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The UFO Deception - Satan's Pretribulation Rapture By Spaceship

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Cliff notes:
.Satan is behind the pretribulation rapture deception
.Satan plans on counterfeiting Jesus' return using spaceships as part of the UFO deception.
.Satan will rapture away many deceived pretrib believing Christians


Excerpt from: Will Satan Fake A Pretribulation Rapture Using Spacecraft | johnthewitness

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Lets examine the exact passages which are used to support the claim that Ezekiel had an encounter with a UFO.


16The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. (Ezekiel 1:16)


The wheel within a wheel is translated as the wheel in the middle of a wheel. The Hebrew word tavek is the word from which “in the middle” is translated. It means “midst” or “middle.” The Bible goes on to state that the wheels have the appearance of Beryl or Chrysolite. Chrysolite or Beryl is a gemstone that is yellowish green in color and is translucent. This means that light passes through it, and one can see images through the material from the other side. This does not sound like a solid metallic spaceship like many would claim. What then is it?


Is Ezekiel symbolically encoded? We kill cover this in detail later in depth, but one should realize that Ezekiel chapter 1 is written very similarly to Revelation. In Ezekiel, we find the same terminology which points to a deeper meaning only revealed through symbol. Could these wheels be figurative, or it not completely figurative, could they point us towards the deeper reality of what these wheels actually were?


Does wheel symbolize anything in the Bible? Yes, wheel is used to represent a whirlwind


Whose arrows are sharp, and all their bows bent, their horses’ hoofs shall be counted like flint, and their wheels like a whirlwind: (Isaiah 5:28)


The Hebrew word which is translated wheel also means whirlwind.


Strong’s H1534 – wheel, whirl, whirlwind, whirling


We see in Job 38:1 that God spoke through a whirlwind.


Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, (Job 38:1)
A different whirlwind in the Bible provides us another clue.


And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2 Kings 2:11)


How interesting! Elijah was taken up to heaven in a whirlwind. This whirlwind aka wheel serve as a portal into heaven. As stated earlier, this wheel was translucent meaning people could see through it. This would be a probable aspect of a supernatural portal created by God. Now imagine a large ethereal yellowish green translucent wheel in your head, then imagine a smaller wheel within the midst of the larger. Note that the wheel’s in Biblical times were solid and did not have spokes. What does the picture in your mind’s eye look like to you? A portal!


Ezekiel was first introduced into the scenes outlined in Ezekiel 1 through a whirlwind, “And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.” (Ezekiel 1:4) All of Ezekiel’s communications with God and his interactions with the cherubim happened after coming into contract with this whirlwind. This whirlwind seems to definitely be some sort of an archaic imagery describing a portal. When Ezekiel’s breaks his correspondence with God he does this to the sounds of a great rushing (Ezekiel 3:13). Why would he hear a great sound of rushing ending his communication with God? Is this rushing the sound of travel through the portal?


Lets take another look at the scenes that unfolded around Ezekiel after coming in contact with the whirlwind.


“…And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it… This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD.” (Ezekiel 1:26-28)


Ezekiel saw the LORD’s throne. He then say the LORD himself. How would this be possible unless Ezekiel was seeing through, or had himself gone through a portal?


Notice that John also spoke of seeing the heavenly throne and the one sitting upon it. How did he get there? Through a door. A doorway acts as a portal from one place to another.


After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. (John 4:1-2)


Many people claim that the creatures in Ezekiel were spacecraft. Were they really?


5Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. 6And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. (Ezekiel 1:5-6)


Many claim that the wings of the creatures were aircraft wings. These wings are not described as massive metal wings. The word from which wings is translated is the Hebrew word Kanaph, it means “bird wing, edge, border, corner, shirt.” If these wings were some sort of spaceship wings, one would think that he would described them as massive and metal. We are given nothing in the description to indicate that these wings were radically different from ordinary flesh and blood wings.


Lets take a closer look at these four winged creatures in Ezekiel chapter 1.


5Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. 6And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings...their wings touched one another. Each one of them went straight forward, without turning as they went. (Ezekiel 1:5-6,9)


Now lets compare the creatures of Ezekiel 1 to the cherubim of 1 Kings 6:27.


