Cancer

[Question.Everything]

Why does God allow cancer to mutate in the first place in somebody innocent?

To somebody who smokes a pack a day, I can see the justice in getting lung cancer.

What I can't grasp is somebody healthy and completely innocent having their cells randomly attack themselves into a stage of lethal cancer (prostate, breast, etc.). Cancer is genetic as well as environmental, meaning people thousands of years ago could have died of cancer and just had no idea what it was that killed them. So I would reject the argument that it's a result of our influence on the environment.

Assuming that God is all-powerful, I can't quite understand why he would allow this to happen to people he loves.

 

[drich0150]

Why does God allow cancer to mutate in the first place in somebody innocent?

To somebody who smokes a pack a day, I can see the justice in getting lung cancer.

What I can't grasp is somebody healthy and completely innocent having their cells randomly attack themselves into a stage of lethal cancer (prostate, breast, etc.). Cancer is genetic as well as environmental, meaning people thousands of years ago could have died of cancer and just had no idea what it was that killed them. So I would reject the argument that it's a result of our influence on the environment.

Assuming that God is all-powerful, I can't quite understand why he would allow this to happen to people he loves.

So you argument is that a loving God would not allow a person He loved to suffer?

What of this life? is this life not suffering? Is Death not freedom from this life is death not our birth into eternity? So in a sense to live is to suffer to die is find peace and freedom.

 

[Faulty]

Which types of death are on your approved list?

 

[ephraimanesti]

Why does God allow cancer to mutate in the first place in somebody innocent?

To somebody who smokes a pack a day, I can see the justice in getting lung cancer.

What I can't grasp is somebody healthy and completely innocent having their cells randomly attack themselves into a stage of lethal cancer (prostate, breast, etc.). Cancer is genetic as well as environmental, meaning people thousands of years ago could have died of cancer and just had no idea what it was that killed them. So I would reject the argument that it's a result of our influence on the environment.

Assuming that God is all-powerful, I can't quite understand why he would allow this to happen to people he loves.

MY BROTHER,

We live in a fallen world! There is very little about our World which remains according to God's original plan, especially man and his sinfulness. "The wages of sin is death" sums up the answer to your question. Some die from one cause, some another, but death itself is universal.
Most cancers are traceable to one type of pollution or another in the environment, and stem back to man's destruction of the integrity of our physical world. Most carcinogens, as you probably know are produced directly by humans. Why would you expect God to rescue us from our own ungodly folly--especially when we are all under a death sentence already?

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

 

[bsd31]

...What I can't grasp is somebody healthy and completely innocent...

Jesus Christ was nailed to a cross by Romans at the behest of the Jewish religious leaders. He did not die of cancer.

 

[Question.Everything]

So you argument is that a loving God would not allow a person He loved to suffer?

No.

What of this life? is this life not suffering? Is Death not freedom from this life is death not our birth into eternity? So in a sense to live is to suffer to die is find peace and freedom.

A classic dodge of the question.

 

[Question.Everything]

Which types of death are on your approved list?

A classic dodge of the question.

 

[Question.Everything]

MY BROTHER,

We live in a fallen world! There is very little about our World which remains according to God's original plan, especially man and his sinfulness. "The wages of sin is death" sums up the answer to your question. Some die from one cause, some another, but death itself is universal.
Most cancers are traceable to one type of pollution or another in the environment, and stem back to man's destruction of the integrity of our physical world. Most carcinogens, as you probably know are produced directly by humans. Why would you expect God to rescue us from our own ungodly folly--especially when we are all under a death sentence already?

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

A classic dodge of the question.

This is not about man's impact on the environment, it is about the random genetic mutation that occurs to produce cancer in innocent humans.

 

[Question.Everything]

Jesus Christ was nailed to a cross by Romans at the behest of the Jewish religious leaders. He did not die of cancer.

A classic dodge of the question.

 

[gennaoanothen]

Assuming that God is all-powerful, I can't quite understand why he would allow this to happen to people he loves.

here is a free book on the topic
The ministry of healing; or ... - Adoniram Judson Gordon - Google Books

 

[Question.Everything]

here is a free book on the topic
The ministry of healing; or ... - Adoniram Judson Gordon - Google Books

A classic dodge of the question.

Answer it for yourself.

 

[ephraimanesti]

A classic dodge of the question.

This is not about man's impact on the environment, it is about the random genetic mutation that occurs to produce cancer in innocent humans.

MY BROTHER,

#1. There are no "innocent humans."

#2. Sinful man's impact upon God's creation has much to do with the state of the world today--a state which atheists and other non-thinker attempt to blame on God. A prime example beyond your cancer red-herring, is another thread which asks why God allows starvation in so much of the world. The answer is, of course, that God has nothing to do with it--the 1st world nations WASTE enough food each day to feed everyone in the 3rd world. God has provided/we have wasted. And etc.

If you are unable to respond to the answers you receive to the rather sophmoreish questions you feel driven to ask beyond your "a classic dodge of the question" mantra, perhaps there are other, less tedious, ways for you to amuse yourself.

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

 

[Question.Everything]

MY BROTHER,

#1. There are no "innocent humans."

#2. Sinful man's impact upon God's creation has much to do with the state of the world today--a state which atheists and other non-thinker attempt to blame on God. A prime example beyond your cancer red-herring, is another thread which asks why God allows starvation in so much of the world. The answer is, of course, that God has nothing to do with it--the 1st world nations WASTE enough food each day to feed everyone in the 3rd world. God has provided/we have wasted. And etc.

