this thread so that such hate can exercise itself here.

Never as much fun on the business end, is it? Spiritual warfare goes both ways.

Would you prefer to hear it in the words of Charles Dickens? oddly appropriate, given the season.

" 'Man,' said the Ghost, 'if man you be in heart, not adamant, forbear that wicked cant until you have discovered What the surplus is, and Where it is. Will you decide what men shall live, what men shall die?

It may be, that in the sight of Heaven, you are more worthless and less fit to live than millions like this poor man's child. Oh God! to hear the Insect on the leaf pronouncing on the too much life among his hungry brothers in the dust.' "

 

[marshlewis]

What a vile personal attack that is.
I regret even opening this thread so that such hate can exercise itself here.

Hold on, isnt this thread about the inevitable Islamic takeover of great briton?. Its going to, by definition, have hate parading around in religious camoflage. pointing it out should not offend anyone.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Hold on, isnt this thread about the inevitable Islamic takeover of great briton?. Its going to, by definition, have hate parading around in religious camoflage. pointing it out should not offend anyone.

Funny how it's always "evil" when the opponent starts fighting back, isn't it?

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Muslims may make up only a relatively small amount of the UK population but many of them show worrying opinions:



ICM Polling (link via ukpollingreport)

• 40% of British muslims support Sharia law
• 14% of British muslims thought it was right to storm the Danish embassy on account of the Mohammed cartoon controversy
• 12% agreed it was right for muslims protesters to carry cards calling for the execution of those depicting cartoons of Mohammed

NOP Social research 2006 (link)

• 30% of Muslims polled said they would prefer to live under Sharia Law
• 28% of Muslims (including 17% who "strongly agree") would like to see Britain become an Islamic state
• 78% of Muslims agree people who publish cartoons depicting Mohammed should be punished. 68% agree British people who insult Islam should be prosecuted.
• However 62% disagree that free speech should be allowed even if it insults other people
• 17% of Muslims believe the WWII Jewish holocaust has been greatly exaggerated and 2% denied that it ever happened. 23% hadn't even heard of it
• 45% believe 9/11 was a conspiracy between the USA and Israeli government
• 22% believe the 7/7 bombing were justified (it's also worth noting the bombers themselves were all British-born)

What is strange about this particular set of data is that while the majority of UK Muslims condemn acts of terrorism in principle, many of them see acts of terrorism which have actually happened (such as 7/7 and 9/11) as being justified or the fault of others.


IKWRO (link)

• Over 2,800 women were thought to have been victims of "honour killing" in the UK in 2011.

Brin.ac.uk (link)

• Despite making up only between 4-5% of the total population of Britain, Muslims make up 12% (around 9,975 inmates) of the prison population . Post-incarceration converts make up about 30% of muslim prisoners (or 2,992 inmates).

We may debate the reasons behind these statistics, but I think the fact that 4-in-10 Muslims profer sharia law to UK law, over 1-in-5 believe that the London bombings were justified, and nearly half of Muslims believe 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy means something has gone very wrong. And we can't deal with it by automatically labelling people who point out these worrying trends as "racists".



(Especially since Muslims are a religious group and not a race ...)

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

(Especially since Muslims are a religious group and not a race ...)

Actually for the sake of fairness I should point out certain trends do seem to be more racially rather than religiously-based.

Around 6% of young British Asians aged between 16-34 agreed that women who defy the family "honour" should be physically punished, and 3 to 4% agreed that it would be permissable to kill her. This was the same among Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and Christians. So the problem here seems to be more about race (they were all Asian) rather than religion.

"Honour Crimes" brin.ac.uk (March 2012)

 

[Bethesda]

• However 62% disagree that free speech should be allowed even if it insults other people
• 17% of Muslims believe the WWII Jewish holocaust has been greatly exaggerated and 2% denied that it ever happened. 23% hadn't even heard of it
• 45% believe 9/11 was a conspiracy between the USA and Israeli government

There would be a worrying % of people here who'd also hold to the above judging from some of the "Jews are liars and deceivers" type comments I have seen from some here never mind all the WTC conspiracy stuff

 

[Bethesda]

By sheer birthrate alone, Europe will be Islamic in a few decades.

Coupled with the rise and rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Middle East, and the talk of new Islamic Caliphate centred in Turkey, we are in for a very sharia future.

perhaps people should be encouraging birth control amongst Muslims!

 

[Bethesda]

The government demonstrated incredibly poor judgment in disarming the people under it's care.
I've heard about the Daily Mail before. And the one paper, maybe the Mail, who has a centerfold woman in most every issue? Quality journalism!

It's a shame that people think stopping law abiding citizens from owning firearms is what will make for a peace filled non-violent environment. Rather than realizing it sends an alert to the criminal element that it's open season due to a reduction in self defense options amid their prey.

The thing is though that we never had a culture of arming for self defence like the US has even when firearms laws were laxer. The move to tighten laws came from the public not something foisted on them - British people like booze, sex, football - not guns. Given that even still the vast majority of police don't want guns, having a public more heavily armed than the police would never happen. Plus the aspect of holding weapons to protect ourselves from the govt is not in the thoughts of most Brits - the army has in effect toppled a few unpopular kings and soldiers are our sons, brothers and husbands so to speak. Even in the Middle Ages and later when every male was required to train with the bow and attend Trained Band musters, it was the Kings themselves were encouraging this - they didn't see having a male population that could use a long bow as threat to them and their armoured knights - might sound odd and counter intuitive but archery wasn't practised in sceret - it was the basis of being able to generate an army under the feudal system. Most knife crime takes place in environments where having a gun would make no difference anyway in terms of having the time to draw it and the main victims are other teenagers who would in general not be people who would be eligible to have a gun.

