medical students boycotting lectures on evolution

[someguy14]

I see nothing here that has anything to do with proof of anything.

I ask you to give me proof that prayer can move a mountain. You tell me that some old stories claim a bunch of other non-mountain-moving things, and this is proof. I tell you that this isn't proof. You claim that it is, you start grooving about how wonderful you think God is, and then claim it is more proof. And now this.

Land is mountain. God created the earth, Genesis speaks of this.

 

[someguy14]

The Bible has failed every single test I've seen. Such as the bit where it promise that if you have even a small amount of faith you can make a mountain move simply by praying to it. And I think there's a bit in there about how venomous snakes can't hurt you and you can drink poison and survive.

God can overcome poison also. God can do all things, for he alone, is God. We are also promised that a time will come where they will no longer endure sound doctrine and the only sign given will be of the story of Jonah(Jonas). The resurrection and forgiveness of wicked deeds payed in full is merciful, glorious and good. Some attempt to say an eye for an eye. Judgement belongs unto God alone. The Lord will repay. Love for one another conquers every wickedness. That is wisdom. Say yes unto your attacker, your thief, your users and abusers, for God is aware of all and is complete control. Happy is the man that gives cheerfully. Understand, that this knowledge is from God alone and thank Him, for He loves you.

 

[someguy14]

On the contrary, he chose to put the forbidden fruit in Eden, he chose to create a Serpent (specifically designed to be cunning and tempting), he chose to make it so that, if Eve ate of that fruit, then all of humanity would be doomed to Hell.

Think about that. God - not man or woman - set the universe up. God - not any human - decided to make it so that all humans would be destined to a life of suffering and an afterlife of eternal suffering, if Eve ate a piece of fruit. He not only decided this, but he decided to create forbidden fruit in the first place, and to create a creature specifically designed to tempt the nascent individuals.

Sounds to me like a set up.

Understand, the serpent chose to create himself. God has a purpose for all. Those that chose to rebel against God have fallen, making their position in Heaven no less important. God has a purpose for those positions and those that rejected them have given them up, eternally. They desire them back, yet are in turn rejected. Mankind is given a choice. Choose good or choose wicked. Wickedness leads to the throw away. Goodness leads to God. One must understand, God is all goodness itself. Life. Existence. A human is known by his fruit. A wicked tree cannot produce good fruit, neither a bad tree produce good fruit.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Understand, the serpent chose to create himself.

Seriously, why is anyone still bothering?

 

[someguy14]

Why can't we ever talk about real science in here?

Real science. Start typing. I havn't heard any refuse that. Don't play a martyr scientist. Present it. Cells and dna and mixing chemicals...go on. The ones that truely seek after a discussion about such won't neglect until lied to. Present your intrigues.

 

[someguy14]

Seriously, why is anyone still bothering?

I can understand your doubt. Let's break it down. John 8:44, the father of it. The father of it refers to creator of it. The devil created evil. The pearls are in fact valuable, so don't waste them.

Yes, the pearls are valuable and aren;t to be wasted of those that refuse them. God is eternal though, and will never leave His own. "I will never theee nor forsake thee." Take a stand, God has already won.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Understand, the serpent chose to create himself.

St. John would seem to disagree:

"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." - John 1:3

God has a purpose for all. Those that chose to rebel against God have fallen, making their position in Heaven no less important. God has a purpose for those positions and those that rejected them have given them up, eternally. They desire them back, yet are in turn rejected. Mankind is given a choice. Choose good or choose wicked. Wickedness leads to the throw away. Goodness leads to God. One must understand, God is all goodness itself. Life. Existence. A human is known by his fruit. A wicked tree cannot produce good fruit, neither a bad tree produce good fruit.

So an atheist who does good things (feed the hungry, heal the sick, etc) is, in fact, more 'Christian' than a televangelist who preaches hate?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

That is up to you. IF God has something you want, then go for it. If you feel He has nothing to offer then keep on doing what your doing. That is your choice.

So, from a Christian point of view, it really doesn't matter if I convert or not? That is, Heaven is a purely optional thing?

As far as I know all Christians believe in eternal life. That means a resurrection. I do not think many are annihilationists. God is still a God of justice. No one gets away with anything. They still suffer for their sin. But at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ all those who are not saved or redeemed are thrown into the lake of fire and that is the second death. No one comes out of there alive. The Bible says almost nothing directly about what happens to people in the lake of fire. So I can see why that would be a problem for people.

If someone murders someone else, then becomes a genuinely Christian and genuinely repents, etc, do they get off because they converted?

If someone gives to charity, heals the sick and preaches love and equality, but is a lifelong Hindu (born and raised), do they suffer for being a Hindu?

