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[Sadalmelik]

You believe what you want. I think they will do their duty as best they can. Being human is the best attribute for a dutiful jurist.

ya, and im sure you find the oj case, justice was served? and the casey anthony case, justice served? and thousands of other cases just like it, that dont get reported by the media, cause they arent 'sensational' cases. give me a break. ya, they must have been rocket scientists that served on those 2 juries.


and btw, i hate to enlighten you to this fact, but reverse discrimination exists, do you remember the black panthers statements in regards to all this? and dont write them off as a bunch of lunatics, there are many minorities that feel exactly the way they do. so whos to say they arent going to be on the jury? you are aware it only takes one to feel this way, to have a hung jury.

 

[Lovely Lane]

ya, and im sure you find the oj case, justice was served? and the casey anthony case, justice served? and thousands of other cases just like it, that dont get reported by the media, cause they arent 'sensational' cases. give me a break. ya, they must have been rocket scientists that served on those 2 juries.

Why do you say that I find justice in the OJ and Casey Anthony verdicts? I do not know the jurist education level or background in either case. But it appears to me that in the Casey Anthony the prosecutor's went with hype and innuendo because they lacked evidence.

and btw, i hate to enlighten you to this fact, but reverse discrimination exists,

no, don't hate yourself, I already knew about reverse-discrimination.

do you remember the black panthers statements in regards to all this? and dont write them off as a bunch of lunatics, there are many minorities that feel exactly the way they do. so whos to say they arent going to be on the jury? you are aware it only takes one to feel this way, to have a hung jury.

That does not make any sense, does it? For a black panther sympathizer to be on the jury and vote not guilty. I don't believe the new black panthers want an acquittal. Think about it.

 

[Sadalmelik]

Why do you say that I find justice in the OJ and Casey Anthony verdicts? I do not know the jurist education level or background in either case. But it appears to me that in the Casey Anthony the prosecutor's went with hype and innuendo because they lacked evidence.


no, don't hate yourself, I already knew about reverse-discrimination.
That does not make any sense, does it? For a black panther sympathizer to be on the jury and vote not guilty. I don't believe the new black panthers want an acquittal. Think about it.

there wasnt a lack of evidence imo, further, the fact remains, there was no justice in either the oj case or the casey anthony case, so why are you so optimistic there is going to be justice in this case?

further, i dont think we are on the same page, cause i wasnt referring to a black panther sympathizer finding zimmerman not guilty, i was actually saying they would find him guilty, regardless of the evidence that shows zimmerman acted in self defense. so im not quite sure what your talking about. like ive stated, there are plenty of people who have already made up their minds about zimmermans guilt, and my point was, that it would not be difficult for one of them to find their way onto the jury panel, and cause a hung jury. what part of this do you not understand? cause im frankly at a loss of trying to explain it any better.

 

[Lovely Lane]

there wasnt a lack of evidence imo, further, the fact remains, there was no justice in either the oj case or the casey anthony case, so why are you so optimistic there is going to be justice in this case?

further, i dont think we are on the same page, cause i wasnt referring to a black panther sympathizer finding zimmerman not guilty, i was actually saying they would find him guilty, regardless of the evidence that shows zimmerman acted in self defense. so im not quite sure what your talking about. like ive stated, there are plenty of people who have already made up their minds about zimmermans guilt, and my point was, that it would not be difficult for one of them to find their way onto the jury panel, and cause a hung jury. what part of this do you not understand? cause im frankly at a loss of trying to explain it any better.

You are the one who spoke of 'hung jury', and you said that 'it only takes one to feel this way'. Putting it together that would mean that a black panther sympathizer voted Not Guilty for Zimmerman. That's what I deduced from what you posted.
Anyway, I am not the pessimistic type, if it goes to a jury, they will do their best.

 

[WilliamB]

He will be found gulity of manslaughter and everyone will be happy. Simple.

 

[Sadalmelik]

He will be found gulity of manslaughter and everyone will be happy. Simple.

speak for yourself, i wont be happy, and if your ever in a situation where your defending your life or that of your family, better think twice before you 'pull the trigger', or maybe you wouldnt mind sitting in prison for manslaughter for defending your life or that or your wife/husband or kids.

 

[Sadalmelik]

You are the one who spoke of 'hung jury', and you said that 'it only takes one to feel this way'. Putting it together that would mean that a black panther sympathizer voted Not Guilty for Zimmerman. That's what I deduced from what you posted.
Anyway, I am not the pessimistic type, if it goes to a jury, they will do their best.

i respect your opinion lovelylane....i disagree. im not sure we are on the same page though....anyway, God bless.

