A message from Adam to all of humanity as given to Pastor Rick Joyner!

Where do you personally think that Pastor Rick Joyner got this message?

  • I tend to strongly suspect that his message is from God and is probably true!

  • I suspect that Rick Joyner is one of the most intelligent Christian deceivers.

  • I suspect that Rick Joyner may have been involved in LSD tests in the '60's!

  • OK, that is pretty good...I think I will read it one more time!!!!


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I personally am not the world's absolute worst writer but for the life of me I could not come up with a couple of pages representing a message from Adam to all of humanity that could be compared in any way with the message that Pastor Rick Joyner claims to have been given in a visionary dream given to him back in 1995.

To me a message of this calibre could only come from two or possibly three sources....
1. This was inspired by God
2. This was inspired by Satan or a high level fallen angel.
3. Pastor Rick Joyner is an off the scale brilliant writer!

and much about this message pretty much rules out this being inspired by Satan!!!!!


Pastor Rick Joyner: "Love Releases Life

Another man who looked almost exactly like Abel came and stood beside him.

“I am Adam,” he said. “I was given authority over the earth, but I gave it to the evil one by obeying evil. He now rules in my place and your place. The earth was given to man, but the evil one has taken it. The authority I lost was restored by the cross. Jesus Christ is ‘the last Adam,’ and He will soon take His authority and rule. He will rule through mankind because He gave the earth to mankind. Those who live in your times will prepare the earth for Him to rule.”
“Please tell me more,” I asked, a little surprised to see Adam, but wanting to hear everything he had to say. “How do we prepare for Him?”

“Love,” he said. “You must love one another. You must love the earth, and you must love life. My sin released the death that now flows as rivers upon the earth. Your love will release rivers of life. When evil reigns, death is stronger than life, and death prevails over life. When righteousness reigns, life prevails, and life is stronger than death. Soon the life of the Son of God will swallow up the death that was released through my disobedience. It is not just living that you must love, but life. Death is your enemy. You are called to be a messenger of life.

“When the Lord’s people begin to love, He will use them to release His judgments. His judgments are to be desired. The whole world is groaning and travailing as it waits for His judgments, and when they come, the world will learn righteousness. What He is about to do, He will do through His people, and His people will stand as Elijah in the last days. Their words will shut up the heavens or bring rain; they will prophesy earthquakes and famines, and they will come to pass; they will stop famines and earthquakes.

“When they release armies in the heavens, armies will march on the earth. When they hold back armies, there will be peace. They will decide where He shows mercy and where He shows His wrath. They will have this authority because they will love, and those who love will be one with Him. What you will see through that door is to help prepare you for what He is about to do through His people.

“I know authority. I also know the responsibility of authority. Because of the great authority that I was given, I am responsible for what has happened to the earth. Even so, the grace of God began to cover me, and God’s great redemption will soon swallow up my mistake. Peace will be taken from the earth, but you are called to help restore it. Peace prevails in heaven, and you are called to bring heaven to earth. Those who abide in His presence will know peace and will spread peace.

“The earth itself will shake and tremble. Times of trouble greater than have ever been known will begin to move across the earth like great waves of the sea. Even so, those who know Him will not be troubled. They will stand before the raging of the seas and say, ‘Peace, be still’ and the seas will be calm. Even the least of His little ones will be like a great fortress of peace that will stand through all that is coming. His glory will be revealed to His people first and then through them. Even the creation will recognize Him in His people and will obey them as it does Him.

“This is the authority that I had, and it will be given to mankind again. I used my authority to turn Paradise into a wilderness. The Lord will use His authority to turn the wilderness into Paradise again. This is the authority that He is giving to His people. I used mine wrongly and death came. When His authority is used in righteousness, it will release life. Be careful how you use authority. With authority comes responsibility. You, too, can use it wrongly, but you will not do this if you love. As all of heaven knows, ‘Love never fails.”

