so what's with this notion part ll

[FranciscanSpirit]

Jesus, the Head of the Catholic Church said, "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." - Matthew 22:30

So you think people should not marry?

 

[FranciscanSpirit]

You're the one who is falsely calling people bigots. .

BIGOT: ... a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

Pretty much the only non-bigot in the thread is the gay guy.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Excuse me. Plenty of straight people are in support of same gender civil unions. No one is forcing anything on you. Who others enter into this legal civil contract with is not your business. And, as many Christian Pastors perform marriage ceremonies for marry same gender couples, also, not your business.

Your position seems to be: "Okay, you're gay, stay away."

As long as they don't actually insist on existing you are fine with them.

And there is the problem.

To have a civil union - a couple is looking for sex and committing the act...
AND then we enter into the wrongs of such a choice...

WHICH leads us to - IT IS our business.

For one - its against our faith. Its against anyone who is either Christian or Muslim in fact. If not most religions. It is intrinsically disordered and a GRAVE act.

You understand what grave is?
AND as long as it opposes our faith we stand against it.

IF you havent noticed Bishops speak out against gay marriages [unions]
Furthermore; as Christians we are called to help others seek chastity and doing the Lord's will, not accepting the world's free for all.

This union is not what our Creator endowed as a right.
WHICH is where we derive our rights - in America. NO matter who would like to disagree or otherwise throw God out.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.

 

[FranciscanSpirit]

So all heterosexual people have happy families,and easy lives.

I didn't even bother with the rest, the GIGANTIC STRAWMAN in the first sentence blocked my view.

I said they have to deal with:

the idea they are NEVER supposed to have the same kind of intimate family relationships that straight people take for granted.

Whatever kinds of relationships people build with their opuses and children and extended families, all straight people simply take for granted, without thought, that this is not only an option but an expectation.

This is denied to someone because they are gay. Not just the fact of it, but the hope for it.

In America we ask kids what they want to be when they grow up. That's because we have this idea that people are free to choose their own path. Few paths exist that don't include all the possibilities of marriage and family.

Imagine that you are a child and you are going to be a pipe-fitter when you grow up. Because you have no choices about career. That's it. This one path is all you get.

That would not be as bad as the idea that you will never ever be allowed to form an intimate loving union with a spouse. Or simply try to. Or raise a child. Or have a family.

 

[FranciscanSpirit]

Courage does not demand that one deny their same-sex attractions, it recognizes SSA and provides support in dealing with it. Courage's first goal is compliance with the Church's teachings on human sexuality. Human sexuality comes in two flavors: male and female. There is no option for neuter.

And God bless you abundantly in your journey.

 

[FranciscanSpirit]

AGAIN i said:.

Yeah. I was actually referring to what Jesus said, not whatever you decided to bring into it to make it say what you wish it did.

Good bye.

 

[BabyChristian22]

To recap...

In Heaven we do not marry and we are not sexual beings,.
Period.

wow, okay... this is what WA says... (and its really offensive, BTW) but where does the CHURCH say the same? Oh... she doesn't. that is an opinion of yours that sounds really biggoted, IMO.

Baby- you stand by this? a YES or a NO. No other words are necessary or wanted. where in tarnations does the Church teach this hog wash?

Jesus, the Head of the Catholic Church said, "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." - Matthew 22:30

But where does the Church, the CHURCH! in an offical statement- TEACH that a gay, its the Lord will, for them to live like they are already in heaven with no sexuilty at all? where does the Church say that? and like its useless to argue with the Prots when they pull the bible says so game... I will not do the same with you. Are you a Prot? No. So who do you think you are to tare a page out of their play book?

You said she was a bigot because she said that there's no sex in Heaven. And you asked me to show where the Catholic Church teaches this. I showed you where Jesus says this. WA obviously knew that Jesus said this and was repeating what Jesus had said. WA was in line with Catholic teaching with what she said, but you were not.

Sure.. that is exactly what I said... sure....what ever you say, if you say that's what I said, then gosh darn, I said that! roll eyes...

wow, okay... this is what WA says... (and its really offensive, BTW) but where does the CHURCH say the same? Oh... she doesn't. that is an opinion of yours that sounds really biggoted, IMO.

 

[BabyChristian22]

Jesus, the Head of the Catholic Church said, "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." - Matthew 22:30

So you think people should not marry?

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." - Matthew 22:30

This is what Jesus said.

 

[WarriorAngel]

That's exactly right. Makes you wonder why Mary keeps appearing as a woman being as she isn't one anymore.

Where do you get the mistaken belief that gender disappears.
Our Lady is called Our Lady...Our Mother.

Look do i have to start from the beginning with all of this?