 

[WilliamB]

speak for yourself, i wont be happy, and if your ever in a situation where your defending your life or that of your family, better think twice before you 'pull the trigger', or maybe you wouldnt mind sitting in prison for manslaughter for defending your life or that or your wife/husband or kids.

I wouldn't be in his situation because I would not chase down someone who had not committed a crime. Nor do I assume every person of color, walking in the dark is a criminal. Zimmerman judged Trayvon guilty from the moment he saw him, per his own 911 call.

"and by the same measure you judge, the same measure will be applied to you.".

Zimmerman murdered someone by his own admission. Now he's got to prove it was self-defense. You complain about black panther "sympathizers" throwing a fit if they dont get the verdict they want, but here you are doing the exact same thing. What makes your stand justified and the other extreme side, not? Whatever you say they are, that makes you the exact same, does it not?

 

[Sadalmelik]

I wouldn't be in his situation because I would not chase down someone who had not committed a crime. Nor do I assume every person of color, walking in the dark is a criminal. Zimmerman judged Trayvon guilty from the moment he saw him, per his own 911 call.

"and by the same measure you judge, the same measure will be applied to you.".

Zimmerman murdered someone by his own admission. Now he's got to prove it was self-defense. You complain about black panther "sympathizers" throwing a fit if they dont get the verdict they want, but here you are doing the exact same thing. What makes your stand justified and the other extreme side, not? Whatever you say they are, that makes you the exact same, does it not?

no it doesnt, cause i have never said i have made any judgement. i am not God, nor am i a juror, so i have no right. i am however, able to voice my opinion, there is still freedom of speech, although thats waning too. i dont know ALL the evidence. so i dont claim to know exactly what happened, as some do.

you were not there my friend, so hold your judgement.

nor do you know all the facts of the case, so hold your judgement.

where have i stated zimmerman is totally innocent here? or that he or martin were guilty of anything? i havent.

yes i do side with zimmerman at this point. BECAUSE THATS THE WAY ITS SUPPOSED TO BE BEFORE SOMEONE IS DECIDED BY A JURY THAT HE/SHE IS GUILTY. ITS CALLED PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE, HAVE YOU HEARD OF IT, IF APPARENTLY NOT, WELCOME TO WHATS SUPPOSED TO BE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what dont you understand about what presumption of innocence? zimmerman claims he innocent, he has NOT been found guilty, therefore he is at this point, innocent. presumption of innocence. the state, has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that zimmerman was NOT defending himself at the time of the shooting.....the time the gun actually went off, imho, its really of little relevance what happened leading up to it. if zimmerman was attacked, and felt his life was in danger, then he had every right to defend himself with whatever means neccesary. if you dont like that law, tuff, its the law in florida, and in half the other united states.

if you dont like the law, take it out on the corrupt govt, not on zimmerman.

and please dont try to compare me and my views with that of the black panthers. have you heard what they were advocating? if not, look it up, i posted it in the thread earlier in the thread....i dont go around making threats against people, last i knew, that is illegal to do. yet the black panthers get away with it, no one will take them on for fear of being called racists. thats how out of hand this racism thing has gotten. people are so sensitive and politically correct nowadays, and so worried about being called a racist, that they allow people to break the law, without reprocussions , just because they fear being called racists.

the black panthers and anyone who holds their view ought to be locked up. they are nothing but hate mongers, racists. i am neither, so dont paint me in the same brush, thankyou.

like i said, i dont presume anything. you, like others, probable thought zimmerman had no injuries, cause thats what the media said,....if so, you my friend, were WRONG. you, like others, probably thought zimmerman was racist, the article above goes very far in saying the complete opposite, so imo, you again, would have been WRONG in assuming zimmerman did this cause he was a racist.

the facts of the case so far, in no way, have proven zimmerman broke the law. following someone is not breaking the law. you can disagree with what zimmerman did leading up to the actual shooting, but its not against the law, what he did. period. it is against the law to beat the tar out of someone, and bash their head into the ground repeatedly, whether THEY WERE FOLLOWING YOU OR NOT. perhaps you should spend some more time educating yourself with the laws, and if you have a problem with them, write your congressman, dont take it out on me or zimmerman.


again presumption of innocence, thats what its called. if you have already found zimmerman guilty, your the one judgeing. i dont throw stones, i live in a glass house. apparently those who have it all figured out,can only see the speck in zimmermans eye, and have forgotten about the log in their own.