27And he set the cherubims within the inner house: and they stretched forth the wings of the cherubims, so that the wing of the one touched the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the midst of the house. (1 Kings 6:27)


Its safe to say that these winged creatures were the cherubim angels, not aircraft or spaceships. These four winged creatures sound remarkably similar to the cherubim in Solomon’s Temple.


Another chapter of Ezekiel provides more clues. Within Ezekiel 10 we are presented with a remarkably similar vision to the one in Ezekiel 1 (the study of this article). Within this vision, Ezekiel directly identifies these four winged creatures as cherubim (Ezekiel 10:18-21). These cherubim are the same sort of angel as Satan (Ezekiel 28:14). Ezekiel later states that these Cherubim are, indeed, the same creatures spoken of in Ezekiel 1 (Ezekiel 10:15). Therefore, these winged creatures are not aircraft, they are angels.


The Bible states that they have the appearance of a man.
“Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man” (Ezekiel 1:5)


Hebrews states that humans have entertained angels unaware. “Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares” (Hebrews 13:2).


If these are angels, then why are they described with seemingly non-angelic imagery? For example, these creatures are described as having brass feet. “And their feet were straight feet… and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass” (Ezekiel 1:7). As mentioned above, Ezekiel 1 is written symbolically in the same way that revelation is written symbolically. In fact, the very description used of the creatures feet were also used of Jesus’ feet in Revelation. “And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.” (Revelation 1:15). This is not literal, brass is used to represent judgement against sin. (Deut 28:22-23). Feet is used to represent conduct or action. (Job 29:15, Psalm 119:101, Psalm 119:105). So this passage is stating that these angelic creatures mission involved judgement regarding sin. Concerning the symbolic description of the angels, if one were to take the description of the feet of the creatures as being brass as God providing evidence that these creatures are UFO’s, then, by the same logic, one could say the same thing about Jesus, as he was described in the same manner.


Do clouds symbolize UFO’?


The following passage, which details Jesus’ second coming, provides us further insight into Satan’s plan. ”And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory ” (Luke 21:27). The passage states that Jesus will be returning in a cloud. Satan will undoubtedly seize this opportunity to redefine clouds as Spaceships. This is a clever deception because the Bible describes clouds that, if ones imagination is vivid enough, can be given Spaceship characteristics.


And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night; (Exodus 13:21)


Note that the above passage describes a pillar of cloud which lead the Israelites during the day time. A pillar of fire then lead them during the night. Satan knows that a UFO with red lights could perhaps be described as a pillar of fire. There are several other examples of Biblical clouds which could purposely be misconstrued as UFOs.


And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight (Acts 1:9)


While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. (Matthew 17:5)


If the Biblical clouds were really UFOs, then would the authors really describe these UFOs as clouds? A shiny metal saucer shaped object does not look like a cloud! How would the ancients have described a UFO? Luckily, Alexander the Great saw a UFO. This is how he described it:
“Alexander the Great was not the first to see them nor was he the first to find them troublesome. He tells of two strange craft that dived repeatedly at his army until the war elephants, the men, and the horses all panicked and refused to cross the river where the incident occurred. What did the things look like? His historian describes them as great shining silvery shields, spitting fire around the rims… things that came from the skies and returned to the skies.” Edwards, Frank. Spies in the Skies. Ch 72: n.p., 1959.
These ancient UFOs were described as silvery shields. This description is certainly more appropriate than clouds. Why wouldn’t the ancient Israelites describe UFOs using similar terminology? The ancient Israelites used shields and were familiar with their form.




If the clouds of the Bible are really UFOs, then why would the Bible describe a UFO as being “pillar” shaped?



“And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the Lord talked with Moses” (Exodus 33:9).



UFOs are flat and saucer shaped. How could anyone mistake the distinct shape of a UFO for a pillar? A pillar shaped cloud, one that stretches from heaven to earth, would make sense for a method of transportation for God.
And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. (Exodus 19:16-17)


The above passage describes a supposed spaceship cloud as thick. This is terminology used to describe normal clouds of water vapor. One would hardly describe a spaceship as “thick.” Wide would be a more appropriate term to describe a metallic spacecraft.
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I doubt he will rapture people in spaceships.

