The Sabbath was changed to Sunday
There is no more Sabbath
The Sabbath is Saturday
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There is no more Sabbath
The Sabbath is Saturday
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What do you believe about the Sabbath?
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Option 5: The Sabbath is variable, based on a number of factors.
The word for "month" means "new moon," and the first moon occurs on the new moon after the barley, or grain has turned green (Abib, month 1 in Hebrew means, means "[tender] green," as in the turning green of young grain or corn.) By deduction, we know this occurs during the spring time, and generally after or around the Spring Equinox. Therefore, the new moon after the Spring Equinox is the first day of the first month. This year, the Spring Equinox was on Gregorian Tuesday March 20, 2012. The first new moon after that occurred on Gregorian Thursday March 22, 2012 at sundown. Therefore, the first sabbath of the year would be on Gregorian Wednesday, March 28, 2012 at sundown. The weekly sabbath, therefore, is every Wednesday at sundown to Thursday at sundown.
This is one reason why the stars, sun and moon is so important for seasons.
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Theologically: Jesus is the sabbath; therefore, I find my rest in Him.
Practically: We worship on the Lord's Day and try to spend the rest of the time resting, seeking the Lord and hanging out with family.
So I guess I would say I believe in a sabbath principle of rest and worship but not that Sunday is the Sabbath.
Tonight after supper I plan to have a nice long walk with my dog, a pipe and an iPod filled with sermons...and I'll do all to the glory of God, AMEN!
Practically: We worship on the Lord's Day and try to spend the rest of the time resting, seeking the Lord and hanging out with family.
So I guess I would say I believe in a sabbath principle of rest and worship but not that Sunday is the Sabbath.
Tonight after supper I plan to have a nice long walk with my dog, a pipe and an iPod filled with sermons...and I'll do all to the glory of God, AMEN!
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The Sabbath is the 7th day according to Genesis, Exodus, what God spoke to Moses. Much as I can tell from Church history, it was observed as such until the Emperor Constantine abolished it as well as most other Jewish roots of the faith.
I know in my own life Yeshua has led me back to the observance on Saturday. Took me a couple of years of study and prayer and His patience with me to get to that point!
I know in my own life Yeshua has led me back to the observance on Saturday. Took me a couple of years of study and prayer and His patience with me to get to that point!
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It can be found in Hebrews 4.
A friend of mine sent me "From Sabbath to Lord's Day" a few years ago. It is a collection of theological essays that explain how the Puritans changed the idea of a sabbath principle into a legal demand. Good read, I recommend it. D. A. Carson is the editor.
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Yes!
When Constantine took it upon himself to appoint himself head over the church as well as the govenment, he professed to have converted. However he remained an adherent to the popular cult of sun worship throughout his life. His actions were an attempt to combine the church with that cult. Hence changing the church's worship day to Sun-day, "The Venerable Day of The Sun."
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Well, no...the Christian use of Sunday as the day for corporate worship is attested to in the New Testament and has as its reference the resurrection of Our Lord on the first day of the week.
Whether this is the same thing as the sabbath is of course another question.
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If you study the Scriptures and find that the day of preparation was actually Thursday, not Friday, you will find that He rose on Saturday, which is the Sabbath.
Passover landed on Friday that year.
Moreover, when the disciples met on the first day of the week, they were meeting at sunset on Saturday as was tradition. Sabbath mornings were kept within the home, unlike the modern Seventh Day Baptists (not Adventists) who meet in the morning (not that there's anything wrong with that).
**Edit: Sabbath ends at sunset on Saturday.
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Well, no...the day of preparation would have been the hours of daylight on Friday prior to sunset. Additionally, we do not know what day Passover landed on in the year of Jesus' death since we do not know with certainty what year he died.
The first day of the week, called "The Lord's Day" would have included Sunday. There is no clear biblical indication that the disciples gathered the evening before.
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There is no Biblical text that say that the Lord's Day is the first day of the week. Furthermore, a day ends at sunset. They congregated to bring the Sabbath to a close as was tradition.
They gathered on the Sabbath in the evenings and stayed together until the first day of the week (at sunset).
Their days are not midnight to midnight, but sunset to sunset.
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These are just Catholic myths. The Catholic church even says that they were the ones to replace it with their authority.
Catholicism is satanic. They have so many pagan roots including Sun Worship, 12 days of Lawlessness, etc.
Catholicism is satanic. They have so many pagan roots including Sun Worship, 12 days of Lawlessness, etc.
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Ok, here's the thing:
It's not theology and it's not proper critical thinking to regurgitate the talking points of a particular theological position or preacher.