“What about the earthquakes, famines and even wars that you said we would release on the earth? Won’t this be releasing death?” I asked.

“All the death that is coming upon the world is being allowed to prepare the way for life. Everything that is sown must be reaped, unless those who have sown evil call upon the cross in Spirit and truth. The army of the cross is about to be released, and it will march in the power of the cross, carrying the offer of mercy to all. Those who reject the mercy of God have rejected life.”

“That is a great responsibility,” I said. “How do we know when they have rejected His mercy?” “Disobedience brought death, and obedience will bring life. When I walked with God, He taught me His ways. As I walked with Him, I began to know Him. You must walk with God and learn of His ways. Your authority is His authority, and you must be one with Him in order to use it. The weapons of His army are not carnal—they are spiritual and much more powerful than any earthly weapons. Your most powerful weapons are truth and love. Even the final judgment of destruction is God’s love extended in mercy.

“When truth spoken in love is rejected, death has been chosen over life. You will understand this as you walk with Him. You will come to understand the Spirit that He has given to you to bring life and not death. There is a time to give men over to reap what they have sown, but you must do all things in obedience. Jesus came to give life. He does not desire for any to perish, and this must be your desire also. For this reason, you must even love your enemies if you are to be trusted with the authority that He wants to give to His people.

“The time is at hand for the fulfillment of what has been written. His people have prayed for more time, and He gave it to them. However, few have used it wisely. You have a little more time, but soon the time can no longer be delayed. The time is near when time itself will seem to speed up. As it is written, when He comes, He will come quickly. However, you are not to fear the times. If you fear Him, you do not need to fear anything that is coming upon the earth.

“All that is about to happen is coming so that His wisdom can again prevail on earth just as it does in heaven. All of the evil that was sown in mankind is about to be reaped. Even so, the good that He has sown will also be reaped. Goodness is stronger than evil. Love is stronger than death. He walked the earth to destroy the works of the devil, and He will finish what He has begun.” (Rick Joyner, from his book The Call and The Vision)
 

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First, why would Adam come to him?

Adam is dead, we are told not to seek to talk to the spirits.

“When the Lord’s people begin to love, He will use them to release His judgments. His judgments are to be desired. The whole world is groaning and travailing as it waits for His judgments, and when they come, the world will learn righteousness. What He is about to do, He will do through His people, and His people will stand as Elijah in the last days. Their words will shut up the heavens or bring rain; they will prophesy earthquakes and famines, and they will come to pass; they will stop famines and earthquakes.

You should take a look at Revelation and see that this is not true according to what is written there.

And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see , nor hear , nor walk : 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
 
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Isn't this just a duplicate of a recent post of yours about this guy of whom I have never heard? Who is he, What does he do? Where does he do it? Why do you trust his word?

Well, in the post I only gave a couple of paragraphs whereas here I put the entire couple of pages because Lulav mentioned that he did not trust Facebook.....

All that I know for sure is that a good buddy of mine who I respect sent me a link into a portion of his writings entitled The Hordes of Hell Are Marching...I was so impressed that I read it over and over again perhaps four or five times...which I rarely do unless I am extremely impressed.

I shared that link with some of members of the family and they bought me a copy of The Vision a couple of years ago....since that time I have read and re-read the book three times!!!!

Just like you and I and a number of the people Pastor Rick claims to meet in heaven Rick Joyner is capable of going off to the dark side...but at this point in my life.......as a writer, I consider myself unworthy to pick up his sandals or shoes or whatever he is wearing!!!!

Here is the final page or so of the message from Adam to all of humanity:

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Rick Joyner:
Power and Love

As Adam talked, I was captured by his grace and dignity. I began to wonder if he had possibly lived his whole life after the fall without sinning again because he seemed to be so pure. Knowing my thoughts, he changed the subject briefly to answer them.

