Global warming, Freemasons + UN = AntiChrist plot?

[eclipsenow]

Hi all,
ever hear this one? It almost sounds like a joke. You know, "An Irishman, and Australian, and an American walk into a pub."

Well, apparently global warming science is all rubbish. It's the anti-Christ conspiracy, you see. Oh, and it's all run by freemasons who have infiltrated the Australian government and the IMF and the UN as well.
Post 15 here.
In Defence of Science | Mission thinking | Sydneyanglicans.net

It's all an anti-Christ plot!

But there I was thinking it was science and we should just do the right thing by our grandchildren and stop burning all that coal, oil, and gas. After all, they'll need the coal to flush through iron ore to make steel!

So, I'm just wondering, is there a set of movies selling this theory? Where does it come from?

 

[Dark_Lite]

Apparently you've never been in this forum before.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

Hi all,
ever hear this one? It almost sounds like a joke. You know, "An Irishman, and Australian, and an American walk into a pub."

Well, apparently global warming science is all rubbish. It's the anti-Christ conspiracy, you see. Oh, and it's all run by freemasons who have infiltrated the Australian government and the IMF and the UN as well.
Post 15 here.
In Defence of Science | Mission thinking | Sydneyanglicans.net

It's all an anti-Christ plot!

But there I was thinking it was science and we should just do the right thing by our grandchildren and stop burning all that coal, oil, and gas. After all, they'll need the coal to flush through iron ore to make steel!

So, I'm just wondering, is there a set of movies selling this theory? Where does it come from?

The paranoid imaginations of human beings who gain a strange sense of comfort by imagining conspiracies at every twist and turn throughout the world and in history. The benefit, psychologically, of having figured the conspiracy out is that it gives a sense of having more control in the face of all these things. It's scary to have to admit that most things in the world aren't really all that connected or related, that sometimes bad things just happen and there is no big secret behind any of it.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[eclipsenow]

The paranoid imaginations of human beings who gain a strange sense of comfort by imagining conspiracies at every twist and turn throughout the world and in history. The benefit, psychologically, of having figured the conspiracy out is that it gives a sense of having more control in the face of all these things. It's scary to have to admit that most things in the world aren't really all that connected or related, that sometimes bad things just happen and there is no big secret behind any of it.

-CryptoLutheran

I agree!

One of my friends is Dr Greg Clarke who featured with another friend Dr John Dickson (both Sydney Anglicans). They discussed the fascination with trying to interpret Revelation as a future timetable. Sadly Compass — the ABC's religion show — removed what they do believe, which is that the Lord will return and surprise everyone when he does. Compass almost seemed to want to remove any reference of that actually happening. But as Sydney Anglicans they are both Amil, and see Revelation as another gospel presentation, but specifically targeting first century Christians being persecuted.

Anyway, as you said, we do take comfort in 'knowing' the future — even if it's all bad. As the (non-Christian?) psychologist on this Compass episode said:

THE PSYCHOLOGIST
Susan Tanner
Clinical Psychologist
Now many things are not predictable. The world is a very uncertain place. People change their jobs, organisations fold, collapse, you know, There is no guarantee in anything any more…Global threats like war, climate change certainly create anxiety too because the future is no longer guaranteed…
.…that sort of unpredictability and uncertainty creates a lot of anxiety, and anxiety is often a precursor to depression.

Unresolved anxiety sets people up for depression, because you can then feel despondent that well there actually isn’t anything I can do. Because climate change is out of my hands, terrorism is out of my hands…
So that can lead to what’s called catastrophic thinking, that imagining the worst scenario of what might happen and then believing that that’s what will happen.

Narrator
Surprisingly, being certain about the end can actually bring relief to those suffering anxiety…

Susan Tanner
Apocalyptic thinking can be very useful to people who need to feel a sense of control, and that they therefore feel calm because they know what’s going to happen. Living with uncertainty, living with a question mark is the hardest thing to do for all human beings. We like to know what’s going to happen. That’s why we visit clairvoyants and you know we have our tarots read and all sorts of things….