When you blame the Catholics, or Constantine without any evidence (yes, I've heard the SDA arguments about how the Pope changed it to Sunday and the National Sunday Law and so on, and, frankly, it's nonsense), you do injustice to yourselves and, more importantly, to the Lord who calls you to diligence in the seeking and speaking of truth.
It may be debated whether the "Lord's Day" of Rev. 1 is Sunday; the constant testimony of the church is that it is, but there is no clear indication from the text itself, so this cannot really be conclusive one way or the other.
However, there is something to be said for respecting history.
On the other hand, the Gospels are unanimous that the tomb was found empty on the first day of the week. Then, in John 20, Jesus appears to the disciples on the first day (whether this was the same day as His resurrection or not is not clear).
Then, in Acts 20, we are told that Paul preached until midnight to the brethren in Troas. We are not told when he began. All we are told is that it was the first day of the week.
In this thread we are told that these Gentiles, residents of a city in which we are not told there was a synagogue or any Jews, gathered after dark (i.e. after the end of the Jewish Sabbath). Presumably then, Paul began preaching sometime after dark and continued until midnight. How our sabbatarian friends know this is not clear. As well, how this helps their position is difficult to understand: by Jewish reckoning it was no longer the Sabbath; i.e. no longer Saturday, but Sunday; so it remains true...the Christians, especially Gentile believers, gathered on Sunday to break bread and worship.
The earliest tradition of the church is that this was in order to honor the resurrection of our Lord. But this is only tradition. This too may be set aside, but only after recognizing that it makes sense; it offers a rationale.
The oft repeated sabbatarian argument that the Pope changed the day of worship to Sunday just isn't true. As we see, it was the practice of believers in the New Testament. It is likely that the established church had much to do with making Sunday worship normative, and I will even concede that it seems likely that church leaders like the Pope may even have taken credit for it, but, again, it really isn't so.
Finally Constantine; what evil hasn't he committed? Now he is responsible for foisting sun-worship upon the church. That this church was made up of believers, people about whom Jesus Himself said there could be no enduring deceit, doesn't seem to phase those who would deny the validity of Sunday worship. Likewise, no argument or evidence is offered, just blame.
There is a lot more to be said, but I will conclude by encouraging everyone, myself included to be more careful in the service of truth, admitting ignorance where we just don't know something rather than simply blindly accepting this or that sloganeering as though it were persuasion.
It's not theology and it's not proper critical thinking to regurgitate the talking points of a particular theological position or preacher.
When you blame the Catholics, or Constantine without any evidence (yes, I've heard the SDA arguments about how the Pope changed it to Sunday and the National Sunday Law and so on, and, frankly, it's nonsense), you do injustice to yourselves and, more importantly, to the Lord who calls you to diligence in the seeking and speaking of truth.
It may be debated whether the "Lord's Day" of Rev. 1 is Sunday; the constant testimony of the church is that it is, but there is no clear indication from the text itself, so this cannot really be conclusive one way or the other.
However, there is something to be said for respecting history.
On the other hand, the Gospels are unanimous that the tomb was found empty on the first day of the week. Then, in John 20, Jesus appears to the disciples on the first day (whether this was the same day as His resurrection or not is not clear).
Then, in Acts 20, we are told that Paul preached until midnight to the brethren in Troas. We are not told when he began. All we are told is that it was the first day of the week.
In this thread we are told that these Gentiles, residents of a city in which we are not told there was a synagogue or any Jews, gathered after dark (i.e. after the end of the Jewish Sabbath). Presumably then, Paul began preaching sometime after dark and continued until midnight. How our sabbatarian friends know this is not clear. As well, how this helps their position is difficult to understand: by Jewish reckoning it was no longer the Sabbath; i.e. no longer Saturday, but Sunday; so it remains true...the Christians, especially Gentile believers, gathered on Sunday to break bread and worship.
The earliest tradition of the church is that this was in order to honor the resurrection of our Lord. But this is only tradition. This too may be set aside, but only after recognizing that it makes sense; it offers a rationale.
The oft repeated sabbatarian argument that the Pope changed the day of worship to Sunday just isn't true. As we see, it was the practice of believers in the New Testament. It is likely that the established church had much to do with making Sunday worship normative, and I will even concede that it seems likely that church leaders like the Pope may even have taken credit for it, but, again, it really isn't so.
Finally Constantine; what evil hasn't he committed? Now he is responsible for foisting sun-worship upon the church. That this church was made up of believers, people about whom Jesus Himself said there could be no enduring deceit, doesn't seem to phase those who would deny the validity of Sunday worship. Likewise, no argument or evidence is offered, just blame.
There is a lot more to be said, but I will conclude by encouraging everyone, myself included to be more careful in the service of truth, admitting ignorance where we just don't know something rather than simply blindly accepting this or that sloganeering as though it were persuasion.
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