“I lived long on the earth because sin did not have a deep root in me. Even though I had sinned, I was created to walk with God, and my desire was still for Him. I did not know the depths of sin that the following generations knew. As sin grew, life was shortened, but in every generation, those who walk with God touch the life that is in God. Because Moses walked so closely with God, he would have lived on had the Lord not taken him. Enoch walked with Him so closely that the Lord had to take him as well. That is why Jesus said, ‘I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die.’

“What you are seeing in me is not just the lack of sin, but the presence of life that I had on the earth. What we were on earth will remain a part of who we are forever. I can look at all of the others here who are a part of the great cloud of witnesses and know much about their life on earth.”
“So you are a part of the great cloud of witnesses.”

“Yes. My story is a part of the eternal gospel. My wife and I were the first to taste sin, and the first to see our children reap the consequences of disobedience. We have beheld the death spread through each generation, but we have also beheld the cross and seen the victory over sin.

“Satan has boasted since the cross that Jesus could redeem men but could not change them. During the times of the greatest darkness and evil that are about to come, His people will stand as a testimony for all time that He not only redeemed His people from sin, but He also removed sin from them. Through them, He will remove sin from the whole earth. He will now display to the whole creation the power of His new creation. He did not come just to forgive sin, but to save mankind from sin, and He is returning for a people who are without stain from the world. This will come to pass in the most difficult of times. “I was created to love the Lord and to love the earth, as were all people.

I have loathed the sight of the world’s rivers becoming sewers. Even more have I loathed the sight of what has happened to the human mind. The philosophies of the human mind now filling the streams of human thought are as loathsome as the sewage filling the rivers. But the rivers of human thought will one day be pure again, just as the rivers of the earth. By this, for all time to come, it will be proven that good is stronger than evil.

“The Lord did not go to the cross just to redeem, but also to restore. He walked the earth as a man to show mankind how to live. He will now reveal Himself through His chosen ones to show them who they were created to be. This demonstration will not just come through power, but through love. He will give you power because He is all powerful, and power is also a revelation of Him. Even so, He uses His power because of love and so must you. Even His judgments come because of love. When you send them forth, it must be because of love. Even His final judgment of the earth will be His final mercy.”

I looked at Adam, Abel, Lot and Jonah as they stood together. I knew that it would take forever to understand the depths of the revelation of the great gospel of God that each of their lives represented. Adam’s disobedience made the way for Abel’s obedience, whose blood still speaks as a harbinger of salvation. Righteous Lot could not save a city, while an unrighteous Jonah could. Like the four gospels, there seemed to be no end to the understanding that could be learned from them. This, too, was my call." (Rick Joyner, from The Call)


For the record he also had a two page or so message from Lot and then the Prophet Jonah that was seriously impressive...then he had a message from Abel....before that he had a two or so page message from the Apostle Paul/Rav Shaul that was beyond impressive and should be read by everybody in the Messianic community...in my opinion anyway!!!!!
 
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First, why would Adam come to him?

Adam is dead, we are told not to seek to talk to the spirits.



You should take a look at Revelation and see that this is not true according to what is written there.


Excellent questions Lulav!

Back in 1988 when I was 29 and thought that I had pretty much everything figured out I would have considered these questions to pretty much rule out his writings as well!!!!!
 
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Lulav, the only answer that I can give to your questions is that I believe we are going into a new era where the saints will be allowed to interact with the people of God who get to a certain level of consciousness?!


Isaiah 30:21
And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This [is] the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.


Luke 9:28
And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment [was] white [and] glistering.And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
 
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One of the reasons why I trust Rick Joyner is because he openly admits how astonishingly dumb or selfish or cowardly his first reactions usually were to just about everything that he is shown in heaven!

He gives me the impression that he is actually just as much one of the thoroughly less than wise or noble types that the Ancient of Days/The Father tends to lead to Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua!

If Rick Joyner had an IQ of 170+ he would have to be an astonishingly good actor to pull off the humble and transparent act so well!
 
