There is no OSAS

[Lindas Place]

He is not writing or erasing? Where do you get that?

Yes he has planned before the foundation of the world to save everyone through Jesus Christ. But that doesn't mean he is heartless, he offers salvation to all people. As 1 John 2:2 states "Not ours only, but also the whole worlds"

If no ones name is being written or erased, then there is no reason to believe in Christ Jesus. Preaching is in vain. Studying is in vain. Everyone should despair then, there is no assurance.

And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. Revelation 13:8,

And those who dwell on the earth will wonder, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. Revelation 17:8,

 

[Sieben]

Revelation 22:19
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

/erase

 

[Lindas Place]

Re-gifting salvation? I don't think so. He's warning them that even tho they are chosen to have been given faith and both a faith community & a nation to house it, all that can be stripped away & themselves exiled as captives, just like the Jews.
God doesn't save you from damnation, let you slide back into damnation & save you again. Once you have eternal life, you have life eternaly.

True... "Eternal Life" is ....eternal.... life. That alone should settle the matter.

 

[Lindas Place]

Revelation 22:19
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

/erase

God knows what we will or won't do... the book was completed before the foundation of the world. There is no eraser.


Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. (Ephesians 1:4)

 

[Lion King]

When does a person receive the Holy Spirit?

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory Ephesians 1:13-14

Does this mean God has accepted them?
Acts 15:8
God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

Will Jesus lose any the Father gives Him?
John 6:37-39
37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

I'm afraid you still do not fully understand the Scriptures. Jesus Christ will not lose any of those who live in the Spirit, for the Holy Spirit will NEVER guide anyone to sin. Christ will never lose any of those who remain in Him, NEVER!

However, if any slips back to living in the flesh and does not repent, then the Father, will easily cut that person off from the vine.

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples." John 15:1-8

The message is clear: Remain in Jesus Christ and He will remain in you.

 

[Sieben]

God knows what we will or won't do... the book was completed before the foundation of the world. There is no eraser.


Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. (Ephesians 1:4)

I don't believe in pre-destination. Because it makes God out to be a narrowminded God I would rather not believe in.

 

[Lindas Place]

I don't believe in pre-destination. Because it makes God out to be a narrowminded God I would rather not believe in.

God can't help the fact that He knows the end from the beginning. It does not change the outcome… He knew if you would or would not accept Him, even before you were born.

 

[Sieben]

God can't help the fact that He knows the end from the beginning. It does not change the outcome… He knew if you would or would not accept Him, even before you were born.

Knowing is not the same as choosing the outcome for me.
He tells everyone to repent.
He gave everyone the chance to be saved as it says "he does not wish anyone to perish but to come to repentance"

 

[Lion King]

Re-gifting salvation? I don't think so. He's warning them that even tho they are chosen to have been given faith and both a faith community & a nation to house it, all that can be stripped away & themselves exiled as captives, just like the Jews.
God doesn't save you from damnation, let you slide back into damnation & save you again. Once you have eternal life, you have life eternaly.

Did you not read the part where Israel can be grafted back in if they believe again?

Anyway, Salvation is given only to those who endure temptation right to the END, brother.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:13

All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. Matthew 10:22

Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life. Revelation 2:10

Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 1 Corinthians 9:25

Similarly, if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules. 2 Timothy 2:5

Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day--and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. 2 Timothy 4:8

Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him. James 1:12


God bless.

 

[Lion King]

Knowing is not the same as choosing the outcome for me.
He tells everyone to repent.
He gave everyone the chance to be saved as it says "he does not wish anyone to perish but to come to repentance"

Correct. God wants EVERYONE to repent and believe in His only begotten Son, and not just some. Jesus Christ died for the whole world after all.

 

[Rick Otto]

Salvation is given to those who were yet enemies of God.
It isn't a reward for your performance. It is an undeserved mercy you get as reward for His performance.
You are simply referring to going to heaven. While only saved people go there, it is not a reward for performance, and hose people were saved the moment before they first believed. You can't have faith, you can't make sense of the gospel, unless you are not perishing.

 

[Lindas Place]

I'm afraid you still do not fully understand the Scriptures. Jesus Christ will not lose any of those who live in the Spirit, for the Holy Spirit will NEVER guide anyone to sin. Christ will never lose any of those who remain in Him, NEVER!

