An Argument for the Existence of the Christian God

[InSpiritInTruth]

Where the blatant falsehoods of it are repeated uncritically by Christians who try and avoid their responsibility when they repeat it, yes.

Consider it streamlining the Great Commission - which you're failing.

It is not my responsibility for you to believe in the Word of God, it is just given for me to speak it.

How can I fail if I speak the Truth? It is those who reject the Truth that fail themselves, because they deem themselves unworthy of eternal life by resisting the Spirit of Truth sent forth from God.

But wether God's Word is received of men or not, all of God's saints shall receive honor and glory through God's own righteous judgments.

The Word of God is like a double edged sword, as it cuts both ways. It has the power to deliver from the bondage of sin and death when believed upon. But it also has the power to bind up, and destroy when not believed upon.

But either way it is not those who preach the gospel of Jesus Christ that have failed, but those who do not believe in Him.

Psalm 149:6-9

King James Version (KJV)

6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the Lord.

 

[Gadarene]

It is not my responsibility for you to believe in the Word of God, it is just given for me to speak it.

How can I fail if I speak the Truth?

Because in that particular instance at least, IT IS NOT TRUE, champ.

Stop talking in Bible verses, you might get somewhere.

 

[Noxot]

It is not my responsibility for you to believe in the Word of God, it is just given for me to speak it.

How can I fail if I speak the Truth? It is those who reject the Truth that fail themselves, because they deem themselves unworthy of eternal life by resisting the Spirit of Truth sent forth from God.

But wether God's Word is received of men or not, all of God's saints shall receive honor and glory through God's own righteous judgments.

The Word of God is like a double edged sword, as it cuts both ways. It has the power to deliver from the bondage of sin and death when believed upon. But it also has the power to bind up, and destroy when not believed upon.

But either way it is not those who preach the gospel of Jesus Christ that have failed, but those who do not believe in Him.

Psalm 149:6-9

King James Version (KJV)

6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the Lord.

eternal life. you want it and I don't. glory, rewards. how shallow!

torture me, make me suffer. because I don't wanna look like you. I know you can't grasp the utter immorality of this but it just shows how horrible God seems and how you are, because you don't even care about the sufferings of others, you only care for your own. and that is pathetic beyond measure.

god can destroy me all he wants, it was his choice since he has freedom and power over me. but I will do whatever I want because I will make sure I become as destroyed as I can. you are so lucky i am not willing to harm others like satan is. if anyone deserves it, it is those that don't care for those who are daily suffering because God has to get his way.

the truth is that most religious people are horrible hypocrites beyond measure and willing to kill steal and destroy to feed their vice.

 

[mathetes123]

eternal life. you want it and I don't. glory, rewards. how shallow!

torture me, make me suffer. because I don't wanna look like you. I know you can't grasp the utter immorality of this but it just shows how horrible God seems and how you are, because you don't even care about the sufferings of others, you only care for your own. and that is pathetic beyond measure.

Sin is what causes the world to suffer. Jesus came to address the problem of sin. He gave each of us free will to choose.

 

[trientje]

If you want people to actually listen to you, calling them fools, corrupt and liars (especially when many of them are none of the above) is not a good approach.

Keep up.

We aren't calling you fools, God is. And if you do not believe in God then whats the problem? It shouldn't phase you in the least bit that an imaginary God calls you a fool.

 

[Noxot]

Sin is what causes the world to suffer. Jesus came to address the problem of sin. He gave each of us free will to choose.

to be honest it's not much free will at all when the choice is COMPLY OR SUFFER

i will stand against this tyrant even if no one else does. because when the creator says: defective = kill it and hurt it and condemn it, you know it's not worth having a leader such as that.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Because in that particular instance at least, IT IS NOT TRUE, champ.

Stop talking in Bible verses, you might get somewhere.

I am a champion in Christ (that part is true!) But I will not put down the sword of the Spirit for it is the power of God.

I suppose if I came in the name of man you might believe? But sorry I do not. I come in the name of the Father, for I know His Word is True.

