Different state past

[dad]

You don't remember that discussion? The one in which you were roundly defeated? I suppose it's happened so often that one time just blurs into another.

Excellent you claim some great case. So, let us all see it here and now! Show us the killer punch that you imagine you or someone else threw?? Paaleeeese. Thought you were fooling anyone??

If I recall correctly, you scoffed at the notion that the Creator (praise be upon her hair) created the world last Tuesday, and any memories and evidence we have of the "time before" were created by her. You then couldn't give anything remotely resembling evidence that this was not the way things were.

Ah....so that is your secret weapon so called winner. Run along sonny.

 

[dad]

That is not proof.

dad, defeated.

That is God's word. Undefeated. How sweet it is. Science to prove trees grew at present rates? Oh...you have none? Aw...ho hum.

 

[dad]

Dad, how much effort would you put into debating with someone who is blind, yet argues vehemently that the sky is neon green and trees are just a conspiracy theory?

I already won. It is not argument happening here, but reeducation. Avail yourself of it.

 

[Tiberius]

No. I am proposing that you are welcome to offer something on the DSP here, rather than allude to imaginary battles.

Perhaps you missed post 18?

 

[Davian]

That is God's word. Undefeated. How sweet it is. Science to prove trees grew at present rates? Oh...you have none? Aw...ho hum.

You've made a lot of claims, and demanded proofs of others; perhaps we should (re)establish a baseline here:

Do you believe that the Earth rotates and orbits the Sun?

 

[Davian]

By reading It.

Thomas Edison invented the light bulb.

• 1. What did Thomas Edison do in the above statement?

God created the Heaven and the Earth.

• 2. What did God do in the above statement?

Superman built the Fortress of Solitude.

• 3. What did Superman do in the above statement?

 

[rambot]

Dad,
In your alternate reality, wouldn't there be PERVERSE amounts of physical evidence that clearly indicate a different state past if there was one? And I don't mean inferential, or "I can't explain 'x' in current state therefore it MUST have been different" logic. And certainly, if there was a different state, then written records from around the world would all directly and precisely corroborate these differences. You yourself seem to indicate there is only SOME corroboration (assuming you didn't make it up).

Another question: Why do you have to PROVE a same state past? For the atomic theory to be true today, does not require that it was true 10,000 years ago. But if atomic models were different pre-flood, there would certainly be evidence indicating that.
One can assume a same state past until evidence indicates a different state past (which it does not).

Really, the onus is on you to prove different state....and seems like a pretty poor job is being done so far.

 

[rambot]

ps dad...
I enjoy your posts where you present yourself as the internet discussion forum equivalent of a bombastic blowhard wrestler making all kinds of stupid claims about how great your arguments are and how awful your opponent's argument is. The only difference, I suppose is that, eventually, a wrestler gets into the ring...

 

[AV1611VET]

Superman built the Fortress of Solitude.

• 3. What did Superman do in the above statement?

Built the Fortress of Solitude.

 

[CabVet]

I already won. It is not argument happening here, but reeducation. Avail yourself of it.

 

[Cromulent]

Excellent you claim some great case. So, let us all see it here and now! Show us the killer punch that you imagine you or someone else threw?? Paaleeeese. Thought you were fooling anyone??

I worked it out myself. Call it my contribution to the world. And so far nobody has been able to disprove it. Not even "undefeated" dad. All you've done is throw blather my way. It's quite pathetic really. If you're going to blather, at least try not to do it so transparently.

Ah....so that is your secret weapon so called winner. Run along sonny.

I'm not running anywhere. I'm standing still with my challenge, you're the one backing away and trying to skirt round the edges. If you're so brilliant, prove the world existed before last Thursday. Prove the Creator (may her nose be blessed with all the pleasant scents of a summer meadow) didn't just plant "evidence" with her amphibian-like evidence-planting powers. It shouldn't be too hard for someone of your *ahem* gifts.

 

[Davian]

Superman built the Fortress of Solitude.

• 3. What did Superman do in the above statement?

Built the Fortress of Solitude.

Thanks. Just confirming that your list could include fictional characters.

 

[Cromulent]

Judges 1:19: And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

What did God do in the above statement?

 

[AV1611VET]

Judges 1:19: And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

What did God do in the above statement?

Assuming you're asking me, He drove out the inhabitants of the mountain.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.

 

[Cromulent]

Assuming you're asking me, He drove out the inhabitants of the mountain.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.

But he couldn't drive out the inhabitants of the valley. Because they had iron chariots. Or is your interpretation different from mine?

 

[AV1611VET]

But he couldn't drive out the inhabitants of the valley. Because they had iron chariots. Or is your interpretation different from mine?

That's not what you asked, chief.

Go back and read your question again.

And read mine while you're at it.

I answered yours -- let's see you, or anyone, answer mine.

 

[rambot]

Assuming you're asking me, He drove out the inhabitants of the mountain..

Incorrect. Judah drove them out of the mountain. The LORD was with Judah.



Yikes. How can we trust your understanding of the Genesis account?

 

[AV1611VET]

Incorrect. Judah drove them out of the mountain. The LORD was with Judah.

How did I know that was coming?

That's not the way it works.

If Judah would do her part, God would do His.

He knows Judah can't drive them out on their own. They couldn't even enter the Promised Land without God's presence, even when they tried.

Numbers 14:45 Then the Amalekites came down, and the Canaanites which dwelt in that hill, and smote them, and discomfited them, even unto Hormah.

 

[rambot]

How did I know that was coming?

That's not the way it works.

When you say "it"...you mean the English language right? Because that is what we are discussing here; hermeneutics

ps...not sure what your question is cause I don't see a single one from you in this thread.

 

[CabVet]

How did I know that was coming?

That's not the way it works.

If Judah would do her part, God would do His.

He knows Judah can't drive them out on their own. They couldn't even enter the Promised Land without God's presence, even when they tried.

Numbers 14:45 Then the Amalekites came down, and the Canaanites which dwelt in that hill, and smote them, and discomfited them, even unto Hormah.

You may interpret it that way, but that is not what is written.