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Is belief enough to be saved?

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Topic: Justification, Justifier, Justify

[SIZE=+1]<A-1,Noun,1347,dikaiosis> [/SIZE]
denotes "the act of pronouncing righteous, justification, acquittal;" its precise meaning is determined by that of the verb dikaioo, "to justify" (see B); it is used twice in the Ep. to the Romans, and there alone in the NT, signifying the establisment of a person as just by acquittal from guilt. In Rom. 4:25 the phrase "for our justification," is, lit., "because of our justification" (parallel to the preceding clause "for our trespasses," i.e., because of trespasses committed), and means, not with a view to our "justification," but because all that was necessary on God's part for our "justification" had been effected in the death of Christ. On this account He was raised from the dead. The propitiation being perfect and complete, His resurrection was the confirmatory counterpart. In Rom. 5:18, "justification of life" means "justification which results in life" (cp. ver. 21). That God "justifies" the believing sinner on the ground of Christ's death, involves His free gift of life. On the distinction between dikaiosis and dikaioma, see below. In the Sept., Lev. 24:22.

[SIZE=+1]<A-2,Noun,1345,dikaioma> [/SIZE]
has three distinct meanings, and seems best described comprehensively as "a concrete expression of righteousness;" it is a declaration that a person or thing is righteous, and hence, broadly speaking, it represents the expression and effect of dikaiosis (No. 1). It signifies (a) "an ordinance," Luke 1:6; Rom. 1:32, RV, "ordinance," i.e., what God has declared to be right, referring to His decree of retribution (AV, "judgment"); Rom. 2:26, RV, "ordinances of the Law" (i.e., righteous requirements enjoined by the Law); so Rom. 8:4, "ordinance of the Law," i.e., collectively, the precepts of the Law, all that it demands as right; in Heb. 9:1,10, ordinances connected with the tabernacle ritual; (b) "a sentence of acquittal," by which God acquits men of their guilt, on the conditions (1) of His grace in Christ, through His expiatory sacrifice, (2) the acceptance of Christ by faith, Rom. 5:16; (c) "a righteous act," Rom. 5:18, "(through one) act of righteousness," RV, not the act of "justification," nor the righteous character of Christ (as suggested by the AV: dikaioma does not signify character, as does dikaiosune, righteousness), but the death of Christ, as an act accomplished consistently with God's character and counsels; this is clear as being in antithesis to the "one trespass" in the preceding statement. Some take the word here as meaning a decree of righteousness, as in ver. 16; the death of Christ could indeed be regarded as fulfilling such a decree, but as the Apostle's argument proceeds, the word, as is frequently the case, passes from one shade of meaning to another, and here stands not for a decree, but an act; so in Rev. 15:4, RV, "righteous acts" (AV, "judgments"), and Rev. 19:8, "righteous acts (of the saints)" (AV, "righteousness").
Note: For dikaiosune, always translated "righteousness," See RIGHTEOUSNESS.
[SIZE=+1]<B-1,Verb,1344,dikaioo> [/SIZE]
primarily, "to deem to be right," signifies, in the NT, (a) "to show to be right or righteous;" in the Passive Voice, to be justified, Matt. 11:19; Luke 7:35; Rom. 3:4; 1 Tim. 3:16; (b) "to declare to be righteous, to pronounce righteous," (1) by man, concerning God, Luke 7:29 (see Rom. 3:4, above); concerning himself, Luke 10:29; 16:15; (2) by God concerning men, who are declared to be righteous before Him on certain conditions laid down by Him.
Ideally the complete fulfillment of the law of God would provide a basis of "justification" in His sight, Rom. 2:13. But no such case has occurred in mere human experience, and therefore no one can be "justified" on this ground, Rom. 3:9-20; Gal. 2:16; 3:10,11; 5:4. From this negative presentation in Rom. 3, the Apostle proceeds to show that, consistently with God's own righteous character, and with a view to its manifestation, He is, through Christ, as "a propitiation ... by (en, 'instrumental') His blood," Rom. 3:25, RV, "the Justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus" (Rom 3:26), "justification" being the legal and formal acquittal from guilt by God as Judge, the pronouncement of the sinner as righteous, who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. In Rom 3:24, "being justified" is in the present continuous tense, indicating the constant process of "justification" in the succession of those who believe and are "justified." In Rom. 5:1, "being justified" is in the aorist, or point, tense, indicating the definite time at which each person, upon the exercise of faith, was justified. In Rom. 8:1, "justification" is presented as "no condemnation." That "justification" is in view here is confirmed by the preceding chapters and by verse Rom. 3:34. In Rom. 3:26, the word rendered "Justifier" is the present participle of the verb, lit., "justifying;" similarly in Rom. 8:33 (where the article is used), "God that justifieth," is, more lit., "God is the (One) justifying," with stress upon the word "God."
"Justification" is primarily and gratuitously by faith, subsequently and evidentially by works. In regard to "justification" by works, the so-called contradiction between James and the Apostle Paul is only apparent. There is harmony in the different views of the subject. Paul has in mind Abraham's attitude toward God, his aceptance of God's word. This was a matter known only to God. The Romans Epistle is occupied with the effect of this Godward attitude, not upon Abraham's character or actions, but upon the contrast between faith and the lack of it, namely, unbelief, cp. Rom. 11:20. James (Jas. 2:21-26) is occupied with the contrast between faith that is real and faith that is false, a faith barren and dead, which is not faith at all.
Again, the two writers have before them different epochs in Abraham's life, Paul, the event recorded in Gen. 15, James, that in Gen. 22. Contrast the words "believed" in Gen. 15:6 and "obeyed" in Gen. 22:18.
Further, the two writers use the words "faith" and "works" in somewhat different senses. With Paul, faith is acceptance of God's word; with James, it is acceptance of the truth of certain statements about God, (Jas. 2:19), which may fail to affect one's conduct. Faith, as dealt with by Paul, results in acceptance with God., i.e., "justification," and is bound to manifest itself. If not, as James says "Can that faith save him?" (Jas. 2:14). With Paul, works are dead works; with James they are life works. The works of which Paul speaks could be quite independent of faith: those referred to by James can be wrought only where faith is real, and they will attest its reality. So with righteousness, or "justification:" Paul is occupied with a right relationship with God, James, with right conduct. Paul testifies that the ungodly can be "justified" by faith, James that only the right-doer is "justified." See also under RIGHTEOUS, RIGHTEOUSNESS.
 
