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Is belief enough to be saved?
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i like to come up, and bite of those ugly webbed feet, before the duck knows what happened. Then, i sink him, and eat him, and let the feathers float about, as a warning to other ducks, not to fuse faith and law.
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Ishraqiyun
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Has anyone here experienced salvation in connection with a belief? Did the belief actually cause it?
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let me just say, works are great, really.
but how on earth, do u change the flesh, with works!?
that old duck went to the cross, it died, it was not tinkered with or adjusted a bit...rom 6;6.
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Spiritual warfare.
Gods truth says we must submit to Gods will. If we reject this truth we will be deceived. If we want to see the truth we must submit to Gods will or at least admit that we need to, no matter how much it hurts, no matter how much the devil attacks us. If we hold on to Gods truth at all costs God will reward us with more truth. Satan will make us feel condemned, this is certain, we must resist it and soon he will flee and we will see that God still loves us and that we are not condemned. Satan attacks us because he wants to steal Gods word from us. One simple rule to remember is this, although God corrects us, he never condemns us, any feelings or thoughts of condemnation are lies from satan. This lie from satan will try to make us think that God has cut us off, or is sending us to hell. Anything positive comes from God, but beware, satan is crafty, he will try to make his lies appear positive, its really just a trick to get us to reject Gods truth found in the Word. If what we believe agrees with Gods word then we know its true, if it doesn't agree with the word of God then its a lie from Satan and we must reject it. God will correct us but that's not negative because God always corrects us, and his correction always agrees with His word. Don't confuse satan's condemnation with Gods correction.
Php 3: 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing
Eph 6:10 My brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Php 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. 20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. 29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Gods truth says we must submit to Gods will. If we reject this truth we will be deceived. If we want to see the truth we must submit to Gods will or at least admit that we need to, no matter how much it hurts, no matter how much the devil attacks us. If we hold on to Gods truth at all costs God will reward us with more truth. Satan will make us feel condemned, this is certain, we must resist it and soon he will flee and we will see that God still loves us and that we are not condemned. Satan attacks us because he wants to steal Gods word from us. One simple rule to remember is this, although God corrects us, he never condemns us, any feelings or thoughts of condemnation are lies from satan. This lie from satan will try to make us think that God has cut us off, or is sending us to hell. Anything positive comes from God, but beware, satan is crafty, he will try to make his lies appear positive, its really just a trick to get us to reject Gods truth found in the Word. If what we believe agrees with Gods word then we know its true, if it doesn't agree with the word of God then its a lie from Satan and we must reject it. God will correct us but that's not negative because God always corrects us, and his correction always agrees with His word. Don't confuse satan's condemnation with Gods correction.
Php 3: 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing
Eph 6:10 My brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Php 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. 20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. 29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
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Yes, well, it was through faith. As for what caused that to happen, that wasn't faith.
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Galatians 5:22-26
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Excellent verse for thread! Praise the Lord, Jesus loves us so much, God is good.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Excellent verse for thread! Praise the Lord, Jesus loves us so much, God is good.
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Originally Posted by Lion King
Bump....
You already have interpreted it, since you keep repeating to me what you think it MEANS (bold part).
Linda's Place: "..and you won't offer an interpretation as to how this man went to heaven with NO Works."
I have offered you numerous passages that fully state we will all be justified by works and not faith only, but you keep using that single passage from Paul, which to be honest, does not mean what you think it means.
Linda's Place: "..and you won't offer an interpretation as to how this man went to heaven with NO Works."
I have offered you numerous passages that fully state we will all be justified by works and not faith only, but you keep using that single passage from Paul, which to be honest, does not mean what you think it means.
Bump....
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Another thought I had on eternal life. It looks to me like eternal life is something we acquire. And it seems to me that if its something that we acquire then its something we can reject. This is just totally me and may be way off base, but I see eternal life as something that goes on whether we have it or not and if we have it and decide to opt out it still goes on. In other words the eternal of eternal life does not depend on our possession of it. It's eternal whether we have it or not.
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No person can say Jesus Is Lord except by The Holy Spirit in them testifying to this fact via being within that person to do so.
Most of theology breaks down at this point to positions of monergism or synergism. Most sects hang under various shades of these two understandings. Both understandings have flaws and blind spots.
If theology was not engaged with spiritual understandings, it would largely be a mix of philosophy and psychology, both of which are now contained within theology. The arena of theology today is infiltrated and even dominated and overlapped by the other fields. Theology has lost it's roots in spiritual matters and has become worldly matters posing as theology.
Theology is much more interesting.
So, to your original question, once belief comes individual subjectivity comes to the forefront. Theology seeks to examine and uncover the abundant array of individual or sectarian subjectivity from the scriptures in spiritual understandings, with the ultimate goal being unity in Truth and Spirit.
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Originally Posted by Montalban
May I ask why you are in full agreement with Montalban? I'm asking because I'm unsure if he is saying we are saved by our works or not. His position on this is rather unclear to me. According to Scripture, we are not saved by our works, but by the grace of God through our faith in Jesus Christ (John 1:12-13; 3:16-18; 3:36; 4:14; 5:24; 6:26-27; 6:35-40; 6:47-51; 6:54; 10:27-29; 11:25-26; 12:44-46; 17:1-5; Romans 3:16-18; 21-26; 4:2-6; 5:1-11; 6:22-23; 8:1; 9:31-33; 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 1:4-9; 2 Corinthians 5:17-19; Ephesians 1:13-14; 2:4-10; Colossians 1:13-14; 2:10; Galatians 2:16; 2:21; 3:4; Titus 1:2; Titus 3:4-7; 1 John 5:9-13; 1 John 5:20), in accordance with the riches of His grace (Ephesians 1:7-8). There's more I could add to this, but I think this is enough for now.
The thing is one has to have faith and works. Not just faith. Not just works.
Saying "I'm a Christian" and doing nothing, or doing bad doesn't help.
Saying "I'm a Christian" and doing nothing, or doing bad doesn't help.
May I ask why you are in full agreement with Montalban? I'm asking because I'm unsure if he is saying we are saved by our works or not. His position on this is rather unclear to me. According to Scripture, we are not saved by our works, but by the grace of God through our faith in Jesus Christ (John 1:12-13; 3:16-18; 3:36; 4:14; 5:24; 6:26-27; 6:35-40; 6:47-51; 6:54; 10:27-29; 11:25-26; 12:44-46; 17:1-5; Romans 3:16-18; 21-26; 4:2-6; 5:1-11; 6:22-23; 8:1; 9:31-33; 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 1:4-9; 2 Corinthians 5:17-19; Ephesians 1:13-14; 2:4-10; Colossians 1:13-14; 2:10; Galatians 2:16; 2:21; 3:4; Titus 1:2; Titus 3:4-7; 1 John 5:9-13; 1 John 5:20), in accordance with the riches of His grace (Ephesians 1:7-8). There's more I could add to this, but I think this is enough for now.
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Ishraqiyun
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If a candle is burning it will glow. The glow doesn't make the candle burn but there is no burning without glowing. The two are related despite the fact that the glow isn't the cause of the burning. I see the same thing with works and salvation. Works could be thought of as glow which arise simultaneously with the burning. The ignition being an act of grace from God which allows both faith (ie trust in God), works, love, and knowledge of the Father which is Salvation.
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