Finally!

[OldWiseGuy]

Armed customer shoots dollar store robber, killing him


By NBC News staff
A Jacksonville, Fla., dollar store customer shot and killed a robber Monday night, ActionNewsJax.com reported.

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According to the report, the customer -- a 57-year-old grandfather -- and two store employees were inside the Dollar General store Monday around 9 p.m. when two armed men entered the store with the intention to rob it.
"One of them had the clerk and one of them was at the front cash register,” Lt. Rob Schoonover of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office told Jacksonville.com.
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The customer, who has a concealed weapon permit, shot and killed one of the intruders, FirstCoastNews.com reported.
"There was a citizen who had a concealed firearms permit that was inside the store as a customer," Lt. Schoonover told WOKV.com. "He fired at the suspect, striking him and killing him."

The man was found dead when police arrived at the scene. No charges are pending against the shooter, WOKV.com said.

“He’s always been a marksman,” the man's wife told Jacksonville.com. “He shoots in competitions, but this is the first time he’s ever killed anyone and I don’t know how he’ll handle that.”


This man may have saved the lives of all three of them. Bully I say, BULLY! That said we should also pray for him as well.

"It's a helluva thing, killin' a man. You take all he has and all he's gonna have." (Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven.)

 

[selfinflikted]

Finally! ..?

 

[Darkhorse]

Yes, finally the news reports it. When I was young, the evening news in San Diego reported about 2 incidents like this every night. That all changed in 1968 when the liberal media decided that guns were bad and would only be portrayed in a bad light from then on...

The good guys have always been there, but we usually only hear about the bad ones.

 

[Git]

"Finally?" You must be a deranged. There is nothing great in loss of life that was caused because everyone in the US seems to have a gun and their dogs seem to have some too and their dogs' squeaky toys seem to have at least a handgun as well.

 

[Stoneghost]

Guessing you never killed anyone before.

 

[chilipepper]

Yes, that's all good and well. I'm not really complaining that this man killed a robber who was an immediate threat to several people. But let's take this same man and place him and his gun in, say a dark, crowded, smoke-filled movie theater where hundreds of people are running scared, and the shooter is wearing full body armor, and see how much better this man and his gun make the situation. I don't think the government should ban guns, but I don't think every citizen being armed will solve the mass shootings that have been happening across the country either. Yes, sometimes private citizens with guns can stop bad situations. But let's not forget that private citizens with guns are the cause of these situations in the first place.

 

[Git]

I think that what they should ban from civilians would be high powered military grade weapons that can be used to outmatch even the police. Handguns are a so-so in my opinion and should be regulated more heavily for property protection and guard + police protection. I have nothing against hunting weapons since a hunting rifle/shotgun has no way of making such damage as an assault rifle and you can't conceal hunting weaponry like you can do with handguns.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes, finally the news reports it. When I was young, the evening news in San Diego reported about 2 incidents like this every night. That all changed in 1968 when the liberal media decided that guns were bad and would only be portrayed in a bad light from then on...

The good guys have always been there, but we usually only hear about the bad ones.

You are right, but it's usually the shop owners and not a customer that dispatches a robber. This man is a hero, all the screaming and jumping up and down by the anti's notwithstanding.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I think that what they should ban from civilians would be high powered military grade weapons that can be used to outmatch even the police. Handguns are a so-so in my opinion and should be regulated more heavily for property protection and guard + police protection. I have nothing against hunting weapons since a hunting rifle/shotgun has no way of making such damage as an assault rifle and you can't conceal hunting weaponry like you can do with handguns.

Slug loaded shotguns and most larger caliber big game rifles are as or more damaging shot for shot than any assault rifle. The difference is that a true 'assault' weapon is full auto capable. Not many of those in civilian hands.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes, that's all good and well. I'm not really complaining that this man killed a robber who was an immediate threat to several people. But let's take this same man and place him and his gun in, say a dark, crowded, smoke-filled movie theater where hundreds of people are running scared, and the shooter is wearing full body armor, and see how much better this man and his gun make the situation. I don't think the government should ban guns, but I don't think every citizen being armed will solve the mass shootings that have been happening across the country either. Yes, sometimes private citizens with guns can stop bad situations. But let's not forget that private citizens with guns are the cause of these situations in the first place.

If this fellow had been in that theatre he would have returned fire as best he could. The killer would have had to focus on him which would allow others to escape. The killer wouldn't have any better visibility either and probably would have sought cover as well. It wouldn't have taken long for our guy to see that the shooter was wearing body armor and would have directed fire at his head. Based on his experience he would have had some chance of taking the shooter out.

If someone like him was at that McDonald's in San Diego years ago he might have prevented twenty one people from dying. We need more like him out there.

 

[JustMeSee]

I am pleased that the robbery was stopped, but find no pleasure in the loss of life.