John 5:43-44

King James Version (KJV)

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

 

[mathetes123]

to be honest it's not much free will at all when the choice is COMPLY OR SUFFER

i will stand against this tyrant even if no one else does. because when the creator says: defective = kill it and hurt it and condemn it, you know it's not worth having a leader such as that.

Your choice, not His. His desire is that all would be saved. You would not say this if you truly knew Him. He has already suffered on your behalf.

 

[trientje]

to be honest it's not much free will at all when the choice is COMPLY OR SUFFER

i will stand against this tyrant even if no one else does. because when the creator says: defective = kill it and hurt it and condemn it, you know it's not worth having a leader such as that.

So God is a tyrant? Sorry, you can call him names, shake your fist at him, judge him according to your standards but he is still your God and always will be and no amount of blasphemy or fist shaking will ever change that.

 

[Gadarene]

So God is a tyrant? Sorry, you can call him names, shake your fist at him, judge him according to your standards but he is still your God and always will be and no amount of blasphemy or fist shaking will ever change that.

If he was a tyrant it also wouldn't change that.

 

[trientje]

I am a champion in Christ (that part is true!) But I will not put down the sword of the Spirit for it is the power of God.

I suppose if I came in the name of man you might believe? But sorry I do not. I come in the name of the Father, for I know His Word is True.

John 5:43-44

King James Version (KJV)

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Because in that particular instance at least, IT IS NOT TRUE, champ.

Stop talking in Bible verses, you might get somewhere.

Your statement reminded me of Hebrews 4:12- God's word is sharper than a doule-edged sword. His word can cut through our spirits and souls and through our joints and marrow, until it discovers the desires and thoughts of our hearts.

The concept of the Word being sharper than any two-edged sword compares to the opposing ways in which God's word can be received by a person's conscience. It can be received with gladness or as though it were an attack.

 

[Noxot]

Your choice, not His. His desire is that all would be saved. You would not say this if you truly knew Him. He has already suffered on your behalf.

typical that you blame me, the abused and hurt one. choice is not choice if I have to either jump in fire or get raped. if he wants me to be saved then he has to be better than eternal torments. i will never follow a god that makes his own creatures made in his image to suffer. his followers seem to remind me of the way i think god is, because they are pretty heartless people that do not consider the one that suffers. the worse part is that they think they are caring and loving people and yet look how they treat outsiders!

AWWW I DON'T WANT YOU TO SUFFER BUT OBEY ME OR I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU SUFFER. << does not sound very caring.

go ahead and pretend that i don't know him. you don't know me at all. you are just another typical bible believing christian, that is your dress satan made you as you parade as a christian but inside your heart speaks things that are worse than the things I speak. filthy like a frog. half the problem are Christians that don't know him but constantly beat people on the head with words instead of spirit. it's nothing more than a humanstic way of treating others, not at all an otherworldly loving kindness.

where is the love in making other people suffer? I live in a nightmare where my very creator hates me and so do his hateful servants. this is my reality now. I WISH I WOULD WAKE UP FROM THIS NIGHTMARE AND GO TO THE ONE THAT I LOVE AND THAT LOVES ME.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Your statement reminded me of Hebrews 4:12- God's word is sharper than a doule-edged sword. His word can cut through our spirits and souls and through our joints and marrow, until it discovers the desires and thoughts of our hearts.

The concept of the Word being sharper than any two-edged sword compares to the opposing ways in which God's word can be received by a person's conscience. It can be received with gladness or as though it were an attack.

That is correct. God's Word can be a blessing when received and believed upon, but also a curse when rejected by man. Just as Moses also spake by the Spirit when he told the children of Israel that this day he had set before them both a blessing and a curse depending on how they received the Word of God.

 

[mathetes123]

typical that you blame me, the abused and hurt one. choice is not choice if I have to either jump in fire or get raped. if he wants me to be saved then he has to be better than eternal torments. i will never follow a god that makes his own creatures made in his image to suffer. his followers seem to remind me of the way i think god is, because they are pretty heartless people that do not consider the one that suffers. the worse part is that they think they are caring and loving people and yet look how they treat outsiders!