 

[Caesars Ghost]

Hold on, isnt this thread about the inevitable Islamic takeover of great briton?. Its going to, by definition, have hate parading around in religious camoflage. pointing it out should not offend anyone.

My original intent was to post the article that someone else wrote.

Having no knowledge of the state of affairs in GB prior, I thought to share it in this forum due to it being deemed as news.
Intolerance, hate, yes! Those will rear their heads in in the topic itself. However, personal attacks don't do any more than make it appear that the hate and intolerance that may have been at the heart of generating the article authors observations, are seemingly contagious. And in a Christian forum!
I prefer to think hate isn't pervasive. And I certainly prefer not to be the one that inspired it to take root in some, by having a thread I thought to add for debate on an issue turn into an attack field on a member or members.

Thank you for understanding the difference.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

Sounds like Britian is beginning to experience what the US is experiencing; an increas in Muslims and those who disagree with traditional Christianity.

 

[TLK Valentine]

My original intent was to post the article that someone else wrote.

And what did you hope to accomplish by doing so?

Having no knowledge of the state of affairs in GB prior, I thought to share it in this forum due to it being deemed as news.

An honest mistake.

Intolerance, hate, yes! Those will rear their heads in in the topic itself. However, personal attacks don't do any more than make it appear that the hate and intolerance that may have been at the heart of generating the article authors observations, are seemingly contagious. And in a Christian forum!

The times, they are a'changin'. Great Britain is getting more and more citizens from some of its former colonies -- did anyone not see that coming?

And surprise, surprise -- they bring their customs with them. Color me shocked.

And now that it is, what shall be done about it?

I prefer to think hate isn't pervasive. And I certainly prefer not to be the one that inspired it to take root in some, by having a thread I thought to add for debate on an issue turn into an attack field on a member or members.

Alright then, let's debate -- You've posted an article; the rest of us have made some comments concerning the truth or possible lack thereof in said article.

Myself, I'm willing to assume the article is true -- Great Britain is turning more and more Islamic. So what?

Ball's in your court, now.

Thank you for understanding the difference.

So let's get back on the topic -- British Muslims are on the rise in GB.

and...?

 

[Creech]

America in 1776:

America today:

Looks entirely different to me -- am I the only one who thinks it's an improvement?

So you think having less white people is an improvement? I am not very enthusiastic about the United States looking like a mini United Nations.

 

[Illuminaughty]

So you think having less white people is an improvement? I am not very enthusiastic about the United States looking like a mini United Nations.

Why?

 

[TLK Valentine]

So you think having less white people is an improvement?

I said no such thing -- my only point is that the US looks entirely different now as it does then.

Of course, you immediately noticed "less white people". . .

I am not very enthusiastic about the United States looking like a mini United Nations.

. . . and immediately saw that as a problem.

Funny that.

 

[spiritualwarrior77]

Myself, I'm willing to assume the article is true -- Great Britain is turning more and more Islamic. So what?

How naive!

Do you know anything about Islam?

Here's a brief primer...
The goal of Islam is to convert the entire world to Islam.
This is done via sword or covert means.
They are very successful at this are making huge strides in the Middle East via sword and in the West via convert means.

Your "so what" indicated you are either uninformed or don't mind wearing a burqa and submitting to sharia.

This doco will give you the truth about what Islam is really about.

Islam - What the West Needs to Know (full) - YouTube

This excellent series of talks will show you how successful the have infiltrated the West.

Muslim Brotherhood in America, Part 1: The Threat Doctrine of Shariah & the Muslim Brotherhood - YouTube

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Myself, I'm willing to assume the article is true -- Great Britain is turning more and more Islamic. So what?

I wonder if the same people who say "So what?" when they hear that Britain is becoming more Islamic are the same people who get in such a twist when they hear about creationism being taught in schools in the US or the church refusing to allow gay marriage ... ?

 

[TLK Valentine]

How naive!

Do you know anything about Islam?

I know a few things about it...

Here's a brief primer...
The goal of Islam is to convert the entire world to Islam.
This is done via sword or covert means.
They are very successful at this are making huge strides in the Middle East via sword and in the West via convert means.

Sounds like people who manage to get things done -- unlike certain Christians I know...

How have you been doing with the conversions, friend? Don't you have a Great Commission or something to be working on?

Your "so what" indicated you are either uninformed or don't mind wearing a burqa and submitting to sharia.

Being male (you do pay attention to these things, don't you? Talk about uninformed!) I think I'd look pretty silly in a burqa (although I will say I'm not fond of the thought of growing a beard -- it itches), and as for submitting to sharia, well, let me ask you a question:

How is the big bad sharia going to make my life miserable in any way, shape, or form that you wouldn't do if the Establishment Clause wasn't an obstacle?

On the surface, it sounds like you're in a panic -- so why do I sense jealousy underneath it all?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I wonder if the same people who say "So what?" when they hear that Britain is becoming more Islamic are the same people who get in such a twist when they hear about creationism being taught in schools in the US or the church refusing to allow gay marriage ... ?

They probably are -- those people have been fighting tooth and nail against religious fascism for quite some time now... the only time anyone else notices is when it's some other religion's fascism makes some headway. Afraid of a little competition, perhaps? Worried someone might convert the masses before they get the chance?

I wonder if that's what gets religious types in a twist over "Islamification" or "Creeping Sharia..." seeing first hand that not only are they not the only flavor of religious batguano crazy out there... but that someone else is better at pushing it than they are.

 

[Illuminaughty]

I wonder if the same people who say "So what?" when they hear that Britain is becoming more Islamic are the same people who get in such a twist when they hear about creationism being taught in schools in the US or the church refusing to allow gay marriage ... ?

What religion people practice in private is up to them. When people start trying to use tax funds to pay for religious indoctrination that's a different matter.