Compass — Apocalypse Now

 

[gracechick]

I suppose we will see or be watching from Heaven with the Lord.

 

[ephesians4:2]

The green movement and global warming is a form of idolatry and false religion paying homage to "mother earth."

Anyone who denies the truth can by all means but I imagine most will begin eating their own words by the end of the year or so when the holy land is divided and the batle of armageddon begins. Atleast if they have enough humility to realize certain things those "crazy conspiracy" theorists said were true.

If you believe in God and his word (the Bible) then you must believe prophecy and what it foretells in future times. By these prophecies we can acknowledge the times and prepare for our Lord's return. Those who refuse to believe prophecy, such as Revelation, I would argue dont know God's plan. But this is all my opinion which is not always right and by all means many have told me is totally wrong. Most thought the prophets were crazy but we know where that got the Israelites in ancient times now dont we.

How can any true Christian pick through what they want to believe and not believe in the Bible? As God says do not add or subtract from his word. That included choosing what to believe and what ignore from scripture.

But then again men will deny the times, the truth and refuse to repent and be saved all throughout the tribulation period. I just hope certain Christians on this forum wake up and stop denying the times and use their God given gift of faith to help the lost souls get saved and prepare.

In regards to your post eclipsenow:
Psychology is a field of opinion not fact. Men cannot truly know the spirit, soul, mind and motives of another man; especially when they think they can find it in the brain.

1 Corith. 2:11 "For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him?

These things they try and examine are spiritual matter not physical. As Jesus said "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

 

[eclipsenow]

The green movement and global warming is a form of idolatry and false religion paying homage to "mother earth."

Anyone who denies the truth can by all means but I imagine most will begin eating their own words by the end of the year or so when the holy land is divided and the batle of armageddon begins. Atleast if they have enough humility to realize certain things those "crazy conspiracy" theorists said were true.

Cool — so I've only got to wait til the end of the year? Excellent! (I'm the impatient sort). So you'll retract all this rubbish and become an Amillennial when Armageddon doesn't happen by 31 December 2011? Can you please define Armageddon now so there's no backing out? It's not going to be a so called "heavenly" Armageddon ? Please don't use the same escape clause the Jehovah's Witnesses used when the Lord didn't return with a few of their prophecies. Let's define what you think is going to happen now.

If you believe in God and his word (the Bible) then you must believe prophecy and what it foretells in future times.

I do, it's just that I don't believe Revelation is prophetic. I believe it's the gospel restated to suffering first century Jews. The only future bit is where it says the Lord will return in judgement. Otherwise, it's what you get in the rest of the New Testament, only written in big picture language. How on EARTH was Revelation meant to comfort suffering first century Christians by God saying "You think you've got it bad, wait till I show you what happens 2000 years later?" No! That is not what Revelation is all about.

By these prophecies we can acknowledge the times and prepare for our Lord's return.

Rubbish — the Lord himself warned us that he would return like a thief in the night.

Those who refuse to believe prophecy, such as Revelation, I would argue dont know God's plan.

God's plan is to bring all creation under the Lord Jesus Christ and save his people through Jesus death and resurrection. How's that for you?

But this is all my opinion which is not always right and by all means many have told me is totally wrong.

Yup!

How can any true Christian pick through what they want to believe and not believe in the Bible? As God says do not add or subtract from his word. That included choosing what to believe and what ignore from scripture.

The Psalms said the Trees of the Hills will clap their hands, but I've never seen any trees with hands. Revelation itself says Jesus was a lamb with 7 horns and 7 eyes. Do you believe that is a real, literal description of what Jesus looks like right now? It's about interpreting Revelation with the correct literary framework and context. It is NOT a future timetable. In the first verse John says these things will be happening soon, IE: in his generation. Otherwise, what good has the book been for 2000 years? The only bit we are waiting on is the Lord's return. But we still suffer like the early Christians, we still get sick, we still live in a world with natural disasters and tyrants and chaos. The message still applies to us even though it was written to first century suffering Christians, just as 1 Peter applies to us even though it was written to the first century as well.

