Cancer

[Question.Everything]

Cancer is a result of the world being in a fallen state.

So...we sin, and God punishes us with cancer and other things that randomly kill or torture us? Not sure why anybody would be motivated in believing in this God.

Would you challenge God who makes all the rules, whose ways are higher than yours, whose thoughts are higher than yours? Would you challenge Him to justify Himself if He stood in front of you?

Yes.

Why does God not accept my challenge? Why does he wait until the moment I die to say "haaaaaaaa, I told you so"?

 

[Question.Everything]

Christian theology assumes there are no innocent people.

Depressing, even babies are born guilty. Again, it boggles my mind that people want to believe this stuff.

Your question assumes that death is bad because it is the end of existence.

Wow. If anybody is assuming here, it's you.

I could care less about arguing what happens after we die, nobody wins that argument. Death is bad because it tortures people with pain, tears families apart, and causes sorrow.

Death happens. Deal with it.

Ok?

With the ever-increasing number of these death-related threads, I'm beginning to think you have a very intense fear of death which you have not quite satisfied in your psyche as yet. If you were not concerned with death, you would not be posting these. Fear of death is probably the central fear in many, many people's lives. It often grips me as well.

Sorry to ruin your psycho-analysis but no. I don't want to to die, but I certainly don't fear it. I'm actually kind of excited to find out what happens (if anything).

Again, when I bring up death I am not talking about anything concerning supernatural hocus pocus. When I question God's allowance of innocent death I am talking about the immense physical pain and emotional sorrow of loved ones. I think a loving God would not want us to go through this.

 

[Question.Everything]

Jesus healed everyone that came to Him

He heals nobody now. As in zero people.

And you have no proof that he healed anybody when he existed or how he did it. Not sure why you'd believe in something that has no proof. As in zero proof.

 

[Question.Everything]

How so? Because I pointed out that your perspective on life is one you do not share with God? So by contradicting your understanding of the meaning of life you had to try and trivialize my representation of suffering in order to preserve your own?? It doesn't sound like you are ready to indeed question everything. As I have pointed out many times to you, your questions need to begin with your own understandings and perceptions. You are not the standard of knowledge you believe yourself to be.

As I first pointed out, you started by misinterpreting my "understanding" of things. You ignored that here.

Then you starting babbling about "eternal life", something you have ZERO proof for. Something that has not one shred of proof is simply not true, you cannot face this (you deflect by supposing the opposite). Eternal life has nothing to do with my question, I am only concerned with the real pain and suffering that actually goes on in the world. Justifying cancer with eternal life is only something I'll accept when you can show me that eternal life is an actual thing. Can you do that?

 

[Question.Everything]

Some innocent people get to go home quicker than others.

What does this mean? Where is "home"? Is it a place?

Old age is “genetic” and can kill us.

Precisely. Aging is a disease that 100% of us have, and the death rate is 100%. This is God's design?

 

[gennaoanothen]

He heals nobody now. As in zero people.

And you have no proof that he healed anybody when he existed or how he did it. Not sure why you'd believe in something that has no proof. As in zero proof.

LOL you have got to be kidding.
Of course Jesus still heals today. He healed me, got the doctors reports.
Have prayed for many people and Jesus healed them, and yes, even healed of cancer. Glory to God our Father.

zero proof, LOL see church history, read the Roman writtings of the 1st century. watch this video

Deaf Girl Healed - YouTube

 

[Lukaris]

What you are not understanding from us is that we already take it for granted all of the sorrows of this life in a fallen world. These are not easy to bear in this life. It is only from God by our conscience (whether one believes this or not) that we gain even a sense of compassion for our neighbor to try to do good to one another. This is obviously evident among Christians & non Christians and so is the sinful propensity to do evil to one's neighbor. It is only by our faith in God by His incarnation, life, death, & resurrection in Jesus Christ that the promise of everlasting life free of death's sting that we will no longer sorrow. In this world as we conform to God's will anything from healings by prayer to new vaccines point us towards God but we must allow ourselves to believe this, give thanks & not sorrow. This is not easy but it is necessary.

 

[drich0150]

As I first pointed out, you started by misinterpreting my "understanding" of things. You ignored that here.

Then you starting babbling about "eternal life", something you have ZERO proof for. Something that has not one shred of proof is simply not true, you cannot face this (you deflect by supposing the opposite). Eternal life has nothing to do with my question, I am only concerned with the real pain and suffering that actually goes on in the world. Justifying cancer with eternal life is only something I'll accept when you can show me that eternal life is an actual thing. Can you do that?

You've done that for us when you question the compassion of a God who would allow cancer. When you question God you acknowledged the eternal God of the Bible, and all of the trappings their in.

If there is no God then what is the purpose of the question? If there is a God but no eternal life then you are not speaking of the God of the bible, and again what is the point of the question. (we are supposed to be exploring Christianity) Your question presupposes all of the things you now want to doubt. If you wish to separate God from eternity then you have to drop this line of questioning and start one that reflects your new intentions.

 

[bling]

What does this mean? Where is "home"? Is it a place?

Home for the innocent is heaven.

Precisely. Aging is a disease that 100% of us have, and the death rate is 100%. This is God's design?

So Cancer speeds up the process and the innocent get to go home to heaven sooner than later.

 

[leftrightleftrightleft]

Again, it boggles my mind that people want to believe this stuff.

If its the truth, then its the truth. The truth doesn't bend to our subjective whims just because it "boggles" some of our minds that it could be true.

Whether you decide if its the truth or not does not change whether it is the truth or not.

Wow. If anybody is assuming here, it's you.