If you are unable to respond to the answers you receive to the rather sophmoreish questions you feel driven to ask beyond your "a classic dodge of the question" mantra, perhaps there are other, less tedious, ways for you to amuse yourself.

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

Again, a classic dodge of my original question.

I blame nothing on God personally as I do not think he is there to blame. It is on you to explain God's reasoning for the allowance of innocent death due to cancer.

Answer my question or stay out of this thread; I don't mean to be hostile but I'm not interested in any sidestepping of my question.

 

[bsd31]

Again, a classic dodge of my original question.

I blame nothing on God personally as I do not think he is there to blame. It is on you to explain God's reasoning for the allowance of innocent death due to cancer.

Answer my question or stay out of this thread; I don't mean to be hostile but I'm not interested in any sidestepping of my question.

Your "question" is loaded and ignorant. You are trying to bait people into saying what you want them to say. You expect there's going to be some big "gotcha" moment but there is not. Everyone has answered your question they just haven't given you the answer you want to hear.

Let me break it down for you -

Throughout all of human history there has only been one human being who is innocent. That is Jesus Christ. He is the only one who has EVER lived that did not deserve death. The wage of sin is death and all people except Jesus are steeped in sin. Yes, even innocent babes reek of sin in the sight of God.

Here's the answer to your question; People die from cancer because the wage of sin is death. It is that simple. That is the justice of God on display in all of its glory.

 

[Question.Everything]

Here's the answer to your question; People die from cancer because the wage of sin is death. It is that simple. That is the justice of God on display in all of its glory.

Absolutely disgusting. How is a random attack of cancer a 'sin'?

Explain how there is glory in an innocent (perhaps Christian) mother dying of breast cancer.

How is this justified?

 

[bsd31]

Absolutely disgusting. How is a random attack of cancer a 'sin'?

Explain how there is glory in an innocent (perhaps Christian) mother dying of breast cancer.

How is this justified?

I didn't say a random attack of cancer was a sin. I said "the wage of sin is death" Cancer is a result of the world being in a fallen state. If the world was not fallen there would be no cancer, no degeneration, no decay, no death. Right now however it is fallen, but do not despair one day the Lord will recreate everything imperishable.

As to how there is glory in death from cancer. It's not the death that is glorious but rather the sovereign power of God Almighty that is glorious. That He gives life and takes it away. That He is the potter and we are the clay with no right to question why He does good to one and brings another to ruin.

How is what justified? Would you challenge God who makes all the rules, whose ways are higher than yours, whose thoughts are higher than yours? Would you challenge Him to justify Himself if He stood in front of you?

 

[leftrightleftrightleft]

Answer my question or stay out of this thread; I don't mean to be hostile but I'm not interested in any sidestepping of my question.

You are asking a question to a Christian audience. Your questions assumes there are innocent people. Christian theology assumes there are no innocent people.

Ephraim pointed this out by saying "#1: No one is innocent".

I'm not sure what other answer you are expecting.

I will add more to this too:

You are asking a question to a Christian audience. Your question assumes that death is bad because it is the end of existence. Christian theology assumes that death is not necessarily bad and may lead to greater and more interesting experiences. From a Christian perspective, the dead one may be communing with God for all eternity; liberated and free from our imperfect world.

Death happens. Deal with it.

With the ever-increasing number of these death-related threads, I'm beginning to think you have a very intense fear of death which you have not quite satisfied in your psyche as yet. If you were not concerned with death, you would not be posting these. Fear of death is probably the central fear in many, many people's lives. It often grips me as well.

 

[gennaoanothen]

Assuming that God is all-powerful, I can't quite understand why he would allow this to happen to people he loves.

didn't dodge your question, within that book you will get your answers. If you want answers.
The ministry of healing; or ... - Adoniram Judson Gordon - Google Books

Jesus healed everyone that came to Him, and He did the will of His Father.
see my avatar

 

[drich0150]

A classic dodge of the question.

How so? Because I pointed out that your perspective on life is one you do not share with God? So by contradicting your understanding of the meaning of life you had to try and trivialize my representation of suffering in order to preserve your own?? It doesn't sound like you are ready to indeed question everything. As I have pointed out many times to you, your questions need to begin with your own understandings and perceptions. You are not the standard of knowledge you believe yourself to be.

 

[bling]

Why does God allow cancer to mutate in the first place in somebody innocent?

To somebody who smokes a pack a day, I can see the justice in getting lung cancer.

What I can't grasp is somebody healthy and completely innocent having their cells randomly attack themselves into a stage of lethal cancer (prostate, breast, etc.). Cancer is genetic as well as environmental, meaning people thousands of years ago could have died of cancer and just had no idea what it was that killed them. So I would reject the argument that it's a result of our influence on the environment.

Assuming that God is all-powerful, I can't quite understand why he would allow this to happen to people he loves.

Some innocent people get to go home quicker than others.

Old age is “genetic” and can kill us.

Cells mutate for the same reason all cells continue to change in all our bodies until we die some faster than others and some will not die as a result of their changing cells but for other reasons?

The completely innocent will die and get to go home of something if the Lord does not come.

If we live long enough we all experience tragedies (Opportunities to do good), but our time is very short here on earth. Having cancer may not be the opportunity we were looking for, but good can come from it.