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I agree we are not saved by our works neither is it possible for us to be saved by our works. We are saved through grace (unmerited favour) through faith. However we are saved by works, we are saved by the work of the cross through atonement. We accept God’s finished work in place of our unacceptable work. After we receive salvation the work of the cross continues to sanctify our old sinful nature and as a consequence we must exhibit works of salvation. As we are always able to exercise free will we need to give ourselves to do that work.

Therefore rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if you do these things, you shall never fall. 2 Peter 1:10

how does the old sinful nature get sanctified, in light of the fact that it was crucified?

That's the whole point, it couldn't be fixed, it was put to death. That's why we are set free, we died with Christ, and were raised.:)

. rom 6;6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
 
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We have to follow Jesus & bear the reproach of being "outside the camp" (the religious establishment).:cool:
Heb13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. 10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. 11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. 12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. 13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

yup..and that was against the old cov religious crowd. The Mt Sinai people.
 
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Nah, the verb &#7952;&#960;&#953;&#964;&#949;&#955;&#941;&#963;&#949;&#953; is in the future indicative which means that the action is being performed until the day of Christ Jesus not that the perfection will be until the day of Christ Jesus. Basically Paul expressed conviction that the God who initiated the savific process would finish it.

I do understand what you are trying to say, but the Scriptures do call us to "be holy for our LORD is holy" (1 Peter 1:16) and also to strive to be found blameless when the LORD returns.

However, as you said before, if we do sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father, in Jesus Christ. Worthy is the Lamb of God!:bow:

What distinguishes saving faith from nominal faith in relation to works?

Saving faith is faith that has been perfected by works, and nominal faith is dead faith.

God begins the good work (salvation) and God will carry it to completion. All that the Father has given to Jesus will not be taken out of His hand. My point is that those that have saving faith will not die in disbelief. Some might even leave for a while but never permanently. As I said in another post, I can let go of Jesus hand but He will never let go of mine.

Eph. 1
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[b] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

..and yet, the Scriptures also warns us not to grieve (Ephesians 4:30) or quench the Holy-Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19). Why would the LORD warn us that, if it were not possible?

Also Peter clearly warns us that people with faith can indeed fall away from grace:

For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22

And before you suggest that these people only had "nominal faith" to begin with, I implore that you look at the underlined parts first. It says they turned from the holy commandment given unto them, meaning they walked in love at one point in their lives before being overcome by sin again.

Saving faith is a working faith. Of that there can be no argument, however, the point here is to make the difference between nominal faith and saving faith. Works are a natural result of saving faith and as I posited earlier, all Christians with saving faith have works. There is much to teach from John 15 and a full exegete would take pages. :)

Is love a result of faith?

Yep but even Paul knew who was written in the book of life. :)

A person's name can be blotted out of the book of life, is that not correct?
 
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Like the priest in the front of the temple boasting about how much good he was doing and he only gave a small portion of his money.

His 'works' were hollow

all you prove is byproduct, we know we want to do good works, the byproducy of salvation, but you don't disprove faith alone for justification.

here..say this verse both ways, and tell me of you don't then see faith alone?


Rom 3;28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law


28 For we hold that one is justified by faith from works of the law
 
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Christ in me....in me..that was the description of the body of Christ, in Colossians...try to see outside of time and space.

So Paul telling us to obey our elders, and what type of man to have as bishop was what...? a joke?
 
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So Paul telling us to obey our elders, and what type of man to have as bishop was what...? a joke?

did u read those verses, did u see faith alone when u read it without "apart"?

please, it is still a mystical body....

is the temple seen on earth? again, lets leave the time and space cube.:thumbsup:


eph 2;21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit
 
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What's the point of being asked to do something that's a by-product?

it was a byproduct, and you still never disprove faith alone...

I might ask u to be a polite poster, but u r not saved by being a polite poster.
 
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it was a byproduct, and you still never disprove faith alone...
Is that a sentence?
I might ask u to be a polite poster, but u r not saved by being a polite poster.

That's missing the point. Why would you ask me to do something my changed nature would already compel me to do?

Do you have kids? Do you say "Before you go to school, I want you to breathe?"
 
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it was a byproduct, and you still never disprove faith alone...

I might ask u to be a polite poster, but u r not saved by being a polite poster.
Our loss for now, but hey! We're finaly on the same thread & not just lookin' over each other's shoulder. Just one question (speaking of pests):
Do you attract more flies than you eat?;)
 
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Is that a sentence?


That's missing the point. Why would you ask me to do something my changed nature would already compel me to do?

Do you have kids? Do you say "Before you go to school, I want you to breathe?"

like i said, taaaint saved by beiins a polite poster!:D

ok, now is this in time and space, the church?


eph 2;21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit

did u read the verse without apart? u r building a a question debt here rather quickly.:D
 
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Our loss for now, but hey! We're finaly on the same thread & not just lookin' over each other's shoulder. Just one question (speaking of pests):
Do you attract more flies than you eat?;)

i eat ducks.:D
 
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