what messianic prophecies where not fulfilled by jesus?

[dfw69]

There is nothing that the rabbis have ruled on that is evil. I cannot have meat and dairy together. That is not exactly evil. Perhaps something I disagree with, but I will follow the ruling.

for me the evil is to teach the denial of the promised messiah of the jews....but i already know what you are gonna say

 

[LoAmmi]

for me the evil is to teach the denial of the promised messiah of the jews....but i already know what you are gonna say

Where do the rabbis teach that?

 

[LoAmmi]

god gave sepecific instruction.....that israel has not or cannot keep...its a perfect law for imperfect man....and imperfect teachers.....unless you are an angel ....how does one keep it perfectly?

I have yet to find the passage in the Torah that one must keep the Torah perfectly. We are told to keep it, and if we stumble get back to keeping it.

I find the concept of needing to keep it perfectly only in Christian literature.

 

[dfw69]

Where do the rabbis teach that?

Do the rabbi find jesus truth?....do they obey and recieve him?....if rabbi were truthful ....would not they accept the truth of the messiah?

 

[LoAmmi]

Do the rabbi find jesus truth?....do they obey and recieve him?....if rabbi were truthful ....would not they accept the truth of the messiah?

You will find that most rabbis never discuss or think about Jesus. They also do not really discuss Muhammad or Joseph Smith or others.

That question at the end is very leading. I am not dishonest yet you would call me not truthful?

 

[dfw69]

I have yet to find the passage in the Torah that one must keep the Torah perfectly. We are told to keep it, and if we stumble get back to keeping it.

I find the concept of needing to keep it perfectly only in Christian literature.

ok i give you that.....but for man to keeps the interpretations the same meaning since the beginning all these years?....i just dont bye the interpretations are always correct and perfect....if i had to choose which is correct....the rabbi or jesus....i choose jesus

 

[LoAmmi]

ok i give you that.....but for man to keeps the interpretations the same meaning since the beginning all these years?....i just dont bye the interpretations are always correct and perfect....if i had to choose which is correct....the rabbi or jesus....i choose jesus

Correct for what? Jesus tells his followers to listen to what the rabbis say because they sat on the "Seat of Moses". His comment was that they did not do as they said, a claim of being hypocrites, not being incorrect.

 

[dfw69]

You will find that most rabbis never discuss or think about Jesus. They also do not really discuss Muhammad or Joseph Smith or others.

That question at the end is very leading. I am not dishonest yet you would call me not truthful?

this is my oppionion....yes...i see all men as capable of being dishonest....yet i dont call you dishonest....for i have not yet caught you in a dishonest act...no

Personally i dont trust anyone who denys jesus as truth and uses the scriptures to find fault in christianity....because i believe it is evil or sin to do so

 

[LoAmmi]

this is my oppionion....yes...i see all men as capable of being dishonest....yet i dont call you dishonest....for i have not yet caught you in a dishonest act...no

Personally i dont trust anyone who denys jesus as truth and uses the scriptures to find fault in christianity....because i believe it is evil or sin to do so

So am I evil?

 

[dfw69]

Correct for what? Jesus tells his followers to listen to what the rabbis say because they sat on the "Seat of Moses". His comment was that they did not do as they said, a claim of being hypocrites, not being incorrect.

true but i believe jesus had the gift of prophecy and came to correct the false teaching of the rabbi....things like....ressurection...and giving tribute...and eating with unwashed hands....many teachings that jesus corrected that the jewish religion had perhaps fallen from

 

[dfw69]

So am I evil?

no ...lol...just a product of judaism that doubts jesus....

please understand me.....what im saying is from my pov....judaism should point to jesus....and all israel shoould see...unless god purposely decieved israel....but why?

 

[LoAmmi]

true but i believe jesus had the gift of prophecy and came to correct the false teaching of the rabbi....things like....ressurection...and giving tribute...and eating with unwashed hands....many teachings that jesus corrected that the jewish religion had perhaps fallen from

What difference did any of those teaching actually make? Eating with unwashed hands is disgusting. The resurrection of the dead is a Jewish teaching. What about giving tribute? To who?

 

[LoAmmi]

no ...lol...just a product of judaism that doubts jesus....

Judaism have no stance on Jesus positive or negative. Judaism does not deny Jesus anymore than it denies pink elephants.

 

[dfw69]

What difference did any of those teaching actually make? Eating with unwashed hands is disgusting. The resurrection of the dead is a Jewish teaching. What about giving tribute? To who?[/QUO

Yes ...they are little things

 

[dfw69]

Judaism have no stance on Jesus positive or negative. Judaism does not deny Jesus anymore than it denies

I hear you....i dont know...

 

[LoAmmi]

I hear you....i dont know...

Look at it this way. To be President of the United States you need certain qualifications:

1) You have to be 35 years old.

2) You have to be a natural born citizen.

3) You have to have been in the United States for 14 years (something like that).

4) You have to win the election.

To me, you are claiming that someone is the President because they have the first three requirements but they are missing the fourth. Sure, you tell me that they will win the election, but until they do I am not going to say that they are the President.

 

[dfw69]

Judaism have no stance on Jesus positive or negative. Judaism does not deny Jesus anymore than it denies pink elephants.

so if you wrre to become a believer.....and you wanted to tell israel the truth about jesus....you would be recieved?

 

[LoAmmi]

so if you wrre to become a believer.....and you wanted to tell israel the truth about jesus....you would be recieved?

I refer to my President analogy.

 

[dfw69]

Look at it this way. To be President of the United States you need certain qualifications:

1) You have to be 35 years old.

2) You have to be a natural born citizen.

3) You have to have been in the United States for 14 years (something like that).

4) You have to win the election.

To me, you are claiming that someone is the President because they have the first three requirements but they are missing the fourth. Sure, you tell me that they will win the
election, but until they do I am not going to say that they are the President.

i got you...in your pov....jesus is not the actual messiah until all prophecies of messiah are complete.....thus actual proof...

 

[LoAmmi]

i got you...in your pov....jesus is not the actual messiah until all prophecies of messiah are complete.....thus actual proof...

The prophets give us the formula for the messiah. That formula must be complete for it to be correct.