Is Benny hinn a false prophet ?

[Leonfrost]

Theres only two places it comes from, God or the Devil. So if he isn't getting them from God then obviously it leaves only one other source. Look at the "famous psychic" (cough) John Edawards. When he came out some say you can't really talk to the dead. Which is true, but if you read your bible and study many believe real psychics get their information from the Devil. It makes sense, it lures people away from God so they listen to this "amazing" person who seems to know about the dead.

That's a false dilemma, actually. Did anyone even consider the third option here, or were you too swept up in the supernatural? Isn't it at all possible that many of these "prophets" are no different from financial advisors, or economists? People who draw from the events around them to logically form a hypothesis? It's like what was said earlier in the thread: Any idiot could have predicted that Bush would be re-elected. And that's exactly what happened here.

Or Harold Camping! If you believe in the future coming of Christ (I'm a full preterist, so I don't, but that's a different story), then you can pretty much say, "Any day now," and have a certain chance of being right. Doesn't mean that the Devil gave them prophecy. It just means that they kinda spew predictions hoping to get one right.

So don't be so quick to accuse people of being in Satan's grip. That's false witness, and is just as much a sin as anything you claim they are guilty of.

 

[pauluk3]

That's a false dilemma, actually. Did anyone even consider the third option here, or were you too swept up in the supernatural? Isn't it at all possible that many of these "prophets" are no different from financial advisors, or economists? People who draw from the events around them to logically form a hypothesis? It's like what was said earlier in the thread: Any idiot could have predicted that Bush would be re-elected. And that's exactly what happened here.

Or Harold Camping! If you believe in the future coming of Christ (I'm a full preterist, so I don't, but that's a different story), then you can pretty much say, "Any day now," and have a certain chance of being right. Doesn't mean that the Devil gave them prophecy. It just means that they kinda spew predictions hoping to get one right.

So don't be so quick to accuse people of being in Satan's grip. That's false witness, and is just as much a sin as anything you claim they are guilty of.

sorry frost but imo your are mistaken ...swept up in the supernatural hu really...you mean living in the real world ..the spiritual world ..Gods world...yeah am totally swept up in that ...thats were we should be ..regardless of how you word it ...in the end everything in this world is either from God or satan that my friend is a fact

Isn't it at all possible that many of these "prophets" are no different from financial advisors, or economists? People who draw from the events around them to logically form a hypothesis?

really well they should not be ..prophets should draw directly from God ...not events around them ...come on ..can anybody else back me up on this ...

cause the word of God teaches if its not from God it can only be from one other place


best

 

[rockytopva]

I have enjoyed messages from the following three...

1. Benny Hinn
2. Joel Osteen
3. Kenneth Copeland

But... I simply cannot financially support ministries when the founders are that well off.

 

[philadiddle]

...in the end everything in this world is either from God or satan that my friend is a fact

When a financial advisor suggests a certain investment for your idle cash is that a message from God or from Satan?

 

[Leonfrost]

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Thank you! You know, Pauluk, there are different schools of thought on the devil, and all of them have scriptural support depending on how you read it. Some believe he has the power to influence us as soon as our faith stammers. Others believe he is powerless over Christians but can influence nonbelievers. Some believe a fusion of the two, where he can influence nonbelievers but chooses to target Christians, over whom he has no direct power but must instead tempt us to stray from God. And STILL OTHERS think that the devil is dead, killed in 70 AD during the sealing up of transgression when Jerusalem was destroyed. Preterism at its finest.

Regardless of which school of thought you subscribe to, the fact remains that your argument is not only archaic and outdated, but in my opinion, incorrect. For you see, God gave us free will to think and do as we please, so that we could come to love Him on our own terms, rather than being MADE to love Him, as the angels are. Because of that free will, we are therefore able to think on an EARTHLY level, with ideas that come from within us, not from God.

When you decide what you're going to eat for lunch, you're deciding from factors like what you're in the mood for, what's in your fridge, what's healthier, what else you've eaten that day, etc. God doesn't put the idea in your head that you want a sandwich! That's all you, bud, and that's what I'm saying these so-called prophets are most likely doing as well. No influence from God, and no influence from Satan.