 

[chilipepper]

If this fellow had been in that theatre he would have returned fire as best he could. The killer would have had to focus on him which would allow others to escape. The killer wouldn't have any better visibility either and probably would have sought cover as well. It wouldn't have taken long for our guy to see that the shooter was wearing body armor and would have directed fire at his head. Based on his experience he would have had some chance of taking the shooter out.

If someone like him was at that McDonald's in San Diego years ago he might have prevented twenty one people from dying. We need more like him out there.

Because what we really need in a mass shooting situation is more bullets flying around. Besides, once this man starts shooting, what's to stop another person from seeing another shooter, taking his gun, and firing on this man? Or when the police arrive, how are they going to know who the "real" shooter is? Most people are going to be too focused on getting out of there to stick around and say who started shooting first. Not to mention eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, especially in the heat of the moment. It's not easy to identify who started shooting first in that kind of chaos. In the confusion, more innocent people can be killed. I'm not saying that the OP situation was bad or that the man was wrong. But let's not use this as some shining beacon to answer any mass shooting situation.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Finally?

Great, a guy died knocking off a dollar store.... lets celebrate.

It's incredible you could possibly celebrate the death of anyone... Sure, the robber shouldn't have been doing what he was doing, however the suitable punishment for his crime was a couple years behind bars, not death.

 

[Darkhorse]

You are right, but it's usually the shop owners and not a customer that dispatches a robber. This man is a hero, all the screaming and jumping up and down by the anti's notwithstanding.

Yes, it was almost always the business owner or homeowner. Carry permits were hard to get in California, and they still are - and their high crime rate shows it!

 

[Darkhorse]

when the police arrive, how are they going to know who the "real" shooter is? Most people are going to be too focused on getting out of there to stick around and say who started shooting first. Not to mention eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, especially in the heat of the moment. It's not easy to identify who started shooting first in that kind of chaos.

The police find out who the "real" shooter is by finding whose bullets are imbedded in the victims. The "bad guy" will hit several people at random; the "good guy" will focus on the "bad guy", and probably hit no one else. Unless the "good guy" is a New York City cop; then the entire theater is in danger!

 

[morningstar2651]

Armed customer shoots dollar store robber, killing him


By NBC News staff
A Jacksonville, Fla., dollar store customer shot and killed a robber Monday night, ActionNewsJax.com reported.

Follow @NBCNewsUS
According to the report, the customer -- a 57-year-old grandfather -- and two store employees were inside the Dollar General store Monday around 9 p.m. when two armed men entered the store with the intention to rob it.
"One of them had the clerk and one of them was at the front cash register,” Lt. Rob Schoonover of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office told Jacksonville.com.
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The customer, who has a concealed weapon permit, shot and killed one of the intruders, FirstCoastNews.com reported.
"There was a citizen who had a concealed firearms permit that was inside the store as a customer," Lt. Schoonover told WOKV.com. "He fired at the suspect, striking him and killing him."

The man was found dead when police arrived at the scene. No charges are pending against the shooter, WOKV.com said.

“He’s always been a marksman,” the man's wife told Jacksonville.com. “He shoots in competitions, but this is the first time he’s ever killed anyone and I don’t know how he’ll handle that.”


This man may have saved the lives of all three of them. Bully I say, BULLY! That said we should also pray for him as well.

"It's a helluva thing, killin' a man. You take all he has and all he's gonna have." (Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven.)

Hooray for justifiable homicide. It's always great to have a reason to murder someone at the grocery store.

 

[acropolis]

I am pleased that the robbery was stopped, but find no pleasure in the loss of life.

I agree.

 

[chilipepper]

The police find out who the "real" shooter is by finding whose bullets are imbedded in the victims. The "bad guy" will hit several people at random; the "good guy" will focus on the "bad guy", and probably hit no one else. Unless the "good guy" is a New York City cop; then the entire theater is in danger!

And when the police arrive and find two men with guns shooting, what then? Or what of my other example, Person A drawing a gun on the shooter, and then Person B drawing a gun on Person A, mistaking him for another ill-meaning shooter? Suddenly there are three times as many bullets flying around. And what happens when the 'good guy's' bullets are found embedded in victims too? Who's to say he will not hit anyone else? There are people running and screaming. There are trained snipers who wouldn't have been able to get off a good shot in that theater in Aurora. But the average private citizen could, right? Any old average Joe with a gun can make a head shot, perfectly, every time. Please. You're not going to convince me that having twice as many bullets flying is good in every situation. How about we not wait until the killer has his guns drawn and people are running and screaming to try and stop it? How about we try and stop mass shootings before they happen? How about not letting private citizens have access to assault weapons?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Hooray for justifiable homicide. It's always great to have a reason to murder someone at the grocery store.

Justifiable homocide isn't murder.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And when the police arrive and find two men with guns shooting, what then?

Had to stop you right there. By the time the police arrive it would all be over.