 

[WilliamB]

no it doesnt, cause i have never said i have made any judgement. i am not God, nor am i a juror, so i have no right. i am however, able to voice my opinion, there is still freedom of speech, although thats waning too. i dont know ALL the evidence. so i dont claim to know exactly what happened, as some do.

He has already admitted he is guilty of murder. We don't need a trial for that. That's a done deal. And typing in all caps wont change that. . Now let him prove self-defense, if he can. Simple. My presumption is he'll be found guilty of manslaugter, at minimum. Whatever the verdict, accept it as justice and move on with your life. I sure intend to.

 

[Sadalmelik]

He has already admitted he is guilty of murder. We don't need a trial for that. That's a done deal. And typing in all caps wont change that. . Now let him prove self-defense, if he can. Simple. My presumption is he'll be found guilty of manslaugter, at minimum. Whatever the verdict, accept it as justice and move on with your life. I sure intend to.

thats why we are in this mess were are in in america, everyones too busy with their own lives, and not missing an episode of jersey shore or american idol, or their favorite sports team, to notice that our country is in a steady decline as it is and has been and will continue to be.

and btw, he doesnt have to prove self defense, the defense doesnt have to prove anything. its the state that has to prove it wasnt self defense. according to the law, thats the way it works, you have it backwards. peace.

and im happy for you, that you can 'move on' with your life, and apparently it wouldnt bother you if you believed someone innocent is sitting rotting away in jail, it happens to bother me, and i cannot help that.
and if you dont believe innocent people get sent to jail every week in this country, think again. there was a recent study showing over 2000 people in the past couple decades have served time, and in many cases, substantial time in prison, for crimes it has been proven they did not commit. most of them served on average 10 years, some for decades, and some have died in there, naturally, and put to death.....all for because some people were all to quick to cast judgement and throw away the key, and move on with their lives. how that doesnt bother people is beyond me.

 

[Lovely Lane]

speak for yourself, i wont be happy, and if your ever in a situation where your defending your life or that of your family, better think twice before you 'pull the trigger', or maybe you wouldnt mind sitting in prison for manslaughter for defending your life or that or your wife/husband or kids.

Nope, I wouldn't be in that situation. I tend to think things through as much as possible and we have this neat little device called cell phone used to call cops who are paid and trained and have the authority to stop a citizen and ask question. Also, patrol cops wear uniforms that every adult in US recognizes.

Please note too, that this was not a felony in progress, where maybe the law would be lenient if a citizen assisted in stopping a felonious crime in progress. It was about a 17 year old waking home from store.

 

[Sadalmelik]

im happy that you and others think your somehow immune from crime.....and according to your logic, your not allowed to defend yourself. further, like i stated, it is not a crime observing someone, even walking behind them. its not illegal. do you think that even if zimmerman did this, it gives martin the right to go up and throw the 1st punch, or bash his head into the ground repeatedly? please tell me you dont think that scenario would be ok. cause basically thats what you and others here are saying....considering you werent there, so you dont know who threw the 1st punch....or do you have some video i am unaware of?

 

[Sadalmelik]

Nope, I wouldn't be in that situation. I tend to think things through as much as possible and we have this neat little device called cell phone used to call cops who are paid and trained and have the authority to stop a citizen and ask question. Also, patrol cops wear uniforms that every adult in US recognizes.

Please note too, that this was not a felony in progress, where maybe the law would be lenient if a citizen assisted in stopping a felonious crime in progress. It was about a 17 year old waking home from store.

and yes, that may have been what he was doing, prior to him confronting zimmerman, attacking him, and bashing his head repeatedly into the ground..... again, in that scenario, which could be true, doesnt make him sound so innocent, does it.....and ill ask again, is there some video showing who was attacking who first? cause unless there is, you are presuming guilt.....when it is supposed to be presumption of innocence.

 

[Lovely Lane]

im happy that you and others think your somehow immune from crime.....and according to your logic, your not allowed to defend yourself. further, like i stated, it is not a crime observing someone, even walking behind them. its not illegal. do you think that even if zimmerman did this, it gives martin the right to go up and throw the 1st punch, or bash his head into the ground repeatedly? please tell me you dont think that scenario would be ok. cause basically thats what you and others here are saying....considering you werent there, so you dont know who threw the 1st punch....or do you have some video i am unaware of?

Relax, like you have posted before, we don't know all the facts. So why attempt to paint a scenario of what happened? I and another stated that we would not be in that situation that Zimmerman put himself in. You asked, and got an answer that may not be to your liking.