 

[pauluk3]

When a financial advisor suggests a certain investment for your idle cash is that a message from God or from Satan?

sorry are you comparing a financial advisor to a prophet ?

but ok your argument is a bit vauge

depends on the finical advisor is he lead by the spirit of God ?

depends on what the investment is

depends if you have prayed about it and got conformation from other spirit lead leaders

depends if you have heard God lead you to invest this financial cash ,timing might not be right

depends if you are spirit lead ....its not one or two things its a range that tested over time

 

[pauluk3]

^

Thank you! You know, Pauluk, there are different schools of thought on the devil, and all of them have scriptural support depending on how you read it. Some believe he has the power to influence us as soon as our faith stammers. Others believe he is powerless over Christians but can influence nonbelievers. Some believe a fusion of the two, where he can influence nonbelievers but chooses to target Christians, over whom he has no direct power but must instead tempt us to stray from God. And STILL OTHERS think that the devil is dead, killed in 70 AD during the sealing up of transgression when Jerusalem was destroyed. Preterism at its finest.

Regardless of which school of thought you subscribe to, the fact remains that your argument is not only archaic and outdated, but in my opinion, incorrect. For you see, God gave us free will to think and do as we please, so that we could come to love Him on our own terms, rather than being MADE to love Him, as the angels are. Because of that free will, we are therefore able to think on an EARTHLY level, with ideas that come from within us, not from God.

When you decide what you're going to eat for lunch, you're deciding from factors like what you're in the mood for, what's in your fridge, what's healthier, what else you've eaten that day, etc. God doesn't put the idea in your head that you want a sandwich! That's all you, bud, and that's what I'm saying these so-called prophets are most likely doing as well. No influence from God, and no influence from Satan.

ok firstly out of interest united church of Christ and what do they belive in ?

rather than being MADE to love Him, as the angels are

then why did Lucifer turn form God ?

with ideas that come from within us

The bibles say mans heart is wicked above all

are you comparing a the human body choosing a sandwich or what they will wear for the day to a man of God making a prophecy that he broadcast to millions and states God has give that prophecy to him directly ?

really...for real ?

 

[Thy WORD is TRUTH]

I have enjoyed messages from the following three...

1. Benny Hinn
2. Joel Osteen
3. Kenneth Copeland

But... I simply cannot financially support ministries when the founders are that well off.

Can't think of a worse three

 

[pauluk3]

^

Thank you! You know, Pauluk, there are different schools of thought on the devil, and all of them have scriptural support depending on how you read it. Some believe he has the power to influence us as soon as our faith stammers. Others believe he is powerless over Christians but can influence nonbelievers. Some believe a fusion of the two, where he can influence nonbelievers but chooses to target Christians, over whom he has no direct power but must instead tempt us to stray from God. And STILL OTHERS think that the devil is dead, killed in 70 AD during the sealing up of transgression when Jerusalem was destroyed. Preterism at its finest.

Regardless of which school of thought you subscribe to, the fact remains that your argument is not only archaic and outdated, but in my opinion, incorrect. For you see, God gave us free will to think and do as we please, so that we could come to love Him on our own terms, rather than being MADE to love Him, as the angels are. Because of that free will, we are therefore able to think on an EARTHLY level, with ideas that come from within us, not from God.

When you decide what you're going to eat for lunch, you're deciding from factors like what you're in the mood for, what's in your fridge, what's healthier, what else you've eaten that day, etc. God doesn't put the idea in your head that you want a sandwich! That's all you, bud, and that's what I'm saying these so-called prophets are most likely doing as well. No influence from God, and no influence from Satan.

just out of interest of the subject does united church of Christ support same sex marriages ?

 

[pauluk3]

Can't think of a worse three

can you give me a top three then ...would love to xpand my mind ...waht about joseph prince he is excellent ...teaches straight from the word of God

 

[ChristianT]

Top three iPastors:

• Paul Washer
• Tim Conway
• John Piper

 

[Leonfrost]

just out of interest of the subject does united church of Christ support same sex marriages ?

The United Church of Christ does not support anything as a whole. It's more left up to the individual believer to make the choice for themselves. The church recognizes that their duty is to love and guide the individual believer, not judge them. And I hope you're not attempting to assassinate my credibility through that of my church. That would be rather...petty.

What else? Ah, yes. I'm not going to address your attempts at derailing what I'm saying. Read up on the angels, and why Lucifer turned from God. It's right there: Just type it into Google.

