the awaited messiah of the Jews

[dfw69]

hear the parable of the good seed....conserning the kingdom of heaven



24] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


hear the parable of the mustered seed....conserning the kingdom of heaven


31] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
32] Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

hear the parable of leaven....conserning the kingdom of heaven

33] Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.


hear the results of the children of the kingdom and the children of the wicked one


34] All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
36] Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37] He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];
39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43] Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[tzadik]

yawn.
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[smaneck]

does it say in the old testament...that mechisadec was without mother and father and without decent ,not having beginning of days nor ending of life and is priest forever...in the old testament?

No, in fact according to the Second Book of Enoch Melchizedek was born of a virgin, the wife of Nir, a brother of Noah. The child came out from his mother after she had died and sat on the bed beside her corpse, already physically developed, clothed, speaking and blessing the Lord, and marked with the badge of priesthood. Forty days later, Melchizedek was taken by the archangel Gabriel (Michael in some manuscripts) to the Garden of Eden and was thus preserved from the Deluge without having to be in Noah's Ark. One of the texts of the Dead Sea Scrolls states that in the Last Days he will proclaim the Day of Atonement.

 

[smaneck]

anything else about melchizedeK is written in the tanakh?

Just Psalms 110:4

"The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent: 'Thou art a priest for ever after the manner of Melchizedek.'.

 

[dfw69]

yawn.
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bye....(a smilly waving goodbye)

 

[dfw69]

No, in fact according to the Second Book of Enoch Melchizedek was born of a virgin, the wife of Nir, a brother of Noah. The child came out from his mother after she had died and sat on the bed beside her corpse, already physically developed, clothed, speaking and blessing the Lord, and marked with the badge of priesthood. Forty days later, Melchizedek was taken by the archangel Gabriel (Michael in some manuscripts) to the Garden of Eden and was thus preserved from the Deluge without having to be in Noah's Ark. One of the texts of the Dead Sea Scrolls states that in the Last Days he will proclaim the Day of Atonement.

ok ...so paul lied is your assestment right?....mine is that paul never taught it at all....an enemy has altered that text to make paul a liar....

then i hold the book of enoch to be false if thats what it says about melchizedek

 

[dfw69]

Just Psalms 110:4

"The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent: 'Thou art a priest for ever after the manner of Melchizedek.'.

and what is the lord saying here?

 

[smaneck]

ok ...so paul lied is your assestment right?....mine is that paul never taught it at all....an enemy has altered that text to make paul a liar....

Who said anything about Paul?

 

[dfw69]

Who said anything about Paul?

well paul said things that are not there right?

 

[LoAmmi]

What does this have to do with the topic?

hear the parable of the good seed....conserning the kingdom of heaven



24] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


hear the parable of the mustered seed....conserning the kingdom of heaven


31] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
32] Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

hear the parable of leaven....conserning the kingdom of heaven

33] Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.


hear the results of the children of the kingdom and the children of the wicked one


34] All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
36] Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37] He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];
39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43] Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Booko]

The gospel has been preached and the end seems to have returned the Jews to Jerusalem,... 690 + 1290 = 1980AD.

Oh cool. Time prophecies.

Could you please explain why solar years make more sense than other alternatives such as a lunar calendar (which Jews actually use) or some other alternative like the "prophetic year"?

Then fold in the references to "1260" from sources in the Tenakh and Revelation.

And Daniel's reference to 2300 days and something having to do with 1335 days. Oh yes, and the one about 42 months. Oops...also 69 and 70 weeks. Sorry, I forget Daniel was a little busy on this subject.

And Revelation's references to "three and a half" days.

I probably missed a couple more prophecies about time, but it's been a while since I tried to do this off the top of my head, sorry.

And have all those point to 1980A.D. in some fashion.

The thing about time prophecies is if you start with the wrong assumptions, you end up with answers that are off. GIGO.

But how can you tell if the assumptions are right or wrong?

I suggest this for consideration: If you can make a pattern out of many time prophecies across scripture and it hangs together in a neat little pattern, probably you're on the right track.

If you can only get one prophecy to point to a particular time and the rest don't, it's probably time to head back to the drawing board and try some different assumptions.

 

[Booko]

Can you imagine how disappointed I am having to let that set up go right past me?

Yes, I can.

 

[Booko]

nope,,,,the interprettion that you hold to be true...is a lie

Then explain to me your alternative interpretation of what the Gospel of Matthew reports Jesus said:

11:9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.

11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

The "subject" in this passage is "John the Baptist" (I bolded those parts).

And then Jesus said "this is Elias."

If Jesus wasn't talking about John, who was he talking about?

There's no one else who appears in this passage.

Unless you want to say "this is Elias" applies to "all the prophets" or "the law", but then you're applying a singular to a plural and that's not likely.

 

[Booko]

Who said anything about Paul?

He was responding to the passage in Hebrews, so probably because it's credited to Paul.

He probably doesn't realize that while the Book of Hebrews is attributed to Paul, that's been in dispute from the earliest days.

 

[LoAmmi]

Oh cool. Time prophecies.

Could you please explain why solar years make more sense than other alternatives such as a lunar calendar (which Jews actually use) or some other alternative like the "prophetic year"?

Actually our calendar is a mix of lunar and solar since Passover has to always come in the spring and a lunar calendar would have the days moving throughout the entire year as time passed.

 

[Booko]

ok ...so paul lied is your assestment right?....mine is that paul never taught it at all....an enemy has altered that text to make paul a liar....

OK, normally to show a text has been meddled with one looks at a range of manuscripts looking for variations that would indicate such a thing happened.

This is my husband's field, not mine, and he does 17th century English lit not Biblical manuscripts, but the methods are not that difficult to understand and they're used with Biblical manuscripts in the same way.

Textual criticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If an enemy has altered the text, what evidence is there to be had from comparing which manuscripts to show there was a change?

There are probably better sources, but hey, my time is a bit limited:

Textual variants in the New Testament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can't read Greek beyond what shows up in symbols in mathematics, sciences, and APL, but if I'm looking at the variants right it's down to slight variations in mostly single words, and no mention of interpolations.

 

[dfw69]

My time is also limited today...Wifey getting upset that i spend to much Time on this forum..lol....its Wifey time today...hope to answer post soon....peace

 

[Booko]

Actually our calendar is a mix of lunar and solar since Passover has to always come in the spring and a lunar calendar would have the days moving throughout the entire year as time passed.

Oh, I know, but I've seen so many people apply the Gregorian calendar to Biblical prophecy as if it's the only possibility, because...it seems to be the only calender they know exists. But using the Gregorian calendar seems like an unwarranted assumption.

Maybe it works, but it seems a bit odd God wouldn't speak in terms of something that might've been in use by Daniel and/or John of Patmos.

 

[Booko]

My time is also limited today...Wifey getting upset that i spend to much Time on this forum..lol....its Wifey time today...hope to answer post soon....peace

Tell your wife "hi!" from CWR, and as I'm a wife myself, you are a VERY smart man to pay attention to her requests for family time.

 

[smaneck]

well paul said things that are not there right?

Paul said nothing on this topic.

You do realize that Paul didn't write Hebrews?