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Because Moses walked so closely with God, he would have lived on had the Lord not taken him.
God spoke to Moses: "You're about to die and be buried with your ancestors. You'll no sooner be in the grave than this people will be up and whoring after the foreign gods of this country that they are entering. They will abandon me and violate my Covenant that I've made with them.

The L-RD buried the body of Moses in Moab. His grave is in the valley across from Beth Peor. But to this day no one knows where it is. deut 34

Enoch walked with Him so closely that the Lord had to take him as well.
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. - Gen 5

Besides the fact that he speaks of Moses first and then Enoch and puts it that her had to take Enoch 'as well', this is false to say Moses did not die.



When they release armies in the heavens, armies will march on the earth. When they hold back armies, there will be peace. They will decide where He shows mercy and where He shows His wrath. They will have this authority because they will love, and those who love will be one with Him. What you will see through that door is to help prepare you for what He is about to do through His people.
The people are going to decide when G-d shows his mercy? Please show me anywhere in the word that G-d has given this power over to people, other than Yeshua.
 
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Excellent questions Lulav!

Back in 1988 when I was 29 and thought that I had pretty much everything figured out I would have considered these questions to pretty much rule out his writings as well!!!!!
Well I was in my 30's back then and the word was the same then as it is today.

I think you should stop spending all your time reading and rereading things like this and instead immerse yourself in the Bible. Deceptions are abounding and RJ is one of the top proponents. Anyone that is involved with the likes of Todd Bentley I would not waste my time on.
 
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Isn't this just a duplicate of a recent post of yours about this guy of whom I have never heard? Who is he, What does he do? Where does he do it? Why do you trust his word?
If you've ever heard of something known as the Apostolic/Prophetic movement, especially branches of it such as Morning Star, you'll find out about Rick Joyner. Has alot of good material, although alot of his ideology and teachings I sharply disagree with...especially in regards to other figures in the Charismatic movement that he supported/approved of. One can go here , here , here, here and here for more.
 
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The people are going to decide when G-d shows his mercy? Please show me anywhere in the word that G-d has given this power over to people, other than Yeshua.

Proverbs 18:21
Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Lulav, my wife is from Quito, Ecuador so I tend to be somewhat more informed than average as to what has happened over the past couple of decades in South America. I viewed two films titled Transformations 1 and ii several years ago.

A group of believers in the murder capitol of the world at that time, Cali, Colombia, got together and prayed fervently and often for God to take over in their city. They even went so far as to pray over gallons of olive oil and dump it out of a helicopter over their city.

They got their transformation, they got their miracles and it was because they spoke life, and blessing and intervention over their city!


The grandfather of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov had a comprehension of the power of prayer that all of us Messianics could learn a great deal from.

As Besht fought ascetics, so he fought the rigidity and sanctimony that had accreted to strict Talmudic viewpoints while not abrogating a single religious ceremony or observance. His target was the great importance which the Talmudic view attaches to the fulfillment of a law, while almost entirely disregarding sentiment or the growth of man’s inner life. While the rabbis of his day considered the study of the Talmud as the most important religious activity, Besht laid all the stress on prayer. “All that I have achieved,” he once remarked, “I have achieved not through study, but through prayer”. Prayer, however, is not merely petitioning God to grant a request, nor even necessarily speaking to God, but rather (“cleaving”, dvekut)— the glorious feeling of ’Oneness with God Almighty’, the state of the soul wherein a man or woman gives up their consciousness of separate existence, and join their own selves to the Eternal Being of God Supreme. Such a state produces indescribable bliss, which is the foremost fruit of the true worship of God.
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Well I was in my 30's back then and the word was the same then as it is today.

I think you should stop spending all your time reading and rereading things like this and instead immerse yourself in the Bible. Deceptions are abounding and RJ is one of the top proponents. Anyone that is involved with the likes of Todd Bentley I would not waste my time on.


I heard Todd Bentley's sermon "Dark Night of the Soul" and considered it to be one of the deepest, most powerful messages that I had personally ever heard.


Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.

I may have misunderstood this scripture but I have gotten the impression that when somebody is given a high calling, they can have times of falling away, that are exceptionally valuable to everybody around them.....once they finally go through the restoration process.

King David's sin with Bathsheba and murder of Uriah is one of the greatest examples. How many major serious sinners such as the guy who had been involved in the slave trade who wrote the song Amazing Grace were inspired by the awesome restoration of King David in spite of his serious sins!
 
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Easy G (G²);60234138 said:
If you've ever heard of something known as the Apostolic/Prophetic movement, especially branches of it such as Morning Star, you'll find out about Rick Joyner. Has alot of good material, although alot of his ideology and teachings I sharply disagree with...especially in regards to other figures in the Charismatic movement that he supported/approved of. One can go......] for more.



Previous to August of the year 2000 I personally had never met anybody in my life who I could say had a prophetic gift but my wife is so blessed in that way that she was even told in a dream that i was going to be her husband!

She was also told to fast and pray for me for 35 days...She obeyed this order and beginning with the first day of her fast I felt the most astonishing Shalom/peace of mind that I had ever felt in my life...but especially in comparison to the mess that I had been from the year 1990 to 2000!!!!!!

For four weeks she drank only fruit juices for three days per week and for the fifth week only juices for seven days in a row. Rabbi Jesus woke her up early most morning and urged her to pray for me ....sometimes she fell asleep and he woke her up again!

I may be wrong but I do believe that the evangelical Christian community are onto something huge that many of us miss by not worshipping God with singing and enthusiasm that is not necessarily limited to four or five songs!

Psalms 100:4
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, [and] into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, [and] bless his name.
 
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Proverbs 18:21

Lulav, my wife is from Quito, Ecuador so I tend to be somewhat more informed than average as to what has happened over the past couple of decades in South America. I viewed two films titled Transformations 1 and ii several years ago.

A group of believers in the murder capitol of the world at that time, Cali, Colombia, got together and prayed fervently and often for God to take over in their city. They even went so far as to pray over gallons of olive oil and dump it out of a helicopter over their city.

They got their transformation, they got their miracles and it was because they spoke life, and blessing and intervention over their city!


The grandfather of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov had a comprehension of the power of prayer that all of us Messianics could learn a great deal from.


Baal Shem Tov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That was praying for help, not destruction, that is what RJ was saying. I did not say that prayer does not accomplish, nor that he doesn't hear, that is ridiculous to even think such a thing.


They will decide where He shows mercy and where He shows His wrath.
G-d decides whom he shows mercy on, he does not turn that over to mere mankind. To believe that is to believe this is not true.

Told to Moses: " I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."
 
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The way that Rick Joyner admits to having messed up horribly regarding a homeless man named Angelo who had a huge calling, but even Rick Joyner himself rejected him, sure impresses me as genuine humility and conviction regarding his own former way of judging people!

Ranks in Heaven
 
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That was praying for help, not destruction, that is what RJ was saying. I did not say that prayer does not accomplish, nor that he doesn't hear, that is ridiculous to even think such a thing.


G-d decides whom he shows mercy on, he does not turn that over to mere mankind. To believe that is to believe this is not true.

Told to Moses: " I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."


On the other hand if we humans who are trying to follow our Messiah to the best of our ability are given a significantly higher level of genuine love for the lost it stands to reason that our words might soon carry more weight.

Do you think that it was simply out of a human desire for vengeance that the Prophet Elijah asked God to send a drought on Israel?

Why do you think that he had the impression that he was the only surviving follower of HaShem in the northern Kingdom of Israel?

I believe it was because Queen Jezebel had succeeded in convincing her husband to martyr so many of the sons of the prophets that the remaining few were hiding away as well as they could and were even scared to attempt to contact Elijah!

King David prayed fervently for HaShem to intervene and judge the enemies of Israel and he was answered...partly because he genuinely loved foreigners who were humble and showed genuine interest in learning truth.
 
