Is eating Pork wrong?

[sleepingdog]

Is eating pork wrong?

Leviticus 11:7-8:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. 8Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.


Deuteronomy 14:8:And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Are we supposed to touch and eat what is unclean?

 

[deogracias]

Cher frères & sœurs en Jésus-Christ, Bien évidemment manger du porc est naturel pour un catholique. Pourquoi ne voulez-vous pas en manger, c'est bon. Tout est bon dans le cochon, des oreilles aux pieds. Savez-vous comment on écrit "famille" en chinois? 家. C'est un toit avec un cochon dessous. Cela veut dire qu'avec un toit et un cochon, vous pouvez vivre! Les ancêtres des français, les gaulois, l'avaient bien compris, ils chassaient le cochon sauvage pour sa viande, le sanglier. Sursum corda!

 

[riverrat]

sleepingdog wrote:

is eating pork wrong?

Leviticus 11:7-8:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. 8Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.


Deuteronomy 14:8:And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Are we supposed to touch and eat what is unclean?

I suggest reading Col 2:16-23 and Romans 14:13-23 and then decide.

 

[sleepingdog]

Pig and Pork Facts

THE pig or swine is a very popular food item with most Christians. Yet Christians are unaware that the God they profess to believe in had condemned the eating of swine's flesh. The condemnation was based on some very sound biological principles. Here are some facts on pork that prove it to be a very unhealthy food to eat:

A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, excrement, dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They will even eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals.

The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison.

When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time.

Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration is a means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does not sweat, the toxins remain within its body and in the meat.

Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with strychnine or other poisons.

Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the pigs will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the venom.

When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.

Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as tapeworms, flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts,and eggs will be killed.

Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.

Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.

The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their carcase (Leviticus 11:8).

The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once ingested can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the brain. This results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes lacking, but when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, arthritis, rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or acute alcoholism.

The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a sewer line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of the foot. Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its system fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig.

There are other reasons grounded in biological facts that could be listed to show why pigs and swine should not be eaten. But a true Christian should only need one reason why not to eat this type of food because God prohibited it.

"And the swine, because it divides the hoof, yet does not chew the cud, it is unclean unto you: you shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase." - Leviticus 11:7,8; Deuteronomy 14:8

Those who say Christ abolished the law condemning pork are motivated by their stomach not Scripture. The problems with pork are biological, and Christ never changed the laws of biology.

 

[riverrat]

sleepingdog : I got pork chops laid out and marinading for the grill tonight. Come on over and I will add one or two for you.

 

[sleepingdog]

sleepingdog : I got pork chops laid out and marinading for the grill tonight. Come on over and I will add one or two for you.

You eat Pork,I don't.
We are not supposed to...
Leviticus 11:7-8 and Deuteronomy 14:8.
Since when did Jesus do away with the food laws?

 

[riverrat]

sleepingdog wrote:

Since when did Jesus do away with the food laws?

When he died on the cross.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Whats the difference between John (who come not eating and drinking) given it says the law and the prophets were until John, and Jesus (who followed after) who come eating and drinking (because since John) the Kingdom of God was preached (which is also not in meat and drink)?

 

[JRSut1000]

I sense another law/no law debate coming up.... either GOD said it or He didnt. That's enough for me!

 

[ChristianT]

regarding the OP, we ourselves are unclean. Because we sin, and disobey G-d every day (every few hours even), we are unclean; impure. Noticing this before anything was created by Him, He decided to be merciful to us, and gave up Himself so we could commune with Him. (This is basically the idea of the Gospels, God's undeserved grace to us who are unclean).

When Isaiah saw G-d on the Throne, he said "woe is me, for I am a man of unclean lips among a people of unclean lips." since the lips are connected to the body, and it is said out of the mouth come the intentions of the heart, the people were unclean.

Does dirt get dirtier if it touches gravel? They are ridiculous questions from the start, almost the same as "Can soap become cleaner if we wash it?"

something that already is "X" cannot become more "X". (It might be able to, but if it's already "X", what does it matter how "X" it is?)

 

[riverrat]

JRSut1000 wrote:

I sense another law/no law debate coming up.... either GOD said it or He didnt. That's enough for me!

It all depends on who God said it to and when he said it.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Is eating pork wrong?

Leviticus 11:7-8:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. 8Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.


Deuteronomy 14:8:And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Are we supposed to touch and eat what is unclean?

Mark 7:15
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.


This covers all food and drink period. It is the words a man speaks that defile the man, much like false doctrine.

Did God change his mind? Or was it the mind of man that needed to change in order to percieve the true spiritual meanings contained in the law of Moses?

Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Heb 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Hebrews says these were imposed, carnal ordinances UNTIL, though sorta like John, as Jesus said John came NOT eating and drinking verses Jesus who came eating and drinking. Which makes sense, in that Jesus said the law and the prophets were UNTIL John and SINCE that time the Kingdom of God is preached and the apostle said the Kingdom of God is not in meat and drink, saying eslewhere meat commendeth us not unto God, and meats for the belly and the belly for meats, God will destroy both it and them.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Heb 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Hebrews says these were imposed, carnal ordinances UNTIL, though sorta like John, as Jesus said John came NOT eating and drinking verses Jesus who came eating and drinking. Which makes sense, in that Jesus said the law and the prophets were UNTIL John and SINCE that time the Kingdom of God is preached and the apostle said the Kingdom of God is not in meat and drink, saying eslewhere meat commendeth us not unto God, and meats for the belly and the belly for meats, God will destroy both it and them.

Yes, but the greater Glory of the law(Spirit) could not be seen until the original glory of the law(flesh of the law) was removed by the Spirit in Jesus Christ. Jesus parted the vail with his own flesh on the cross to reveal that greater Glory through his resurrection by the Spirit.

That is why Moses wore a vail to cover his face(the Glory of God which shown in it) when he read the law to the children of Israel, because they could look to the end of it. It was to be a sign to them that the True Glory of the Law was yet to be revealed in Jesus Christ.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Yes, but the greater Glory of the law(Spirit) could not be seen until the original glory of the law(flesh of the law) was removed by the Spirit in Jesus Christ. Jesus parted the vail with his own flesh on the cross to reveal that greater Glory through his resurrection by the Spirit.

That is why Moses wore a vail to cover his face(the Glory of God which shown in it) when he read the law to the children of Israel, because they could look to the end of it. It was to be a sign to them that the True Glory of the Law was yet to be revealed in Jesus Christ.

That was beatifully put bro amen

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Heb 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Hebrews says these were imposed, carnal ordinances UNTIL, though sorta like John, as Jesus said John came NOT eating and drinking verses Jesus who came eating and drinking. Which makes sense, in that Jesus said the law and the prophets were UNTIL John and SINCE that time the Kingdom of God is preached and the apostle said the Kingdom of God is not in meat and drink, saying eslewhere meat commendeth us not unto God, and meats for the belly and the belly for meats, God will destroy both it and them.

Fire, notice your qoute from Hebrews 9:10 said those carnal ordinances, and also note they were imposed on them. Meaning they were a burden laid upon them, just as Paul said the first covenant gendered to bondage, which is a heavy burden compared to what Jesus said of his easy and light burden was like.

So why the Burden? Because Israel rebelled against the Word of the Lord from the get go. The Lord said in Ezekiel....

Ezekiel 20:23-25

King James Version (KJV)



23I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
24Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. 25Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

But the thing was, it was not the statutes that were bad, it was the way their carnal mind recieved them, which is as carnal.

But when the vail of the flesh is removed, we can then see by the Spirit the greater glory intended in those ordinances, which were a reflection of the heavenly.

 

[abysmul]

sleepingdog wrote:



When he died on the cross.

Amen.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Fire, notice your qoute from Hebrews 9:10 said those carnal ordinances, and also note they were imposed on them. Meaning they were a burden laid upon them, just as Paul said the first covenant gendered to bondage, which is a heavy burden compared to what Jesus said of his easy and light burden was like.

So why the Burden? Because Israel rebelled against the Word of the Lord from the get go. The Lord said in Ezekiel....

Ezekiel 20:23-25

King James Version (KJV)



23I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
24Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. 25Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

But the thing was, it was not the statutes that were bad, it was the way their carnal mind recieved them, which is as carnal.

But when the vail of the flesh is removed, we can then see by the Spirit the greater glory intended in those ordinances, which were a reflection of the heavenly.

Its called a yoke thats for sure bro, this is how I was catching somewhat


Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Roman 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Ezek 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Gal 3:1 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2Cr 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Paul gave ordinances too, but I dont know what keyword this particular study I have is under and I certainly dont feel like going through 483 documents to find it out

I hate this new computer, it pulls up documents under keywords found inside the doc and not just the titles, and when you type in law every doc with the law mentioned comes up and its hell to search through them all.

 

[Ash Crimson]

Another stupid rule that has no practical value in real life...

I find religion to be VERY impractical to modern life. :/

There is no logic behind this rule. Modern pork is no worse - or better - for you than beef or chicken or anything else processed we eat.

 

[abysmul]

Another stupid rule that has no practical value in real life...

I find religion to be VERY impractical to modern life. :/

There is no logic behind this rule. Modern pork is no worse - or better - for you than beef or chicken or anything else processed we eat.

Modern "religion" basically sucks


James 1:27
Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.