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Scientific Noah's flood.
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Geology seems to be a part of their program:
Module 3: Physical Science and Creationism
- Course 1 - Science and Common Sense
- Course 2 - Science and Issues of Origins
- Course 3 - Science and Geology
- Course 4 - Science and Radiometric Dating
- Course 5 - Science and the Fossils
- Course 6 - Science and the Flood of Noah
- Course 7 - Science and Problems with the Big Bang
- Course 8 - Science and Our Universe of Wonder
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Internet scientists maybe, people who have legitimate degrees in physical earth science, no way.
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Ah, okay, so let's see...
If we have a number of sediment layers like this:
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Then you are telling us that you can describe how layer A was created by the global flood (even though it would mean that none of the other layers were made by the flood), OR you can tell us how Layer G was created by the global flood.
But only one of the layers was created by the global flood.
Is that right?
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After all, you get this one right.
However, it does not exclude the possibility that a few successive layers could also be created by the single global flood, if they were all deposited by the flood water.
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This alone makes me wonder if they even know what science is. Geology is a science and when they separate science from geology than I know something is afoot. The list alone betrays a totally anti science stance and anyone studying there will certainly come out knowing even less about science than when he went in.
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It still leaves you with a BIG problem.
Let's say Layer A was caused by the flood. According to you, Layer G also looks like it could have been caused by the flood - even if it wasn't. it HAS to look like it could have been caused by the flood because you've said any particular layer can be explained by a flood. So we have Layer G which LOOKS like it could be caused by the flood, even if it wasn't.
However, we can turn it around and say Layer G was the one caused by the flood. Then it would be Layer A that only looked like it was caused by the flood, even if it wasn't.
So we can have layers that look like they were caused by the flood, even if they were caused by totally different phenomena.
So how do you know ANY of them were made by the flood? By your own admission, any layer can LOOK like it was caused by the flood without necessarily being caused by the flood!
(And anyway, what particular features indicate that a particular sediment layer could be caused by the flood?)
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My answer is given to the question: where is the sedimentary rock layer created by the global flood? Use your example, my answer means it could be formation A or formation G.
You asked: which one exactly? I say: It does not matter. May be one of them, or may be none of them. The key idea is: THERE COULD BE ONE, somewhere. The emphasis is on the possibility of its existence.
The question I answered is actually an ignorant one given by one who does not know sedimentology and has no vision on how would a global flood look like. A global flood should not create a sedimentary layer which is different from any known sedimentary layer, precluded formation of subaerial origin.
So, the blue-colored question is actually a much better one. The answer is: It does not need to have any "particular" feature.
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There are many types of sedimentary strata. The process in which they are formed are well known, especially those of flood deposits which also form under various conditions.
If a global flood had occurred it would leave a unique depositional characteristic that would be the same age in the same place in the geologic column world-wide. Virtually every formation on earth has been closely examined as well as millions of wells and boreholes drilled world-wide. No such unique layer has ever been found. Additionally, such a catastrophic event would leave significant evidence in the paleontological record. No such event exists.
And don't forget, the field of geology grew out of the quest for the search of evidence of Noah's flood. Even those early naturalists concluded there was no evidence.
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Actually Noah's flood took place on a known flood plain. So there was plenty of evidence. Just no evidence for a world wide flood.
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OF COURSE Noah's flood was NOT Global. The only way you can say that Noah's flood was Global is to say: "Science can take a hike". My argument is not against science. My argument is against people that do not practice good science. Or the people that pervert science. The very thing science is trying to weed out.
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Noah's flood occured around 4300 years ago. For you science types there is a real problem here. That date is based on Noah being 600 years old.WOW!
We agree on something. Where do you think it occurred?
The Semitic people were not the only people living in the Euphrates River Valley. There were Sumarian people living there at that time also (4300 years ago). Archeology knows about the people living there at that time. They call it the mesopotamia valley. The Sumarians had clay tablets, so they had written langague. In fact the Semitic people got their written language skills from the Sumarians. There were bilingal people alive at the time. Also they would trade with people hundreds of miles away. At one point in time pottery began to show up that was made in a oven that was know to be 300 miles away from Mesopotamia. Although actually long distance trade of up to 300 miles had been around as far back as 30,000 years ago. So we know lots and lots and lots about these people outside of what we learn about them in the Bible.
When you read about the people that were alive back then I wonder about the Bible and their attitude toward these people. Like Cain was worried that he would be killed. The Bible often has a lot of negative stuff to say about the other people alive back then. Yet you look at these people, like in Babylon and the buildings they lived in were amazing. Like in Egypt the Hebrews were making brick, but the Egyptions were building out of huge stones that weight a lot. They cut those huge stones with rather crude tools.
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Yup, that date is a problem unless you can show where a large regional flood occurred then with physical evidence. I'm unaware of any but open for suggestions.
Until such time, the only thing I can entertain is the breech of the Bosphorus Straight where the Mediterranean Sea poured into the Black Sea increasing it's size by 1/3 some 7600 years ago. Keep in mind that the Gilgamesh epic which precedes Noah's, describes a similar deluge. I'm not claiming that is so, just that it is a candidate with real physical evidence.
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And here's the very first...
You don't start with the conclusion. As you clearly have. You start with the evidence. From the evidence you build a working hypothesis. Now, I'm not aware of any combination of the evidence known to us that would suggest that the earth was, at any time, under water. Or that life as we know it was bottlenecked down to just a few animals who landed in the Middle East and fanned out from there.
It's not suggested, it's not indicated, it's not likely, it's not possible for oh-so many reasons and lastly if all copies of the Bible had been lost there's no way we'd every come up with the story again.
If all human records were destroyed for some reason whoever came after us would eventually puzzle out evolution all over again. They'd figure out physics. They'd get ballistics and chemistry. They'd figure out moles and the speed of light. They would learn about genetics. DNA would one day rear it's head. All of science would be discovered again.
The stories in the Bible would NOT be found again. Things like the story of Noah would in no way ever be parsed from the evidence around us because the evidence does not suggest such a thing ever happened.
Without the Bible to TELL you these things took place you would not believe it today. Why you believe it over the evidence in front of you... I have no idea.
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