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I heard Todd Bentley's sermon "Dark Night of the Soul" and considered it to be one of the deepest, most powerful messages that I had personally ever heard.


King David's sin with Bathsheba and murder of Uriah is one of the greatest examples. How many major serious sinners such as the guy who had been involved in the slave trade who wrote the song Amazing Grace were inspired by the awesome restoration of King David in spite of his serious sins!


Please, don't even put King Davids name in the same sentence as TB.

David may have been a sinner like everyone else, but he was not a deceiver, or false prophet. He repented and was forgiven. This is not about adultery, that was just some icing on the cake of what is TB.

I do not support the rantings of someone who tells others to believe in the angel, that make false prophesies, that kick people supposedly because 'god' told him to.

Deut speaks about false prophets, and Jeremiah as well:

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Yeah, G-d said this
[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]If you don’t believe the story.. well sorry. You know I told the Lord.. “Why can’t I just move in healing and forget talking about all that other stuff ?” He said “because you got to get the people to believe in the angel” I said “Why do I want people to believe in the angel? Isn’t it about getting the people to believe in Jesus? ” He said “The people already believe in Jesus , but the church doesn’t believe in the supernatural.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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Back in 1979 at the Festival of Tabernacles held in Charlottetown, P.E.I., Canada by the Worldwide Church of G-d I heard an amazing sermon asserting that G-d had very different plans for the northern kingdom of Israel...but because Elijah chose to run away from the armies of Queen Jezebel....the opportunity for G-d to perhaps inspire the northern kingdom to return to H-m was missed.

1Kings 19:9 ¶
And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD [came] to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?

1Kings 19:13
And it was [so], when Elijah heard [it], that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, [there came] a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?

The pastor who gave the sermon postulated that perhaps G-d had wanted to do some miracles comparable to what occurred in II Kings chapter 1 where two captains of fifty and their fifty, were devoured by fire from heaven. His theory is that because Elijah had been depressed and weak and had chosen to run away a window of opportunity had been missed to delay the captivity of the northern kingdom of Israel by the brutal Assyrian Empire?!?!

To me this sounded like an exceptionally good theory on how our decisions and our words affect everybody around us.

I like this idea a whole lot better than the idea that everything is programmed in advance.
 
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Previous to August of the year 2000 I personally had never met anybody in my life who I could say had a prophetic gift but my wife is so blessed in that way that she was even told in a dream that i was going to be her husband!

She was also told to fast and pray for me for 35 days...She obeyed this order and beginning with the first day of her fast I felt the most astonishing Shalom/peace of mind that I had ever felt in my life...but especially in comparison to the mess that I had been from the year 1990 to 2000!!!!!!

For four weeks she drank only fruit juices for three days per week and for the fifth week only juices for seven days in a row. Rabbi Jesus woke her up early most morning and urged her to pray for me ....sometimes she fell asleep and he woke her up again!

I may be wrong but I do believe that the evangelical Christian community are onto something huge that many of us miss by not worshipping God with singing and enthusiasm that is not necessarily limited to four or five songs!

Psalms 100:4


Sounds nice, although it really doesn't address what I noted in regards to Rick Joyner/some of the concerns others have had. And fasting/ascetic practices are not something that others are against not was that in question. Additionally, one can be as enthusiastic as possible and yet it means nothing if the Word of God does not support what goes down. Plenty of places that had the Joy of the Lord and yet they noted that dancing/praise and worship mean nothing when one isn't walking according to the scriptures...

But all that aside, again, what was noted in the post wasn't really what I was speaking of in regards to Joyner.
 
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The way that Rick Joyner admits to having messed up horribly regarding a homeless man named Angelo who had a huge calling, but even Rick Joyner himself rejected him, sure impresses me as genuine humility and conviction regarding his own former way of judging people!

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Dennis, do you believe that hucksters can't fake being contrite?
 
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