An Argument for the Existence of the Christian God

[Noxot]

Do you know God? Do you believe in him?

I live in a nightmare where my very creator hates me and so do his hateful servants.

We don't hate you. And God doesn't hate you. He loves you. Why do you say he hates you?

I WISH I WOULD WAKE UP FROM THIS NIGHTMARE AND GO TO THE ONE THAT I LOVE AND THAT LOVES ME

Sir, and where is the one that loves you?

how can you say that you don't hate me and then agree with God that i should suffer forever? if you think someone should suffer forever then it goes to figure that you hate them. god don't love me because he will condemn me. so the only one I want is me and I don't want to exist either. but i have to be here in this horrible place with the very creatures that i fell away from God with. If I am alone and only with myself then no one can help me hurt anymore and I can be happy if reality is altered and I don't have to have anything at all if I do not exist I wish God would delete me so that i can quit going through all of this that i don't want to be with and experience. I don't want anything at all in the end but to not exist. but God keeps making me exist and will torture me forever. I hope i'm wrong I hope hell is deletion I want it right now. if only death was the end I can kill myself and be free. there needs be no reason I just need to end and I don't want any good version of me to exist either.

 

[Noxot]

Why do you say your creator hates you? He suffered and died for you on the cross. He loves you more than you can know.

I will not fall for that anymore. there is no need to suffer on a cross to help me, it only shows me how much God enjoys suffering. he died on the cross for me to die and not be myself. i'm constantly condemned for being myself.

I don't show people that I love them by dying on a cross and suffering.

 

[mathetes123]

What place are you in that you don't want to be in?

Not sure what you are asking?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

yes that all ties in with the "you can't blame God for making you good or evil" and with the way God treated pharaoh in the time of moses. ( when it says that "God hardened Pharaohs heart" )

Pharaoh was already evil, the Lord just gave him over to his own ways.

Ezekiel 18:25
Yet ye say, The way of the LORD is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?


Ezekiel 18:29
Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the LORD is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?

Ezekiel 33:17
Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.

Ezekiel 33:20
Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

By what measure you mete, it also shall be measured unto you.

 

[Noxot]

Pharaoh was already evil, the Lord just gave him over to his own ways.

Ezekiel 18:25
Yet ye say, The way of the LORD is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?


Ezekiel 18:29
Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the LORD is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?

Ezekiel 33:17
Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.

Ezekiel 33:20
Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

By what measure you mete, it also shall be measured unto you.

i used to think God not being a giver upper was a good thing but now it is just more suffering to look forward to. in time the machine will crush me and grind me into the earth again.

but that is right. I accuse God. now where is his answer? show up in a whirlwind to condemn me and make me hurt or don't show up at all. both pain to me. there is no healing solution. i don't need to be healed I need to be deleted.

 

[Gadarene]

We aren't calling you fools, God is. And if you do not believe in God then whats the problem? It shouldn't phase you in the least bit that an imaginary God calls you a fool.

You are choosing to repeat it, which makes you complicit in the idea.

I know that there's no reason to think a God actually said that verse - that's not really much comfort when a bunch of conned humans are repeating it.

 

[Gadarene]

I am a champion in Christ (that part is true!) But I will not put down the sword of the Spirit for it is the power of God.

Except when it's wrong.

 

[Gadarene]

all I asked for was obliteration. but God won't give it to me. he keeps making me exist in this place that i don't want to be at. I would kill myself but then God will put me in a worse place. I have no escape, all I can do is suffer his plan because I have no other choice.

Not to label you unnecessarily, but I think the term that describes your point of view is dystheist or misotheist.

Not sure how much writing there is on that though.

 

[trientje]

You are choosing to repeat it, which makes you complicit in the idea.

I know that there's no reason to think a God actually said that verse - that's not really much comfort when a bunch of conned humans are repeating it.

I still don't understand because you seem to be upset about the verses we have quoted. Once again, if you do not believe then whats the big deal?

 

[trientje]

i used to think God not being a giver upper was a good thing but now it is just more suffering to look forward to. in time the machine will crush me and grind me into the earth again.

but that is right. I accuse God. now where is his answer? show up in a whirlwind to condemn me and make me hurt or don't show up at all. both pain to me. there is no healing solution. i don't need to be healed I need to be deleted.

Sir, do you mind telling us what is happening with you? What is going on in your life to make you feel so despondent?

 

[Gadarene]

I still don't understand because you seem to be upset about the verses we have quoted. Once again, if you do not believe then whats the big deal?

You're saying you wouldn't find being falsely accused of being a liar, corrupt, and a fool not insulting?

Do I really have to spell this out?