If you want to know the overall plan - look at 2Thess 2 - or google Maitreya.

Will he use the UFO stories? I am sure he will.

You may also want to google for "ancient astronauts" to see how pagan gods and the UFO storyline merge.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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There MAY be an pre-tribulation rapture, if there is, it will be a limited number of saints. Well, a specific number - 144,000 of them. If this rapture occurs visibly, boy oh boy, there will be a serious shift in politics on this planet. It would certainly be a nice move by Satan to trick people into believing that this rapture is from Satan, when it is actually from God. God always selects firstfruits from among men. He selected 12 apostles for his first 3.5 yr ministry, he may select 144,000 for his second 3.5 yr ministry. These will be resurrected from their graves into eternal life as personal body guard/warriors to fight at the side of Christ during is campaign to reclaim his kingdom. Near the end of the war the rest of the saints will be resurrected and raptured to be with him before he unloads his full wrath upon the kingdom of the antichrist.
 
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There MAY be an pre-tribulation rapture, if there is, it will be a limited number of saints. Well, a specific number - 144,000 of them. If this rapture occurs visibly, boy oh boy, there will be a serious shift in politics on this planet. It would certainly be a nice move by Satan to trick people into believing that this rapture is from Satan, when it is actually from God. God always selects firstfruits from among men. He selected 12 apostles for his first 3.5 yr ministry, he may select 144,000 for his second 3.5 yr ministry. These will be resurrected from their graves into eternal life as personal body guard/warriors to fight at the side of Christ during is campaign to reclaim his kingdom. Near the end of the war the rest of the saints will be resurrected and raptured to be with him before he unloads his full wrath upon the kingdom of the antichrist.

Hi, I believe that the firstfruits will die prior to the final 3.5 year period of "great tribulation."
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First we must discuss the difference between God’s firstfruits and the rest of the church. The firstfruits are the “Church of Philadelphia” spoken of in Revelation. God’s firstfruits represent the very elect of God’s church. Unlike the rest of the church, these will be killed during the 3.5 years that the antichrist and his End Times “Revived Rome” kingdom will be ruling earth:
“…And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months” (Revelation 13:5).


Will it be during this relatively peaceful period that the antichrist will wage war against God’s firsfruits? “Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation” (Revelation 13:7). This will be an era of “peace” because the antichrist will destroy by peace: “And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand” (Daniel 8:25).


It seems that the Bible implies that God’s firstfruits will be killed in this era of relative peace. This would have to happen before the final chaotic period of the seven year window since this chaotic period will be far from peaceful.
The following passage provides further evidence that the firstfruits will be killed in the era of years of relative peace, after the End Times kingdom arises, prior to the 3.5 year period of great tribulation.


8And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. 9But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. 10Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:11And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. 12But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake. (Luke 21:8-12)

This passage states that, before all of the horrible events of the chaotic period, many Christians will be persecuted. Since the rest of the Christians will be purified through the extremely chaotic period of time, we can therefore assume that the ones who are killed prior to this tumultuous time are God’s firstfruits. Matthew 24:7-21 also confirms this theory.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. 10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many…15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (Matthew 24:7-21)
As you can see, the people who are purified through the tribulation are different from those who are given up to the synagogues to be killed. Those who are killed in the synagogues are killed before the period of “great tribulation.”


Revelation 11 confirms our theory: “And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months” (Revelation 11:1-2). This passage is stating that God’s church has two different sects: the inner court and the outer court. The Gentiles will “tread” the outer court for a period of 3.5 years (Revelation 12:6, 12:14, Daniel 12:7, Daniel 7:25).


And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21:24).




The period where the outer court is being “trodden down” marks the start of the Gog and Magog war. The outer court will be enslaved and taken captive; they will be spiritually cleansed of all of their spiritual corruption in this period of “great tribulation.”


To summarize: the inner court is representative of God’s firstfruits; these are those who will come to realize the truth concerning all of Satan’s deceptions prior to the last 3.5 years of “Great Tribulation.” The inner court will be delivered up to the synagogues to be tortured and killed. The rest of the church, represented by the outer court, will need to be purified and spiritually cleansed through the tribulation.

