A Parable about Age

[AV1611VET]

Let's say an account exists that has 1 dollar deposited into it once a year.

Bank records show two things:

1. The account shows a balance of $4,570,000,000.00.
2. The account was opened 6000 years ago.

Evolutionists say #1 is correct and #2 must be in error.

YECs say #1 must be in error and #2 is correct.

Embedded Agers say both are correct, because the account must have been opened with an initial deposit of 4.57 billion dollars (-6000).

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Did you really need to start another thread about this?

 

[Nostromo]

Isn't this the parable of the Billy Goats Gruff?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Embedded Agers say both are correct, because the account must have been opened with an initial deposit of 4.57 billion dollars (-6000).

How would you go about showing that the account was opened 6000 years ago?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[AV1611VET]

How would you go about showing that the account was opened 6000 years ago?

I wouldn't ... I would have to go by faith in the bank's records.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I wouldn't ... I would have to go by faith in the bank's records.

Okay, the moments of time in the universe don't have timestamps logged in a file somewhere. So what we have is evidence that the account is very, very old -- much older than 6000 years.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[AV1611VET]

Okay, the moments of time in the universe don't have timestamps logged in a file somewhere. So what we have is evidence that the account is very, very old -- much older than 6000 years.

I take it you agree with my OP?

 

[Eudaimonist]

I take it you agree with my OP?

There is nothing to agree or disagree with. You've simply supposed a scenario, and then presented a number of different views that one could take regarding that scenario.

If agreement means agreeing that the scenario has anything to do with the age of the universe, then I think the analogy is poor. There is nothing convincingly analogous to "bank records". No, the Bible doesn't count. We'd need some kind of physical evidence of the age of the universe in brane-space, or something like that.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[British Bulldog]

I wouldn't ... I would have to go by faith in the bank's records.

So presumably the bank's records would show where someone had been doing some creative accounting, and the police would have a few questions for him, and he'd end up in prison.

I'm sure you can work out the moral of this parable yourself.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is nothing to agree or disagree with.

So there's no parabolic difference between evolution, embedded age and yec?

 

[AV1611VET]

So presumably the bank's records would show where someone had been doing some creative accounting...

Not with the Embedded Age scenario -- both are correct.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

I find it odd that you're using "evidence" that the Bank opened the account 6,000 years ago -- as in, the Bank records -- in your scenario, because there is no evidence for the claim that it is an analogy for (that the universe is <10,000 years old). You have subconsciously fallen into a trap where your own scenario requires evidence to be believable. In reality, the evidence (the "Bank records") shows that the universe is 4.57 billion years old.

The scenario should go like this:

Bank records show two things:

1. The account shows a balance of $4,570,000,000.00.
2. The account was opened 4,570,000,000 years ago.

However,

1. Someone believes the account was opened 6,000 years ago.

Hmmmm, seems like the scenario unfolds differently now...

 

[AV1611VET]

You're simply Arab phoning my OP -- but I'll play along here:

The scenario should go like this:

Bank records show two things:

1. The account shows a balance of $4,570,000,000.00.
2. The account was opened 4,570,000,000 years ago.

Then my OP should be amended to:

Evolutionists say both are correct.

YECs say both are wrong.

Embedded Agers say #1 is correct and #2 is wrong.

This, of course, renders my OP useless, as there's not enough information in your Arabed version.

YECs, for example, say both are wrong -- but it doesn't say what is right.

My OP supplies all the information needed to make my point.

 

[Eudaimonist]

So there's no parabolic difference between evolution, embedded age and yec?

Since there are no "bank records", your analogy is hopelessly flawed.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[AV1611VET]

Since there are no "bank records", your analogy is hopelessly flawed.

It's just a parable to delineate the differences between what evolutionists say, yecs say, and embedded agers say --

As long as you see clear boundaries, I'd say my OP has done its job.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, though.

 

[selfinflikted]

AV, what do you suppose would be the purpose in creating a universe that, by all evidence, seems to be much, MUCH older than it actually is?

 

[Freodin]

Let's say an account exists that has 1 dollar deposited into it once a year.

Bank records show two things:

1. The account shows a balance of $4,570,000,000.00.
2. The account was opened 6000 years ago.

Evolutionists say #1 is correct and #2 must be in error.

YECs say #1 must be in error and #2 is correct.

Embedded Agers say both are correct, because the account must have been opened with an initial deposit of 4.57 billion dollars (-6000).

Err, no. The Omphalosians say that both are correct (or is it the Last Thursdayists?) The embedded ager says nothing about the balance... he has not idea what the relationship between the balance and the age of the account is. He just parrots "science".

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, what do you suppose would be the purpose in creating a universe that, by all evidence, seems to be much, MUCH older than it actually is?

The only reason I can come up with is the Anthropic principle; but Adam Clarke sheds some light on your question as well, in his commentary on Genesis 2:5.

It appears that God created every thing, not only perfect as it respects its nature, but also in a state of maturity, so that every vegetable production appeared at once in full growth; and this was necessary that man, when he came into being, might find every thing ready for his use.

 

[Jazer]

creative accounting

Even England has people richer than that. Here in American that would be Chump Change for Obama to spend. Although some people call it our retirement fund.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Let's say an account exists that has 1 dollar deposited into it once a year.

Bank records show two things:

1. The account shows a balance of $4,570,000,000.00.
2. The account was opened 6000 years ago.

Evolutionists say #1 is correct and #2 must be in error.

YECs say #1 must be in error and #2 is correct.

Embedded Agers say both are correct, because the account must have been opened with an initial deposit of 4.57 billion dollars (-6000).

You've already convinced yourself of this. Why do you feel the need to try to convince everyone else? Does your ego need so much stroking?