Now, to get back on track: Yes, I AM making the comparison. What I'm saying is that if Benny Hinn says, "Fidel Castro will die," there's a good chance that he didn't get that information from God, OR from the devil. He could have simply said that because of uprisings going on in Cuba at the time. Does that at all make sense?

If I see clouds outside, and I say, "It's going to rain," that doesn't mean God or the devil told me it would. That just means I saw the world around me, and I made a prediction. Come on man, I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

 

[Leonfrost]

sorry are you comparing a financial advisor to a prophet ?

but ok your argument is a bit vauge

depends on the finical advisor is he lead by the spirit of God ?

depends on what the investment is

depends if you have prayed about it and got conformation from other spirit lead leaders

depends if you have heard God lead you to invest this financial cash ,timing might not be right

depends if you are spirit lead ....its not one or two things its a range that tested over time

You're overcomplicating things so much it's not even funny. Let's see if I can reword this...When a financial advisor tells you what might be a wise investment for your idle cash based on the current economic trends, without praying about it first, because he can do his job fine based on fact, does that suggestion come from God or the devil?

 

[pauluk3]

The United Church of Christ does not support anything as a whole. It's more left up to the individual believer to make the choice for themselves. The church recognizes that their duty is to love and guide the individual believer, not judge them. And I hope you're not attempting to assassinate my credibility through that of my church. That would be rather...petty.

What else? Ah, yes. I'm not going to address your attempts at derailing what I'm saying. Read up on the angels, and why Lucifer turned from God. It's right there: Just type it into Google.

Now, to get back on track: Yes, I AM making the comparison. What I'm saying is that if Benny Hinn says, "Fidel Castro will die," there's a good chance that he didn't get that information from God, OR from the devil. He could have simply said that because of uprisings going on in Cuba at the time. Does that at all make sense?

If I see clouds outside, and I say, "It's going to rain," that doesn't mean God or the devil told me it would. That just means I saw the world around me, and I made a prediction. Come on man, I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

thanks frost...but i am going to end it here as i dont believe imo you and me serve the same Jesus or read from the same bible

The United Church of Christ does not support anything as a whole. It's more left up to the individual believer to make the choice for themselves.

that statement is totally new age ..left up to individuals ... what ..so you do support same sex marriages then ...( i mean if its left up to the individuals) which goes directly against the bible...does your church even use the bible as the undisputed authority ..cause the bible is crystal on that ....no thanks not for me ...many thanks ..take care

for the record lucifer turned away from God because of pride - and thats biblical

 

[Leonfrost]

thanks frost...but i am going to end it here as i dont believe imo you and me serve the same Jesus or read from the same bible

The United Church of Christ does not support anything as a whole. It's more left up to the individual believer to make the choice for themselves.

that statement is totally new age ..left up to individuals ... what ..so you do support same sex marriages then ...( i mean if its left up to the individuals) which goes directly against the bible...does your church even use the bible as the undisputed authority ..cause the bible is crystal on that ....no thanks not for me ...many thanks ..take care

for the record lucifer turned away from God because of pride - and thats biblical

I oppose you, therefore I don't serve the same God you do? That hurts, brother. And how can you say that individuals shouldn't have the choice to make educated decisions for themselves?

Stop asking about my church. Ask about ME. And stop putting words in my mouth. Your arrogance is astounding.

And since we're apparently done with this little talk, fine, I'll leave you with the same thing I tell every close-minded person like you: Do some research on just how much of the original Greek of the New Testament has been altered in the English translation process. You might find it educating, to say the least. Although you'll probably ignore me like everyone else. So be it, I won't lose sleep over what you don't know.

 

[pauluk3]

I oppose you, therefore I don't serve the same God you do? That hurts, brother. And how can you say that individuals shouldn't have the choice to make educated decisions for themselves?

Stop asking about my church. Ask about ME. And stop putting words in my mouth. Your arrogance is astounding.

And since we're apparently done with this little talk, fine, I'll leave you with the same thing I tell every close-minded person like you: Do some research on just how much of the original Greek of the New Testament has been altered in the English translation process. You might find it educating, to say the least. Although you'll probably ignore me like everyone else. So be it, I won't lose sleep over what you don't know.

i am sorry frost ..meant no disrespect...i cant judge anyones heart ....thats for God only ...so sorry if you think i have...i just dont think we are on the same page ....its not cause you opposed me ...of course not ...i enjoy healthy debate...

just for the record do you or your church agree that God is ok with same sex marriages ....cause that will really tell me alot about what you and your church believe in ?