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Ezekiel’s Temple And The Counterfeiting Of The Abomination Of Desolation | johnthewitness



Here is my view of the End Times timeline. I also compare it to how the deceived dispensationalists will view events. Satan has used Daniel 9:27, a passage which speaks about Jesus, to claim that it is the antichrist which will be spoken of. The abomination of desolation happens 1.5 years before the dispensationalists believe it will. I cover the timeline of these events in the above article^



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I doubt he will rapture people in spaceships.

If you want to know the overall plan - look at 2Thess 2 - or google Maitreya.

Will he use the UFO stories? I am sure he will.

You may also want to google for "ancient astronauts" to see how pagan gods and the UFO storyline merge.

in Christ,

Bob

Hi Bob,

I have been meaning to watch the History channel's ancient aliens series. Since Satan is ruler of this earth (john 16:11, Luke 4:5-6), it seems like the History channel shows these programs 24/7 in an effort to brainwash people into believing that aliens are our creators. I'm sure lots of insight can be seen into Satan's great plan by reverse engineering the propaganda.

I wrote an article that details the alien deception here:
Demons Will Pose As Aliens | johnthewitness

Most of it is information that has been covered by countless other people before me. Though, I do cover lots of eyewitness accounts of alien abductions, and compare these abduction accounts to sleep paralysis, succubus and incubus phenomenon.
 
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Hi Johh -

I agree with your conclusion that demons are behind it.

I will take a look at your link.

As for how they are currently trying to get all world religions to drift towards one central figure --

look at this

Who is Maitreya ? - YouTube

The Bible also predicts a kind of one-world-religion that is coming -- in Rev 13 with the same prediction of signs and wonders as the New Age guys are claiming with Maitreya.

So one wonders if this whole UFO storyline is not meant to play right along.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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A few years ago, i thought that Ezekiel had encoded the arrival of Satan on the earth. I still have the document and will post it here...
(and the large hadron collider was involved..one wheel upon the earth).

The Son of Perdition

Ezekiel 1:
4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

- Four is the symbol for the earth and creation and the living creatures have the appearance of a man.

6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.

- Four faces of the living creatures.

7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.

The living creatures have feet like a calf and they are a shining brass colour, (the bovid, and the young of the Ox); the foundation upon which the living creatures stand. Sparkling like polished brass is a reference to the angelic of heaven.

8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

- They had the hands of a man.

9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

- The living creatures move as a group together. Each living creature has two wings which are joined to the next living creature, a square form linkage.

10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

- The living creatures each had the face of a man facing forward and the face of a lion (Babylon) on the right side – and the face of an Ox on the left side,
- And each had the face of an eagle (United States). They moved in unison.

13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

- The living creatures have the appearance of orange glowing coals and fire, and light and lightening. There is also the appearance of lamps – torches - association with the fallen heralds. The orange light moves up and down, and out of the fire comes lightning bolts – association with the lightning bolt of Apollo.

14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

- They ran about on legs, and then returned as a flash of lightening – (lightning bolts again). The creatures are associated with Babylon and America.

15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

- One wheel is associated with the living creatures. A wheel is a circular ring and it is upon the earth.

16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl:

- Now there are plural wheels, and they are like beryl, and beryl is a hexagonal crystal varying in size of tiny to large, and is usually colourless.

and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

- The four of them had one likeness, (America and Babylon), they were alike, and the work they were doing was something like a circular ring, and another ring inside that ring.
- There are wheels by the side of each living creatures, four in total and one upon the earth, and to begin there is one wheel upon the earth. The four wheels are identical, and contained within the wheel is another wheel – something like the small hub of a wheel, but a small circular ring in the centre of the main larger circular ring.

17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

- They went around and did not change direction. The ring appears to have a square cross section, although four sides might allude to the earth, that they went up upon, their four sides – they are moving up onto the four sides of the earth, as four being a symbol like a cube-foundation within the earth, and in this case the surface of the earth.

- This is a particle accelerator, and they are accelerating small hexagonal particles.

18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

- ‘So high’ is high speed so dreadful, and eyes are associated with the devil-beast eyes, demonic eyes or demonic consciousness. This is something like spinning out ‘many eyes’- the formation of the ‘eyes’ of fallen angels. They go around and are closely associated with the four creatures.
- This is like a very peculiar ‘angel machine’. All the rings are dreadful, and all are full of eyes.