 

[Tiberius]

God can overcome poison also. God can do all things, for he alone, is God. We are also promised that a time will come where they will no longer endure sound doctrine and the only sign given will be of the story of Jonah(Jonas). The resurrection and forgiveness of wicked deeds payed in full is merciful, glorious and good. Some attempt to say an eye for an eye. Judgement belongs unto God alone. The Lord will repay. Love for one another conquers every wickedness. That is wisdom. Say yes unto your attacker, your thief, your users and abusers, for God is aware of all and is complete control. Happy is the man that gives cheerfully. Understand, that this knowledge is from God alone and thank Him, for He loves you.

Are you willing to put your beliefs into practice and drink some poison to show us?

Uh huh. I thought not.

 

[46AND2]

Are you willing to put your beliefs into practice and drink some poison to show us?

Uh huh. I thought not.

Not only that, those verses say that drinking poison and holding snakes will accompany and be a sign of those who believe.

Of course, that section of Mark was added later by scribes. And they have known that for 50+ years...yet is still found in most Bibles today. Funny...and they complain about Haeckel's embryos.

 

[Jamin4422]

If someone murders someone else, then becomes a genuinely Christian and genuinely repents, etc, do they get off because they converted?

I never got away with anything I did before I became a Christian. I still suffered and paid the price for it. I just leaned how to do good so I no longer had to suffer for breaking the law.

If someone gives to charity, heals the sick and preaches love and equality, but is a lifelong Hindu (born and raised), do they suffer for being a Hindu?

If you do good then you reap the benefit of doing good. Lots of atheists live the christian life because they believe in the value of living a good healthy clean lifestyle.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I can understand your doubt. Let's break it down. John 8:44, the father of it. The father of it refers to creator of it. The devil created evil. The pearls are in fact valuable, so don't waste them.

Then give us real ones, not fake.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

What you'll never understand is that if God is all-powerful, then He's also all-responsible. he can do all things, except one. He cannot hide from His responsibility.

 

[Tiberius]

If you do good then you reap the benefit of doing good.

And what exactly is this benefit? Is it eternal life in Heaven?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I never got away with anything I did before I became a Christian. I still suffered and paid the price for it. I just leaned how to do good so I no longer had to suffer for breaking the law.

If you do good then you reap the benefit of doing good. Lots of atheists live the christian life because they believe in the value of living a good healthy clean lifestyle.

So, why be a Christian at all? There seems to be no reason to actually be a Christian, or to try to convert others to Christianity. There's no penalty after death, and there's no penalty in life.

So all those Christians who preach that all non-believers suffer for eternity, that non-believers are inherently worse people, etc... they're as wrong as wrong could be?

 

[Jamin4422]

And what exactly is this benefit? Is it eternal life in Heaven?

There are rewards. The Bible calls them crowns. Actually that part is a good deal. Jesus pays our debt yet we still receive our rewards for the good we did.

 

[Tiberius]

So what, we get a bunch of pretty metal hats?

"Look, Tiberius, you've been a nice guy on Earth, but your an atheist, so I can't let you into heaven. But here, have some pretty metal hats."

Or is crowns a metaphor?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

So what, we get a bunch of pretty metal hats?

"Look, Tiberius, you've been a nice guy on Earth, but your an atheist, so I can't let you into heaven. But here, have some pretty metal hats."

Or is crowns a metaphor?

And if so, a metaphor for what?

 

[Jamin4422]

So, why be a Christian at all?

That is what Paul said in the Bible. If all we have is this life then why not eat, drink and be merry. But for me there is plenty of reason to be a Christian here in this life. You already put my statement in your sig. If I was not a Christian then this life would not be worth living. I could not make it with out God's help and without His comfort and support. I don't understand how non christians make it on their own apart from God.

 

[Tiberius]

That is not what I said. I does not make any sense because you do not understand the resurrection. Nor do you want to understand the resurrection. You do not want eternal life so why are we even having a conversation about something your not interested in?

Yes, it is what you said.

You said, and I quote, "Anything that old is a valid artifact."

I am saying that the Shroud of Turin, which is about 800 years old, cannot possibly be a valid artifact for an event that happened 2000 years ago. The shroud didn't exist until about 1200 years AFTER the events you claim it is an artifact of!

And when faced with this, you backpeddle and redefine the term "artifact" so that you can claim that the shroud is an artifact because, and again I quote you, "the Shroud still tells the story about the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ."

You seem to be deliberately distorting what words mean to change the meaning of what you said. By your logic, this:

is an artifact of the American Revolutionary War.

Do you see the problem there?

 

[Tiberius]

Land is mountain. God created the earth, Genesis speaks of this.

Again, you don't seem to understand this concept of "Proof" or even "evidence."