Genders do not equate to having sex.

JESUS said there will be no marrying in Heaven. Or giving in marriage... that doesnt mean ppl lose their genders.

Procreation - the purpose of sex - is not done in Heaven, it is only on earth we have children.

ALL children born of humans are born only on earth. NO one is born in Heaven.
Unless you have some added twist to Origens heresy.

This is not a logical construct. Do You know why? Because if this were true and you had to be a non sexual person because that's the Lord's Will, the Church would teach that no one should have sex. Ever.

Wow, speaking of twists. Where did you get this?

But... we are not in Heaven. We are here. We are body and spirit. We are sexual creatures. This is God's Will for us. Or we wouldn't be.

Look i gave advice - the Our Father is prayed that we do His will, and that it is as it is in Heaven.

IF you want to do His will as it is in Heaven, do not actively seek disordered sex.

IS that so difficult to comprehend?

Now, what did Jesus say? He said: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND BE KIND TO ONE ANOTHER.

That's it.

O no no no no no...where did you get that?

And for mercy sakes do not quote 'judge not' because it is wrong. Judging someone is specifically saying..'SO and so is in hell' or 'so and so is going to hell.'

Which is different than..
"brothers keeper'

Christian tradition they are. . .

The corporal works of mercy:
feeding the hungry
giving drink to the thirsty
clothing the naked
offering hospitality to the homeless
caring for the sick
visiting the imprisoned
burying the dead

The spiritual works of mercy:
admonishing the sinner
instructing the ignorant
counseling the doubtful
comforting the sorrowful
bearing wrongs patiently
forgiving all injuries
praying for the living and the dead

Some Sources In Scripture​

Matthew 25:31-46
Isaiah 58:6-7
Hebrews 13:3
1 John 3:17
Tobit 4:5-11
Matthew 6:2-4
Luke 3:11, 11:41
James 2:15-16

That's the whole crux of the Gospels.

What gay people do is none of your business. Never has been, never will be.

PERIOD.

I personally think God is going to prefer a gay couple of warmth and charity over a self-righteous prig of a hetero Catholic pretty much every time.

Look, you are completely and absolutely in error.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Yeah. I was actually referring to what Jesus said, not whatever you decided to bring into it to make it say what you wish it did.

Good bye.

Well, at least you are beginning to understand the teachings are based on historical knowledge and ...what was the term used..?

O yah

So who do you think you are to tare a page out of their play book?

Which doesnt make sense since it was the Church's book before anyone else tried to claim it.

However; misinterpreting scriptures is tearing out a verse or two and trying to chose what it means as opposed to the entire Bible.
Full context in the entirety is essential. Comprehending Jewish tradition as well as NT is ideal.

BUT i might get out my Notes on the Bible in my new Bible i got from class i could see if they specify this one verse. But its unlikely because they give the context of what led to His words in context of the Jewish understanding.

 

[FranciscanSpirit]

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." - Matthew 22:30

This is what Jesus said.

I asked a question, if you don't want to answer it, then don't, but don't pretend you did by not answering.

Do you think that because Jesus said this, people here on earth should not marry?

Please ignore if you do not wish to answer.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

RE: OP, simple double standard. That took over 1300 posts?

 

[benedictaoo]

We are mind body and spirit and while we are still in this flesh- we can't deny our material being.

Its a form of Gnosticism to hate our body or the material world, to think its evil. Sex is a part of us in the here and now and so we have to integrate it, not deny it.

all a gay person or a lesbian has to do is choose celibacy or they can marry the opposite sex if they feel they can stomach it. yes they can become some super spiritual and/or live a hermits life if that is what they feel God calls them to do.

They use to be able to become prist, but that's now out.

So... they can be all these things, ceibute, hermit, married to the opposite sex, be parents, ect, BUT this does not entail being A sexual, or de sexual.

To hate our sexuality, bodies or say its so evil and I'll go to hell if I don't act like sexuality inside of me exsist is, Gnostic.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

They use to be able to become prist, but that's now out.

Why?

 

[benedictaoo]

Courage does not demand that one deny their same-sex attractions, it recognizes SSA and provides support in dealing with it. Courage's first goal is compliance with the Church's teachings on human sexuality. Human sexuality comes in two flavors: male and female. There is no option for neuter.

but I'm the devil because this is how I see it. I aligned myself with the Church and this apparently is what is offending others.

I paid special attention to the words the Church use-- NOT the bloggers, the apologists, those with 2 cents that no one asks for anyway-- but what the Church says and it lead me to see gay ppl should be accepted and embraced by the Church, not outcasted or until they give up their sin, then we'll let them in.

Its a hospital for them just like its one for us.