19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

This appears to be a type of fallen-angel consciousness displacement machine. They are being lifted out from under the earth (the abyss) and these ‘eyes’ are then moving within flying discs that move up into the air.
- a transport machine - they move the angel’s ‘energy particles’ or core of consciousness, up from under the earth, and then they produce flying discs within the larger circular disc, which then contains the angels ‘energy particles’ or consciousness, which then have liberty within the flying discs.

The particles are tiny hexagons (and the symbol of the hex is a major satanic symbol). Somehow they are spinning up and out these tiny demonic eyes, from under the earth into flying discs - they have worked out how to do this.

20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

- Wherever the fallen spirits were to go they could go, as they became fully mobile, and the fallen spirits were with both the wheels. They are in an ‘energy particle’ form, but they are fully mobile in the ‘wheels’.

21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

- ‘Stood’ is a reference to something standing up, in association with the wheels and the fallen spirits whizzing about. And a singular reference again in regard to the living creature.

22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

- The sky, or a likeness of the sky – (possibly a reference to trans-dimension space), was a colour of a terrible crystal, and the crystal is the beryl hex. The sky is full of the lights of these fallen entities.

23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.

- Appears to be like a futuristic aircraft, with forward and together pointing wings. ‘Under the firmament’ is a reference to the sky, so this is about flying in the sky.

24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of a host: when they stood, they let down their wings.

- appears to be like the ‘arrival event’, or prelude to the arrival, involving aircraft in the sky, and then landing; some sort of jet-helicopter with advanced morphing wings, and loud roaring jets and associated with an army and perhaps a loudhailer also

- ‘As the voice of the Almighty’ – ‘as’ and not – ‘the voice of the Almighty’– it is very loud, like rushing water, and a speech – perhaps something like an announcement that ‘the arrival’ is about to take place.

25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

- The voice was above these aircraft after they had settled on the ground; some sort of loudhailer system in the air.

26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

Likeness - this word is used repeatedly. This is a likeness of a throne, of the beast overhead, blue coloured. The man was sitting on a likeness of a throne, and rose up on the illuminated blue-white coloured throne.
Was the likeness as the appearance of a man, above upon it – a likeness, possibly indicating that this is an illusion or fake of some sort.
This is a counterfeit - a deception. There is the implication that there is illusion involved, but this event will be very convincing and deceptive.

27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

The colour of amber is a brownish-orange light and that is the colour of light that is usually associated with the devil and the beast. This light is illuminating the throne around and within.
The above verse (27) provides a deeper insight into what is happening – the arrival of the son of perdition.

These advanced jet helicopters will fly over and land, announcing the arrival.

28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spoke.
 
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i doubt there will be a false rapture.
i think Satan will come here himself, and pretend to be Christ.
but i think he will lie and say that the "rapture" is just not how we think it is.
i think he will pretend like he is Jesus, setting up THE Kingdom...and anyone that falls for it,
has the mark of the beast/apostasy.


and the maiitreya, i've been hearing of this supposed figure for year....nothing tangible
I believe he is fictional.


and Ezekiel saw God's Throne descdending.
it is the description of the "zoon", His living beings vehicle.
 
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i doubt there will be a false rapture.
i think Satan will come here himself, and pretend to be Christ.
but i think he will lie and say that the "rapture" is just not how we think it is.
i think he will pretend like he is Jesus, setting up THE Kingdom...and anyone that falls for it,
has the mark of the beast/apostasy.


and the maiitreya, i've been hearing of this supposed figure for year....nothing tangible
I believe he is fictional.


and Ezekiel saw God's Throne descdending.
it is the description of the "zoon", His living beings vehicle.

There's not going to be any false rapture because Satan doesn't have the power to change people in the twinkling of an eye.

Maitreya is the Hindu version of a messiah. It only has value in that Jesus said there would be false Christs and false prophets. Maitreya, false Christ; Benjamin Creme false prophet.