It doesn't matter whether or not the god you attribute the verses to exists - YOU ARE THE ONES WHO BELIEVE IT AND CHOSE TO MAKE THE INSULT. That is the problem here.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

i used to think God not being a giver upper was a good thing but now it is just more suffering to look forward to. in time the machine will crush me and grind me into the earth again.

but that is right. I accuse God. now where is his answer? show up in a whirlwind to condemn me and make me hurt or don't show up at all. both pain to me. there is no healing solution. i don't need to be healed I need to be deleted.

Jesus Christ is the answer, He is the one who will release you. He came into this world to deliver us all from the power of the enemy. God truly loves you, and wants you to seek Him by faith.

Greater love has no man than this, than he who would lay down his life for another. God gave us the life of Jesus because He truly loves us, and wants us to be reconciled back to Him through the sacrifice of His Son on the cross.

The Lord can chastise, and even rend the heart; but the Lord can also bind up the wounded and heal the broken hearted.

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

[mathetes123]

You're saying you wouldn't find being falsely accused of being a liar, corrupt, and a fool not insulting?

Do I really have to spell this out?

It doesn't matter whether or not the god you attribute the verses to exists - YOU ARE THE ONES WHO BELIEVE IT AND CHOSE TO MAKE THE INSULT. That is the problem here.

Can I ask you for what purpose you are posting on a Christian website. You are clearly not hear to learn about Christianity. Should Christians be insulted that you have chosen to post under the name gadarenes which is taken from verses about a demon possessed man. You do understand, don't you, that Jesus saved that man and he went on to tell others about Jesus. Are you here to tell others about what Jesus has done for you?

 

[Gadarene]

Can I ask you for what purpose you are posting on a Christian website. You are clearly not hear to learn about Christianity.

You're clearly not here to teach it, only to justify insulting people, apparently.

Should Christians be insulted that you have chosen to post under the name gadarenes which is taken from verses about a demon possessed man. You do understand, don't you, that Jesus saved that man and he went on to tell others about Jesus.

Sure. And given that, why are you insulted about it?

Make up your mind, won't you?

Are you here to tell others about what Jesus has done for you?

In the sense of finding out that Christianity wasn't all it was cracked up to be? If the situation arises I'll certainly mention it

 

[mathetes123]

You're clearly not here to teach it, only to justify insulting people, apparently.

Sure. And given that, why are you insulted about it?

Make up your mind, won't you?

In the sense of finding out that Christianity wasn't all it was cracked up to be? If the situation arises I'll certainly mention it

Once again you are doing the same thing you are accusing others of doing.

 

[Gadarene]

Once again you are doing the same thing you are accusing others of doing.

Which hardly makes them in the right either, does it?

Try not posting your little Bible-verse flames, and see how you get on with the non-believers next time.

Nice dodge of pretty much everything I wrote, btw. Again, something I've come to expect from Christians.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You're saying you wouldn't find being falsely accused of being a liar, corrupt, and a fool not insulting?

Do I really have to spell this out?

It doesn't matter whether or not the god you attribute the verses to exists - YOU ARE THE ONES WHO BELIEVE IT AND CHOSE TO MAKE THE INSULT. That is the problem here.

You are the one who is saying the Word of God is not true. Therefore you are the one who is calling God a liar. If you think the Lord's servants will sit idle while you blaspheme God and His Word then you are sadly mistaken.

 

[mathetes123]

I will not fall for that anymore. there is no need to suffer on a cross to help me, it only shows me how much God enjoys suffering. he died on the cross for me to die and not be myself. i'm constantly condemned for being myself.

I don't show people that I love them by dying on a cross and suffering.

Don't take it from me or anyone else. I think you have some misconceptions about God from sources that have misrepresented Him. If you want the truth, pick up a copy of the Bible and read it for yourself. It has the answers you are seeking.

 

[Gadarene]

You are the one who is saying the Word of God is not true. Therefore you are the one who is calling God a liar.

How can I do that when I don't think he exists? It's obvious his ghostwriters were wrong, but that is to be expected, they were humans trying to justify their religion!

If you think the Lord's servants will sit idle while you blaspheme God and His Word then you are sadly mistaken.

Get used to it.

And I don't care if you want to call an entire group of people liars because of whatever nonsense you believe - it's still incorrect, and will be pointed out wherever the claim is made.

 

[Gadarene]

Don't take it from me or anyone else. I think you have some misconceptions about God from sources that have misrepresented Him. If you want the truth, pick up a copy of the Bible and read it for yourself. It has the answers you are seeking.

You're assuming that he hasn't read it.