A Parable about Age

[Nostromo]

What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet...

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

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So, you are a YEC? Cool.

 

[Tiberius]

Not responsive. Note context!

Huh? What are you talking about?

One would have to understand the principles of prayer before attempting to study it. Your study does not observe those. Any poorly designed study gives contaminated results!

One can study the effects of something without understanding the processes by which that thing works. For example, a person can study the effects of radiation without understanding what causes radiation.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

So, you are a YEC? Cool.

Funny how AV argues semantics more than the actual discussion points at hand.

 

[Split Rock]

Simple -- Adam would be YEC Adam; then you guys would be moaning that the earth has to be YEC as well, and there goes the neighborhood.

I'm not sure why it bothers you guys that I agree with you about the age of the earth, but I assume it's because you guys want me to be as different from your philosophy as night is from day -- so different, in fact, that the physical age of the earth cannot fit into a Biblical paradigm; thus we would have to totally reject the Bible (viz., Genesis 1) in favor of mother nature.

In any event, it's your problem -- not mine.

In short, I think it bugs you guys that I agree that the earth is 4.57 billion years old.

Other than the simple fact it is a falsified paradigm, we have no problem with it at all.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, you are a YEC? Cool.

I wasn't aware YECs believe the earth is 4.57 billion years old.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

I wasn't aware YECs believe the earth is 4.57 billion years old.

You don't either. You just think it looks 4.57 billion years old.

 

[AV1611VET]

You don't either. You just think it looks 4.57 billion years old.

What does 4.57 billion years look like, as opposed to 5 billion?

Don't you think it's coincidental that I happen to 'think it looks like' it is the same age as you Internet scientists do?

Or am I an Internet scientist as well?

 

[Tiberius]

It's not what it looks like, but what it is.

An object that is a day old but appears to be a year old isn't a year old. it is a day old.

Your embedded age idea is ridiculous, even if only for the fact that there is nothing that embedded age cannot accomplish that can also be accomplished by God actually creating the world four billion years ago.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not what it looks like, but what it is.

I agree.

We're not just talking the earth looking like it is 4.57 billion years old -- it is 4.57 billion years old.

An object that is a day old but appears to be a year old isn't a year old. it is a day old.

But an object that is a year old, but created 1 second ago, is a year old.

Your embedded age idea is ridiculous, even if only for the fact that there is nothing that embedded age cannot accomplish that can also be accomplished by God actually creating the world four billion years ago.

Embedded Age does not 'accomplish' anything -- it is simply a state of existence, having maturity without a history.

 

[Freodin]

In short, I think it bugs you guys that I agree that the earth is 4.57 billion years old.

What "bugs" us is your abuse of the english language.

 

[AV1611VET]

What "bugs" us is your abuse of the english language.

Fine, I'll say it in yours then: Die Erde ist 4,570,000,000 Jahre alt, hat aber nur in Existenz für 6000 gewesen.

 

[VirOptimus]

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But an object that is a year old, but created 1 second ago, is a year old.

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No, that is not correct and its also impossible even if we would entertain the notion that god exists and is omnipotent.

 

[razeontherock]

Why not just speak clearly, raze? You mean to say that God didn't answer the prayers BECAUSE he knew the power of prayer was being tested? Is that it?

Actually I never said anything to that effect, but "thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" certainly comes into play here, now that you mention it. If you look at what I snipped of the quote when I responded to what you're asking about here, you'll see exactly what I was saying.

 

[razeontherock]

If age was not "embeded", why would it not function right? Lets say, for example, that God created a mature Adam from dirt and didn't embed any age into him. What would be the result and why?

Unpossible.

 

[quatona]

But an object that is a year old, but created 1 second ago, is a year old.

I don´t know what "1 year old" could possibly mean, other than "has existed for 1 year".

 

[razeontherock]

Huh? What are you talking about?

Ok, so you are unable to follow context. That explains your next statement:

One can study the effects of something without understanding the processes by which that thing works. For example, a person can study the effects of radiation without understanding what causes radiation.

And this has nothing to do with attempting to study prayer, but of course you don't realize that because you ignore context. So now we know! Anything else you'd like to reveal while you're at it?

 

[Nostromo]

I wasn't aware YECs believe the earth is 4.57 billion years old.

YECs believe the Earth was created somewhere in the region of 6000-10000 years ago.

 

[Freodin]

Fine, I'll say it in yours then: Die Erde ist 4,570,000,000 Jahre alt, hat aber nur in Existenz für 6000 gewesen.

Fine, I'll correct my post: what bugs us is your abuse of language.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Don't you think it's coincidental that I happen to 'think it looks like' it is the same age as you Internet scientists do?

You take whatever age scientists have legitimately assigned to something and say "that's the age that God embedded in it". Is it possible that the creation event was yesterday, and everything up until then was embedded?

Embedded age explains nothing, cannot be verified, and is thus useless. Why is it so hard for you believe that maybe God actually let the universe play out those 13.7 billion years leading up to existence of man? Or does that hurt your ego too much?