But then again men will deny the times, the truth and refuse to repent and be saved all throughout the tribulation period.

Now now, please don't imply I'm not saved just because I disagree with whacky eschatology.

I just hope certain Christians on this forum wake up and stop denying the times and use their God given gift of faith to help the lost souls get saved and prepare.

Well, isn't that our job always? We don't have to behave like the JW's and whip up an eschatological frenzy just to get some people saved. We are called to honour God with our testimony in any age, whether 2000 years ago or 50,000 years from now.

Basically I don't see a SINGLE THING that has to happen between now and judgement day, the return of the Lord. And while we wait, we should also use the earth's resources carefully. Global warming is a real, scientifically proven fact. Not only that, but we need to save the coal for future generations to make steel. We use 500 million tons a year just flushing it through iron-ore to make steel. As in an ingredient! So — in a world without coal — how will our grandchildren make steel? 500 million tons a year = half the Amazon forest each year! We are NOT going to grow trees fast enough to make the steel we need.

But maybe the Lord will return in 5 seconds. Or 50,000 years. The reality is we really don't know.

 

[ephesians4:2]

Cool — so I've only got to wait til the end of the year? Excellent! (I'm the impatient sort). So you'll retract all this rubbish and become an Amillennial when Armageddon doesn't happen by 31 December 2011? Can you please define Armageddon now so there's no backing out? It's not going to be a so called "heavenly" Armageddon ? Please don't use the same escape clause the Jehovah's Witnesses used when the Lord didn't return with a few of their prophecies. Let's define what you think is going to happen now.

Armageddon is the final war/battle on earth during the end times. Its WWIII if you wanna call it that. The forces of Jesus and Satan will battle in the heavens and on earth as described in Rev. 12 when Satan will be cast down in physical form.

I should have been a little more clear Ill give you that, by know means is it all gonna end by the end of 2011 but I know the world as we know it will be well on its way if not witnessing the beginniin of this battle by then. The division of the holy land and the formation of Palestine in culmination with all the other regional wars in the middle east will spark this.

I see it as a long battle taking years but in God's eyes a very short time. But its all my opinion I never said I wasnt always right. Im not perfect after all.

The leaves of a tree do clap their leaves, when the wind blows through them. You know what that verse meant. What I meant my literal interpretation is miraculuous signs and the deeds and testimonies of the patriarchs and prophets being true. Many Christians regard them as ancient superstition or mythical exageratted tales.

As far as your other comments its your opinion vs. mine and no ones gonna win. We are both men, we're both right and wrong in certain points and we could debate till the end literally comes. I personally am not gonna waste my breathe anymore today. Thanks for the conversation though, sharing ideas never hurt anyone till it gets heated.

 

[eclipsenow]

Armageddon is the final war/battle on earth during the end times. Its WWIII if you wanna call it that. The forces of Jesus and Satan will battle in the heavens and on earth as described in Rev. 12 when Satan will be cast down in physical form.

I should have been a little more clear Ill give you that, by know means is it all gonna end by the end of 2011 but I know the world as we know it will be well on its way if not witnessing the beginniin of this battle by then. The division of the holy land and the formation of Palestine in culmination with all the other regional wars in the middle east will spark this.

OK, so we're looking for the 'division of the Holy Land'. Not sure what that means. Isn't it already divided, with Israel V Palestinians? Or does Palestinian Statehood qualify as some new division? I still don't know what you mean.

How would we know if Satan was cast down to earth in physical form?

The leaves of a tree do clap their leaves, when the wind blows through them. You know what that verse meant. What I meant my literal interpretation is miraculuous signs and the deeds and testimonies of the patriarchs and prophets being true. Many Christians regard them as ancient superstition or mythical exageratted tales.

I'm still confused. As I said, Revelation itself says Jesus was a lamb with 7 horns and 7 eyes. Do you believe that is a real, literal description of what Jesus looks like right now, or is it metaphor, picture language, using the overt symbolism of Jewish number symbolism and other symbols? It's not 'myth' — I never said that. Revelation is communicating real truths, just as Jesus did when he told parables. But the parables don't have to be literally true to be understood as truth. Does that make sense?