And how can you say that individuals shouldn't have the choice to make educated decisions for themselves?

no i believe they should consult the bible and only the bible for all decisions in life ...do you disagree with that ?

why ?

this is why

Jeremiah 17:9

The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

Mark 7:21

For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,

 

[Leonfrost]

i am sorry frost ..meant no disrespect...i cant judge anyones heart ....thats for God only ...so sorry if you think i have...i just dont think we are on the same page ....its not cause you opposed me ...of course not ...i enjoy healthy debate...

just for the record do you or your church agree that God is ok with same sex marriages ....cause that will really tell me alot about what you and your church believe in ?

And how can you say that individuals shouldn't have the choice to make educated decisions for themselves?

no i believe they should consult the bible and only the bible for all decisions in life ...do you disagree with that ?

why ?

this is why

Jeremiah 17:9

The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

Mark 7:21

For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,

But you said that it was a new-agey thought, to leave the decision up to the individual. Let me clarify: My church does not dictate decisions for people. They instead tell people, "Consult the Bible, study, come to your own beliefs on your own terms at your own time. If you need help, ask."

Now as for the question of homosexuality: My church is varied, with many members, with many different beliefs. As I said, they above all believe that each person must reach their own conclusions about their faith, resulting in deeper convictions. So, some support it, some don't, just like a microcosm of the rest of Christianity.

As for ME: In order to understand my belief, you have to be aware of what has been mistranslated from the Bible's original text. Look at Leviticus, Timothy, and Corinthians. Look at its text carefully, and you'll see that, in every translation predating the first King James Version, every mention of homosexuality has instead condemned pagan sexual practices (orgies while intoxicated on potent drugs, sex with temple priestesses as a form of worship to Aphrodite), and sex between men and young boys hired as servants. Historically, King James was the first to condemn homosexuality, likely because of politics.

So my belief, after careful, prayerful, God-led study, is that homosexuality is okay. I personally don't practice it, nor could I ever imagine myself doing so. But if that's how people are, I can't find any ORIGINAL scriptural evidence to contradict it.

If you disagree, I hope we can do so peacefully. I've had my fill of being called a heretic or a false Christian on these forums, thank you very much.

 

[pauluk3]

But you said that it was a new-agey thought, to leave the decision up to the individual. Let me clarify: My church does not dictate decisions for people. They instead tell people, "Consult the Bible, study, come to your own beliefs on your own terms at your own time. If you need help, ask."

Now as for the question of homosexuality: My church is varied, with many members, with many different beliefs. As I said, they above all believe that each person must reach their own conclusions about their faith, resulting in deeper convictions. So, some support it, some don't, just like a microcosm of the rest of Christianity.

As for ME: In order to understand my belief, you have to be aware of what has been mistranslated from the Bible's original text. Look at Leviticus, Timothy, and Corinthians. Look at its text carefully, and you'll see that, in every translation predating the first King James Version, every mention of homosexuality has instead condemned pagan sexual practices (orgies while intoxicated on potent drugs, sex with temple priestesses as a form of worship to Aphrodite), and sex between men and young boys hired as servants. Historically, King James was the first to condemn homosexuality, likely because of politics.

So my belief, after careful, prayerful, God-led study, is that homosexuality is okay. I personally don't practice it, nor could I ever imagine myself doing so. But if that's how people are, I can't find any ORIGINAL scriptural evidence to contradict it.

If you disagree, I hope we can do so peacefully. I've had my fill of being called a heretic or a false Christian on these forums, thank you very much.

many thanks frost ....well to be honest you cant call yourself a chrisitan and not obey the word of God , i belive you have been deceived and misinformed in a world were truth is hard to find thats why we go to the bible the source of all truth that is unchanging - homosexailty is NOT accept by God ...he loves is gay children but they a living in sin...so as a pure and holy God he cannot have anything to do with them...sorry frost but i urge you to search your soul and let the holy spirit show you the truth ....the bible we have to day is the word of God and he is in control and will not let his word be tainted ....i promise you the bible is the way the the and the life.... take care

 

[JoeyArnold]

I dislike his obsession in healing but God does heal.

 

[tturt]

Oh, I love his focus on healing - everyone in the service and those watching needs healing body and/or soul.