I could care less about arguing what happens after we die, nobody wins that argument. Death is bad because it tortures people with pain, tears families apart, and causes sorrow.

It does not have to do any of those things if we do not fear death. I have seen the rare person of great faith in my life have a loved one die and be almost happy for them that they get to continue their existence in full.

If you have a loved one who goes away on a journey far away, you may be slightly melancholic that they are leaving, but you would never say that their leaving on the journey is "bad" even if it causes some pain and tears.

If everyone truly believed in an afterlife and believed that they would eventually meet up in the afterlife as well, then our society would have a completely different understanding of life and death and it would not be "bad".

Sorry to ruin your psycho-analysis but no. I don't want to to die, but I certainly don't fear it. I'm actually kind of excited to find out what happens (if anything).

I do not believe you even remotely. But that's ok.

Again, when I bring up death I am not talking about anything concerning supernatural hocus pocus. When I question God's allowance of innocent death I am talking about the immense physical pain and emotional sorrow of loved ones. I think a loving God would not want us to go through this.

So the universe you would like for God to have created is one without death?

God did not create death. It is an absence. Just as you cannot create darkness, you can only create light. You cannot create death, you can only create life. God created life. God is life. The world we live in is not heaven and is therefore disconnected from the full presence of God. The disconnection is why death exists; there is an absence of God in full and therefore an absence of eternal life. The Bible describes that humans are somehow intricately connected to this state of affairs.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Question. Everything. God is Love, and God loves us all. We live in an imperfect world, and Cancer is one of many Evils this world has. Do you want God to protect all He loves? that would be All, and then we would be simply Robots. We are in this world for a purpose, and we have to learn to overcome all adversity. God is always ready to help, but God will not run our lives, but God will always give us His everlasting Love, and is there to help and console and strenghten us. I say this with love, Question. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[razeontherock]

Why does God allow cancer to mutate in the first place in somebody innocent?

To somebody who smokes a pack a day, I can see the justice in getting lung cancer.

What I can't grasp is somebody healthy and completely innocent having their cells randomly attack themselves into a stage of lethal cancer (prostate, breast, etc.). Cancer is genetic as well as environmental, meaning people thousands of years ago could have died of cancer and just had no idea what it was that killed them. So I would reject the argument that it's a result of our influence on the environment.

My grandmother died of lung cancer when I was 8. She was an RN, never smoked a day in her life, and walked many miles each way to get her groceries right up until the time was hospitalized.

As you might imagine, I had to deal with the realities involved. As you couldn't possibly imagine, I woke up to my Sister's troubled state of having the same dream the morning before getting the news of each relative's death on that side of the family.

To say that this caused me to seek Truth and Spirituality would be an understatement! Anyone that says they understand all this is lying, but a few things we can know:

the Bible uses leprousy as a type for sin, and I think cancer conveys the same idea. We die due to sin. None of us are sin-free.

Assuming that God is all-powerful, I can't quite understand why he would allow this to happen to people he loves.

That is not a safe assumption, and His rules dictate that if any cure for cancer exists, it will be developed by us. And there are alternative methods of treatment that are at least as effective as effective as normal methods in western medicine, chemo, surgery etc.

 

[enprever]

I've heard Christians say cancer is a "gift" from god to teach us humility and the like.

 

[drich0150]

I've heard Christians say cancer is a "gift" from god to teach us humility and the like.

If you eternal future rested on one or two years of having to deal with cancer, would you elect to have it? What if it meant you would have the proof of God you sought, and you absolutely knew God to be who He said He was, and all of your doubts and fear went away?

Would this not be a gift at any cost?

 

[enprever]

If you eternal future rested on one or two years of having to deal with cancer, would you elect to have it? What if it meant you would have the proof of God you sought, and you absolutely knew God to be who He said He was, and all of your doubts and fear went away?

Would this not be a gift at any cost?

Scary.

Gives a whole new shudder to the thought of what it means when some nay-go-gooder pipes up, "Ima gonna pray for you!" Please, keep your "prayers" to yourself, thank you.

 

[drich0150]

Scary.

Gives a whole new shudder to the thought of what it means when some nay-go-gooder pipes up, "Ima gonna pray for you!" Please, keep your "prayers" to yourself, thank you.

What is truly scary is the one who would shun an eternity with God for a few years of uninterrupted ignorant bliss.

 

[enprever]

What is truly scary is the one who would shun an eternity with God for a few years of uninterrupted ignorant bliss.

Not as scary as so-called "christians" who use black magic to curse people by praying imprecatory curses over people. Straight up demonic.

 

[salida]

So you think people who have diseases are all cursed? Mankind's nature has fallen-so without Christ a person is cursed. This is who is cursed. I have been fighting this stuff for years and its brought me even closer to God in a way I would have never known. I'm in remission but have to see the doctor the rest of my life.

Cancer many times is a genetic issue-that is why the doctor asked for a family history. Christians are called to suffer-its not a rose garden.

1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you.

Ro 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Mt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Should be concerned about ones spirit)

 

[drich0150]

Not as scary as so-called "christians" who use black magic to curse people by praying imprecatory curses over people. Straight up demonic.

So your saying all illness is the result of a black magic curse?

 

[enprever]

So your saying all illness is the result of a black magic curse?

If we're including self-invoked. Most people curse themselves. But that's beside the point, since I am addressing the smarmy christians who pipe up, "I'll pray for you!" I shudder at the thought of what that actually means. I do not imagine it is anything good, but rather a curse. And I believe all curses are demonic, whether supposedly rooted in teh bible or not.