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Proof that God exists?
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So what? A person can NOT control who they are attracted to.
A gay man is going to be attracted to men. He can avoid acting on it. But that won't change the fact that he only finds men attractive. He can even sleep with a woman. But that doesn't change the fact that he is gay.
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We weren't talking about sexual orientation we were talking about choice. Oh forget it, I don't have time for this. Do you feel that you are being an arsh?
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Sorry...It looked to me like the part of the discussion I responded to was about choice of sexual orientation. If not, my bad.
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Archaeopteryx
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Well, you kept implying that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. So we are talking about sexual orientation and whether one chooses who one is attracted to or not.
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Oh, I think I see what trientje is saying. I think she may agree with us that people are not given a choice regarding their sexual orientation, but she is only concerned about what they do with that sexual orientation.
Some people are born with this urge that happens to be the incorrect one, and they should repress it, for acting on it would constitute sinful behavior.
Is this your view trientje?
Some people are born with this urge that happens to be the incorrect one, and they should repress it, for acting on it would constitute sinful behavior.
Is this your view trientje?
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I'm saying that man is born with free will, They have the choice as to how they will act. when discussing this I didn't bring the bible into it or moral judgement cause to an theist the bible means nothing to them and the morals dictated in the bible means nothing to them. The atheist makes his own moral code based on his own individual thoughts about what he thinks is right and wrong. " Some people may be born with this urge" that hasn't been proven.
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Oh, so you still contend that people are not born homosexual, they're born straight?
Shoot, you were getting closer. One step forward, two steps back, I guess.
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So you don't know either way at this point? That's fair. I respect that.
Where does your belief that homosexual acts are sinful come from, biblically speaking?
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biblically speaking? Yes, but discussing my beliefs knowing they come from the bible is irrelevant. the bible means nothing to you, so why discuss the bible?
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If God has spoken regarding homosexuality, then that truth exists idependently of whether people believe it or not or whether other Christians agree with trientje or not.
I am quite sure that there were Christians who believed the earth was flat, some that the earth was round. Just because some did not agree that the earth was round with those who maintained that it was, did not make the earth not round!
And let me even go on to say that the Bible in several places condemns not only homosexuality but fornication outside of the confines of marriage and other perverse sexual sins.
There are Christians, however, that still engage in these practices. In fact, several epistles in the New Testament speak to these very subjects and all who were committing these indecent acts were encouraged to renounce them and deny their sinful lusts and devote themselves to a holy, pure life.
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Elioenai26
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God has spoken chiefly through His Son, Jesus Christ. And Christ has His own in the world who speak for Him.
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Seeing as Jesus is God, I don't really see the difference.
And who are those that speak for him? I'd like to meet them.
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I've heard that God speaks not only through every human being, but all of the rest of life as well. I've seen that happen a lot.
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Anyone who is familiar with the bible (most of the atheists here) could do the same.
The thing is, you may be harboring a particular belief that the Bible doesn't even advocate.
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