However, if any slips back to living in the flesh and does not repent, then the Father, will easily cut that person off from the vine.

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples." John 15:1-8

The message is clear: Remain in Jesus Christ and He will remain in you.

You must read it in context... The disciples considers the vine to be… Israel. That’s why Jesus say’s “I am the TRUE vine”… if they do not believe in the TRUE vine, Jesus, they will be cut off along with all the other unbelieving Jews. If you read further John 16 clears this up, they did remain and received the Holy Spirit.

Jeremiah 2:21
21 I had planted you like a choice vine
of sound and reliable stock.
How then did you turn against me
into a corrupt, wild vine?

(John 16:30-31)
Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God. "You believe at last!" Jesus answered.

 

[Rick Otto]

Correct. God wants EVERYONE to repent and believe in His only begotten Son, and not just some. Jesus Christ died for the whole world after all.

That was written to those who believe. He wants all who believe to come to repentance. The "whole world" doesn't literaly (technicaly) mean every single individual ever to have existed. It was idiomatic expression for the non-Jewish world.

 

[Lindas Place]

Knowing is not the same as choosing the outcome for me.
He tells everyone to repent.
He gave everyone the chance to be saved as it says "he does not wish anyone to perish but to come to repentance"

Correct, repent means to "change your mind" the bible say's to repent, change your mind and believe the good news... Christ died for sinners.

 

[Lion King]

That was written to those who believe. He wants all who believe to come to repentance. The "whole world" doesn't literaly (technicaly) mean every single individual ever to have existed. It was idiomatic expression for the non-Jewish world.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age. Titus 2:11-12

ALL means ALL brother. Both Jew and Gentile...the whole-wide WORLD and every human being in it that has ever lived or will live.

 

[Lion King]

Salvation is given to those who were yet enemies of God.
It isn't a reward for your performance. It is an undeserved mercy you get as reward for His performance.
You are simply referring to going to heaven. While only saved people go there, it is not a reward for performance, and hose people were saved the moment before they first believed. You can't have faith, you can't make sense of the gospel, unless you are not perishing.

Oh, but no. Salvation is only for those who keep the commandments of God and hold the faith of Jesus Christ right unto death. Only those can be rightly called children of God.

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21

 

[Lindas Place]

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age. Titus 2:11-12

ALL means ALL brother. Both Jew and Gentile...the whole-wide WORLD and every human being in it that has ever lived or will live.

I love God's discipline... He a perfect Father!

And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, Hebrews 12:5

because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son." Hebrews 12:6

Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. Hebrews 12:7-8

No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. Hebrews 12:11


Proverbs 3
11 My son, do not despise the LORD's discipline
and do not resent his rebuke,
12 because the LORD disciplines those he loves,
as a father the son he delights in.

 

[Sieben]

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age. Titus 2:11-12

ALL means ALL brother. Both Jew and Gentile...the whole-wide WORLD and every human being in it that has ever lived or will live.

Also 1 John 2:2 is a good verse too.

"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."

Propitiation basically means he settled the DEBT OF SIN

 

[Lion King]

You must read it in context... The disciples considers the vine to be… Israel. That’s why Jesus say’s “I am the TRUE vine”… if they do not believe in the TRUE vine, Jesus, they will be cut off along with all the other unbelieving Jews. If you read further John 16 clears this up, they did remain and received the Holy Spirit.

Jeremiah 2:21
21 I had planted you like a choice vine
of sound and reliable stock.
How then did you turn against me
into a corrupt, wild vine?

(John 16:30-31)
Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God. "You believe at last!" Jesus answered.

I believe it is you who must fully read that passage..."every branch that does not bear fruit will be cut off". If anyone does not bear the fruit of the Spirit, they will be cut of by the LORD, no exceptions.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

 

[Lindas Place]

Oh, but no. Salvation is only for those who keep the commandments of God and hold the faith of Jesus Christ right unto death. Only those can be rightly called children of God.

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21

they relied on their work

Matthew 7
15 Watch out for false prophets.

Matthew 7
21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:40

Matthew 7
22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Matthew 7
23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." Romans 9:31-33

his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3 13-15