 

[BobRyan]

we have this neat little device called cell phone used to call cops who are paid and trained and have the authority to stop a citizen and ask question. Also, patrol cops wear uniforms that every adult in US recognizes.

So that is exactly where all those phone recordings of Zimmerman are coming from - his moment-by-moment calls into the police asking them to come and help with a suspicious person in his neighborhood.

And that is where Martin found Zimmerman - at Zimmerman's car - by the entrance to the subdivision waiting for the police that Zimmerman had called.

And then inexplicably -- Martin apparently attacked Zimmerman.

I guess Martin did not suspect that Zimmerman would be armed.

How sad for him.

But fortunately for Zimmerman - he had urged the police to get there as fast as possible AND fortunately for him Florida has a law allowing lethal force in cases where one is in fear of being attacked. No need to get beat up first -- according to their law.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Lovely Lane]

and yes, that may have been what he was doing, prior to him confronting zimmerman, attacking him, and bashing his head repeatedly into the ground..... again, in that scenario, which could be true, doesnt make him sound so innocent, does it.....and ill ask again, is there some video showing who was attacking who first? cause unless there is, you are presuming guilt.....when it is supposed to be presumption of innocence.

Nope, no video that I know of. So we just can't make up a scenario to fit our opinion to convince others.

 

[Lovely Lane]

So that is exactly where all those phone recordings of Zimmerman are coming from - his moment-by-moment calls into the police asking them to come and help with a suspicious person in his neighborhood.

And that is where Martin found Zimmerman - at Zimmerman's car - by the entrance to the subdivision waiting for the police that Zimmerman had called.

And then inexplicably -- Martin apparently attacked Zimmerman.

I guess Martin did not suspect that Zimmerman would be armed.

How sad for him.

But fortunately for Zimmerman - he had urged the police to get there as fast as possible AND fortunately for him Florida has a law allowing lethal force in cases where one is in fear of being attacked. No need to get beat up first -- according to their law.

in Christ,

Bob

thanks for that, can you point me as to where Martin's body was located? I'm sure there is a report showing Martin's body and Zimmermans vehicle.

 

[WilliamB]

thats why we are in this mess were are in in america, everyones too busy with their own lives, and not missing an episode of jersey shore or american idol, or their favorite sports team, to notice that our country is in a steady decline as it is and has been and will continue to be.

and btw, he doesnt have to prove self defense, the defense doesnt have to prove anything. its the state that has to prove it wasnt self defense. according to the law, thats the way it works, you have it backwards. peace.

and im happy for you, that you can 'move on' with your life, and apparently it wouldnt bother you if you believed someone innocent is sitting rotting away in jail, it happens to bother me, and i cannot help that.
and if you dont believe innocent people get sent to jail every week in this country, think again. there was a recent study showing over 2000 people in the past couple decades have served time, and in many cases, substantial time in prison, for crimes it has been proven they did not commit. most of them served on average 10 years, some for decades, and some have died in there, naturally, and put to death.....all for because some people were all to quick to cast judgement and throw away the key, and move on with their lives. how that doesnt bother people is beyond me.

Not sure how you got to prison statistics but ok. It's important to understand that self-defense is a DEFENSE strategy. While the defense teams burden of prove is far less than the prosecutions, the defense still must prove to at least one juror that Zimmerman acted in self-defense. The prosecutions job will be to tear down that self-defense argument.

Since he's already confessed to killing Trayvon and they have the murder weapon, the defense is going to have a lot of explaining to do and it is highly likely that Zimmerman himself will have to take the stand to try to convince the jury it was self-defense.

 

[Sadalmelik]

Nope, no video that I know of. So we just can't make up a scenario to fit our opinion to convince others.

untill their is proof, and that would be video, not some supposed eye witness testimony, of which i give little relevance to either side, considering it was.....
1 dark
2 rainy
3 multiple witnesses saying different things
4 now apparently 4 supposed eye witnesses changing their stories.

give me a break.....eye witness testimony in this case is worthless. so like i started to say, unless you can provide irrefutable video of george zimmerman starting the arguement, throwing the 1 st punch, and thus initiating the attack, there is no evidence contrary to refute zimmermans claim that he was acting in self defense. period. one can assume, make up scenarios, make presumptions, etc..etc...dont change anything. prove zimmerman attacked first, you win your case. dont prove zimmerman threw the first punch, the case should be thrown out. and 'following' someone is NOT throwing the first punch. again, its not illegal in this country. one can go and walk wherever he/she wants to on public property, or private property if they have right to be there, keep bringing this up all you want, it isnt illegal.. attacking someone with physical force is.