Doug
 
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Satan's Pretribulation Rapture By Spaceship... it's an interesting idea, but where's the evidence? What has Ezekiel's vision got to do with it? I had a similar idea a while back, that people would be fooled by aliens arriving on the earth, and people were being told that they were going off to heaven or a new earth in spaceships.
But that wouldnt be a pre-trib rapture. I also had the idea that Ezekiel's vision contained a coded message, and was about the arrival of Satan to the earth in a spaceship. If it's a coded message, then what's the point? as the message will never get out. A few people will post ideas on this forum, and that's all. What's the point of giving people divine revelations, if there is no one who will listen?
And also, i had the idea that the book of Job was encoded with a hidden message, about the sons of God. I still think that i could present good evidence for my thesis, but what's the point? No one would believe any of it. Perhaps one day i will be able to say.. i told you so! - when each one 'had his day alloted to feast in their houses', they were not feasting in their own houses, but their houses, the houses of the fallen angels, who were living on the earth at that time.
And they were not what we think of as angels, they were reptilians, cherubs, as like the clay figures found at Ur. But no one believes any of it. Perhaps if someone like John Hagee stood up and said that Job was going on about reptilians, he'd be carried off the stage.. but it might make for a more interesting sermon; or that bloke who blinks a lot, what's he called? Joel somebody with the biggest church in America... I'll stand in for him and tell the world that the book of Job has been encoded by God, and so has the vision of Ezekiel. And that is why Job was so worried about his sons and daughters, just because they were feasting in their houses? So what? Why was that such a sin? Because that is not what the story is about.. read it, the first part of Job, it's about the sons of God.

Johnthewitness here has not got the platform to do anything about divine revelations; write a book and not many people read it, unless it's a best seller like the left behind series, or Hal Lindsey's late great planet earth.
Go out on the streets like John the Baptist and no one will listen these days.
 
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Maitreya is the Hindu version of a messiah. It only has value in that Jesus said there would be false Christs and false prophets. Maitreya, false Christ; Benjamin Creme false prophet.


Doug
the Avatar Kalki is the Hindu version of their messiah in Hinduism! in Hinduism he is supposed to ride a white horse Which is interesting because Jesus in Revelations is Going to ride a white horse when he comes back, In my opinion the Kalki Trickery might play a role in the End times slightly
 
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for instance this could happen, jesus comes back Defeats the Armies of the antichrist and the false prophet On his white horse after that the Hindus might believe that jesus is one and the same as Kalki and jesus says to them you have follow the false Doctrine of Hinduism be gone from me for I never knew you , the kalki prophecy of Hinduism is a false Doctrine of satan he wants to take as many people to hell with him as possible at the last moment Even if Its a Few Hindus
 
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Maitreya, false Christ; Benjamin Creme false prophet.
For Maitreya to be a false christ he'd have to exist, but he doesn't. Creme's "Maitreya" is Creme lowering his voice and announcing that he's now "channeling Maitreya". Kinda like me doing my Obama imitation and people exclaiming "this old Asian redneck is channeling the president!" and then asking me political questions.
 
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Hi Bob,

I have been meaning to watch the History channel's ancient aliens series. Since Satan is ruler of this earth (john 16:11, Luke 4:5-6), it seems like the History channel shows these programs 24/7 in an effort to brainwash people into believing that aliens are our creators. I'm sure lots of insight can be seen into Satan's great plan by reverse engineering the propaganda..

I agree - there is a full court press going on promoting this story - see also the "Disclosure" movement and Dr Stephen Greer.

Look at the disclosure project and a whole host of government witnesses at the National Press club in 2010.

And going as far back as the 1940's we have this testimony - from a guy that got mixed up in a Satanist cult in Montreal in the 1940's for a short time and then left for Christianity.

The Greatest Deception at The End of Days - YouTube

Note the first one minute and 30 seconds of that 6 minute video.

Ben Rich - Lockheed Skunk Works director -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7ahst8TMww

If you follow that story as to "how they fly the ships" you find that that story leads right back to the first video discussing out of body experiences. It is what Ben Rich was referencing.

Obviously they are being fed a story the same way that Eve was fed a story about a snake "Evolving" by eating special fruit - by rebellion.

It cannot possibly be true in terms of what they are claiming to be and to do -- but then ... "deception" is the name of Satan's game and many many are snookered by it.

So there you have it - we have been warned about the enemy's plans - yet some would rather trust the enemy and distrust the whistle blowers.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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