 

[benedictaoo]

Why?

because they are to blame for the sex abuse of kids. because I guess , I really don't know, gay is synonymous with pedophile.

the reality is this; Benedict scape goated the scandal instead of taking responsibility, using gay priests or tried to.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

because they are to blame for the sex abuse of kids. because I guess , I really don't know, gay is synonymous with pedophile.

the reality is this; Benedict scape goated the scandal instead of taking responsibility, using gay priests or tried to.

but are homosexuals not allowed to be priests anymore?

 

[Miss Shelby]

Why?

it's thought that the pedophilia scandal was due to lack of stringency in the screening process for entrance to the seminary, iow, the whole thing was because the Church saw fit to ordain homosexuals in the 60's. So, if a man indicates tendancies apparently he will not be accepted into the seminary.

 

[WarriorAngel]

We are mind body and spirit and while we are still in this flesh- we can't deny our material being.

Its a form of Gnosticism to hate our body or the material world, to think its evil. Sex is a part of us in the here and now and so we have to integrate it, not deny it.

all a gay person or a lesbian has to do is choose celibacy or they can marry the opposite sex if they feel they can stomach it. yes they can become some super spiritual and/or live a hermits life if that is what they feel God calls them to do.

They use to be able to become prist, but that's now out.

So... they can be all these things, ceibute, hermit, married to the opposite sex, be parents, ect, BUT this does not entail being A sexual, or de sexual.

To hate our sexuality, bodies or say its so evil and I'll go to hell if I don't act like sexuality inside of me exsist is, Gnostic.

Christ said:



1Matthew 5:29
And if thy right eye scandalize thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell.








You on the other hand think it is fine to compare the sins of a disorder that we are told is not only an abomination to God, but will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven - as though it is heresy to avoid such sins and embrace them instead.


Given i showed you the Catechism. I showed you scriptures, I showed you the Church teachings.


I also think you are thinking of the Manicheans. Gnostics believed that there were hidden secrets of the Gospels that were not taught.


Regardless - you consider the sage advice to everyone who is fighting a disorder to take their minds and set it on God and avoid calling themselves ANYTHING but Christian to avoid temptation of the flesh which is disordered - as a heresy and not towards Sainthood - is seriously wrong.


DO I NEED to re-quote the Catechism on this??
Did you miss it the first time??.


AND you cannot equate the sins of homosexuality to hetero. Hetero is ordered and we do not hate the flesh. BUT we dang sure should avoid thinking about homosexuality as a God given right.


Christ was solemn when He said to cut out an eye for sin.
Not that this is what we do per say - but the fact He even suggested it means we CAN GO TO HELL for even looking at something that causes us sin.


OR how about hetero men who even LOOK AT A WOMAN with LUST - have already sinned...?



Where do you get the idea you can even possibly compare the two??


Wow.


YES gays - SSA should de-sexualize because for them it is worse. I cant believe you even compared the two.

 

[WarriorAngel]

because they are to blame for the sex abuse of kids. because I guess , I really don't know, gay is synonymous with pedophile.

the reality is this; Benedict scape goated the scandal instead of taking responsibility, using gay priests or tried to.

Pedaresty is the problem.
Which is a homosexual tendency to seek out adolescent boys.

The media calls it pedophilia to embrace all ages of the victims, it is really adolescent boys. AND it is through homosexuality that the problem has risen.

SO Benedict is MORE versed on whats going on than an arm chair combatant of the Church and her teachings.

Frightening Gay Statistics


Although most homosexual activists publicly deny that they want access to boys, many homosexual groups around the world are working aggressively to lower the age of sexual consent. Their cause is being aided by the professional psychiatric and psychological associations, which have moved n recent years toward normalizing pedophilia, much as they did with homosexuality in the early 1970s.


Kevin Bishop, an admitted pederast (pedophile), is promoting the work of the North American /Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) in South Africa. Bishop, who was molested at the age of six, is also an admitted homosexual who is blunt about the relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia. "Scratch the average homosexual and you will find a pedophile," said Bishop in an interview with the Electronic Mail & Guardian (June 30, 1997). (Angella Johnson, “The man who loves to love boys,” Electronic Mail & Guardian, June 30, 1997, Article or page not found - Mail & Guardian Online: The smart news source.)


SO while you defend the constitution of gays and their need to be a sexual being, then turn to tear apart the Church - you are totally and completely being a hypocrite towards the priesthood as though they should HAVE known how this whole thing works and be chastised for it, you who refuse to acknowledge how it all works - defend the same type.

NOT TO SAY all gays do this - but the fact you defend their sexuality which is actively the force behind accepting pedaresty is amazing to me.


AND call me the heretic...in so many ways.