AWWW I DON'T WANT YOU TO SUFFER BUT OBEY ME OR I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU SUFFER. << does not sound very caring.

go ahead and pretend that i don't know him. you don't know me at all. you are just another typical bible believing christian, that is your dress satan made you as you parade as a christian but inside your heart speaks things that are worse than the things I speak. filthy like a frog. half the problem are Christians that don't know him but constantly beat people on the head with words instead of spirit. it's nothing more than a humanstic way of treating others, not at all an otherworldly loving kindness.

where is the love in making other people suffer? I live in a nightmare where my very creator hates me and so do his hateful servants. this is my reality now. I WISH I WOULD WAKE UP FROM THIS NIGHTMARE AND GO TO THE ONE THAT I LOVE AND THAT LOVES ME.

It's not a out you or me but about Him.

 

[Noxot]

That is correct. God's Word can be a blessing when received and believed upon, but also a curse when rejected by man. Just as Moses also spake by the Spirit when he told the children of Israel that this day he had set before them both a blessing and a curse depending on how they received the Word of God.

yes that all ties in with the "you can't blame God for making you good or evil" and with the way God treated pharaoh in the time of moses. ( when it says that "God hardened Pharaohs heart" )

 

[Noxot]

It's not a out you or me but about Him.

if it is all about him then he should have never created me in the first place.

 

[trientje]

typical that you blame me, the abused and hurt one. choice is not choice if I have to either jump in fire or get raped. if he wants me to be saved then he has to be better than eternal torments. i will never follow a god that makes his own creatures made in his image to suffer. his followers seem to remind me of the way i think god is, because they are pretty heartless people that do not consider the one that suffers. the worse part is that they think they are caring and loving people and yet look how they treat outsiders!

AWWW I DON'T WANT YOU TO SUFFER BUT OBEY ME OR I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU SUFFER. << does not sound very caring.

go ahead and pretend that i don't know him. you don't know me at all. you are just another typical bible believing christian, that is your dress satan made you as you parade as a christian but inside your heart speaks things that are worse than the things I speak. filthy like a frog. half the problem are Christians that don't know him but constantly beat people on the head with words instead of spirit. it's nothing more than a humanstic way of treating others, not at all an otherworldly loving kindness.

where is the love in making other people suffer? I live in a nightmare where my very creator hates me and so do his hateful servants. this is my reality now. I WISH I WOULD WAKE UP FROM THIS NIGHTMARE AND GO TO THE ONE THAT I LOVE AND THAT LOVES ME.

go ahead and pretend that i don't know him.

Do you know God? Do you believe in him?

I live in a nightmare where my very creator hates me and so do his hateful servants.

We don't hate you. And God doesn't hate you. He loves you. Why do you say he hates you?

I WISH I WOULD WAKE UP FROM THIS NIGHTMARE AND GO TO THE ONE THAT I LOVE AND THAT LOVES ME

Sir, and where is the one that loves you?

 

[Noxot]

So God is a tyrant? Sorry, you can call him names, shake your fist at him, judge him according to your standards but he is still your God and always will be and no amount of blasphemy or fist shaking will ever change that.

all I asked for was obliteration. but God won't give it to me. he keeps making me exist in this place that i don't want to be at. I would kill myself but then God will put me in a worse place. I have no escape, all I can do is suffer his plan because I have no other choice.

 

[mathetes123]

all I asked for was obliteration. but God won't give it to me. he keeps making me exist in this place that i don't want to be at. I would kill myself but then God will put me in a worse place. I have no escape, all I can do is suffer his plan because I have no other choice.

Why do you say your creator hates you? He suffered and died for you on the cross. He loves you more than you can know.

 

[trientje]

Why do you say your creator hates you? He suffered and died for you on the cross. He loves you more than you can know.

What place are you in that you don't want to be in?