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1550?
You have access to Paul's autograph, do you?

I ran this through the translator, and here's what came out:
Perhaps you could tell me if this stuff is Koine Greek or Classical Greek -- assuming it's even Greek?

The English translation of the above almost makes as much sense backward as forward.

For God's sake (literally), learn something about your own Bible. I'm not going to tell you why 1550 is a significant date in the history of the Bible. Go find out for yourself. You should know - you have no excuse for not knowing.

I'm an atheist, I'm no biblical scholar - although I had a classical education which means the NT is one of the best points of comparison for the differences between NT Greek and Classical Greek and the subtle and not so subtle differences. Maybe read the Origin of Species too, so you know what is you're actually knocking on our front too.

That you'd punch this text into Google translate and seriously comment on the results shows a catastrophic disrespect for the Bible itself that is completely at odds with belief in it.

You know, if I believed in a God, I'd at least afford Him the respect of looking more than superficially into what He was supposed to have written. I'd be ecstatic to do so in fact, given it's supposed to be His Word. There's really not that much to it, and it's not like you have to be able to speak Greek to at least appreciate the subtleties that lie within - subtleties that I enjoy looking into even as an ardent atheist. Whilst I reject the Bible as a moral basis or historical document, I can appreciate a great work of literature and one of the best preserved texts from a much earlier time in human civilization.

I can appreciate the inherent elegance and depth in a single word that has no direct translation into English, a language we think is so complete, yet the fact there can be concepts that have deep meaning only in the original language - beautiful.

The Biblical literalists, in their futile quest to disprove science and build museums to an allegory, have so often missed the beauty in the Bible that IS there, almost in its entirety - and many atheists miss it too in their all too quick dismissal of it.

How many other books do we actually have preserved in such a state from the 4th Century CE and beyond? It is a hugely important part of our history as a society, as errant as one might think it is in terms of teaching modern morality, as filled with contradictions and illogical reasoning as I think it is; to not know it, read it, and try to digest it, especially as it was written and not as it was interpreted by others, is to fail catastrophically.
 
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I'm an atheist, I'm no biblical scholar - although I had a classical education which means the NT is one of the best points of comparison for the differences between NT Greek and Classical Greek and the subtle and not so subtle differences.
What is 'NT Greek?'

Are you referring to Koine Greek?

(I sure hope so.)
 
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Without looking, tell me what "Koine" means or signifies. I'll know if you've looked it up.
LOL

The word itself, I believe, means 'common'; and it is the language of the common man.

Mark 12:37b And the common people heard him gladly.
 
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Yeah, you googled it. Thought so. There's a bunch of web pages using that exact phrase, "the language of the common man", which is too coincidentally worded to have been from your own understanding of the term.

eg.

basic.theology.forums > Greek


LOL

The word itself, I believe, means 'common'; and it is the language of the common man.

Mark 12:37b And the common people heard him gladly.
 
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So I wouldn't end up a theological noncognivist.

No you wouldn't, I'm not a noncognitivist, the very idea that learning the original languages sends you down that trail is beyond ludicrous, I know far more Christians that know the Bible inside and out in the original languages than I do atheists or noncgnitivists that know the same.
 
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Wasn't expecting that... or should I have, because it's you...

How interesting. I'd think you'd be interested in the originals of your holy book.
You have no idea what a KJVO is; do you?

When the men who actually wrote the Bible down in their own handwriting; those were called the AUTOGRAPHS.

Over time, the autographs decayed away; but they were meticulously copied into what is called the ORIGINALS.

Over time, the originals decayed, but they too were copied into more ORIGINALS.

Over time, sects appeared that didn't quite believe this or that, and they copied the originals into their own set of ORIGINALS.

So when you see in a Bible's foot notes, or marginal notes, or center-column references things like:

  • A better manuscript says...
  • The originals say...
  • A newer manuscript says...
... don't believe it.


The common people wouldn't touch these fake originals with a ten-foot pole.


That's why scholars find them, they were never used.
 
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Incidentally, I checked that verse on a hunch that you were wrong and it didn't ring true; and sure enough the adjective there is nothing to do with Κοινή - in fact it is πολύς (pronounced pollus) and it is rarely translated as that, a better translation would be the concept of 'many', 'great' or 'large' - the phrase is really referring to a 'large crowd'. The word is where we get the English root "poly-" from - e.g. polygon, polyurethane, etc.

LOL

The word itself, I believe, means 'common'; and it is the language of the common man.

Mark 12:37b And the common people heard him gladly.
 
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Yeah, you googled it. Thought so.
Are you kidding me, katzwork?

I've been saying this long before your name ever showed up here.
The autographs are the books of the Bible, written by the original author in his own handwriting.

When you sign your name, it is called your signature, but it is also called your autograph, which is anything you produce in your own handwriting.

Koine Greek is the Greek of the common people, and it is the style of Greek writing that the New Testament was written in.

(Koine means "common", and the Koine are the common people.)

Mark 12:37b And the common people heard him gladly.


The King James Bible came from the Koine Greek, whereas all other translations come from the Classical Greek.
There are two major documents we are taught to stay away from --- Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus for two good reasons:

  1. These are considered the oldest. Why? Because the common people never used them. Thus they were preserved by disuse.*
  2. Codex Sinaiticus was found in a trash can, and Codex Vaticanus was found locked in the Vatican, well out of reach of the common people.
* Whenever you see a footnote say "oldest manuscript says...", or "better manuscript says...", never rely on it - ever. The common people rejected these manuscripts and refused to use them.
In fact, it's basic doctrine among KJVOs.
 
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