 

[Gnarwhal]

I'm glad your back around these parts, eclipse!

I definitely have witnessed some sort of trend with adherents to futurist eschatology, I have a couple family members, some of there friends, and some acquaintances from church whom all subscribe to futurism. It's interesting how it more or less seems to draw a specific type of person.

 

[eclipsenow]

Hi iMaverick,
I might not be here for long — got a particularly gnarly mid-life career change happening. Sort of starting all over again, as I don't want to work in the area I'm trained in. (Youth Work — sadly working night shifts and weekends and Christmas day with grumpy teenagers that have had a rough start to life is just not compatible with my own family life and children's needs).

But yeah, the more time goes by and the more I read, the more convinced I am that Revelation is the gospel writ large in the best Stephen Spielberg special effects they had at the time, apocalyptic symbolism.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Hi iMaverick,
I might not be here for long — got a particularly gnarly mid-life career change happening. Sort of starting all over again, as I don't want to work in the area I'm trained in. (Youth Work — sadly working night shifts and weekends and Christmas day with grumpy teenagers that have had a rough start to life is just not compatible with my own family life and children's needs).

I know how that goes, I hope the transition is a smooth one.

But yeah, the more time goes by and the more I read, the more convinced I am that Revelation is the gospel writ large in the best Stephen Spielberg special effects they had at the time, apocalyptic symbolism.

That's a cool way of putting it.

 

[eclipsenow]

BTW — I have some futurist bits. As my signature shows, I'm a little bit concerned that we are sleepwalking into the end of the oil age. But that's not from any biblical theology. That's because I've read enough credible reports indicating resource trouble ahead, and the experts I read can count the oil that's left, subtract the oil that's been used, and estimate how long we have to go.

I'm just worried that when certain types of science Denying Christians finally feel the pinch of peak oil, they'll sense some sort of Arab conspiracy or something and arrange for the TEA party to invade the Middle East... again.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

The green movement and global warming is a form of idolatry and false religion paying homage to "mother earth."

No, the "green movement" is about being environmentally responsible and global warming is a scientifically accurate description of what's going on by an excessive output of greenhouse gases amplified by a global civilization that relies almost completely on fossil fuels.

It has nothing to do with pagan/neo-pagan notions or personifying the planet as a "mother" or worshiping it or nature.

In fact, if one wants to take Christianity seriously, then one must take Christian theology seriously: Christian theology does not ignore the importance of creation but addresses the importance of creation, summarized as follows:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and proclaimed it all "exceedingly good", and called mankind to take care of creation.

Creation, in the Fall, has become subject to sin and death and currently groans.

Christ, being God and man, has united Himself to the created and sanctified it again; the restoration of all creation begins first in Christ, and then in we ourselves in our salvation and ultimately in the resurrection when even our mortal bodies will be redeemed and restored and finally when God renews all things: a new heavens and a new earth.

This planet matters to God, God cares about our world, God created this world and called it good. Proper orthodox theology means having concern and care for this world and not abusing God's good creation. It means recognizing that creation is sacred because it is God's handiwork and God's ultimate purposes and plan for all creation is to restore, renew and redeem it which He has done, is doing and will do in and through Jesus Christ our Lord.

To deny the importance of this world of matter and its God-proclaimed goodness is Gnosticism.

-CryptoLutheran

Anyone who denies the truth can by all means but I imagine most will begin eating their own words by the end of the year or so when the holy land is divided and the batle of armageddon begins. Atleast if they have enough humility to realize certain things those "crazy conspiracy" theorists said were true.

If you believe in God and his word (the Bible) then you must believe prophecy and what it foretells in future times. By these prophecies we can acknowledge the times and prepare for our Lord's return. Those who refuse to believe prophecy, such as Revelation, I would argue dont know God's plan. But this is all my opinion which is not always right and by all means many have told me is totally wrong. Most thought the prophets were crazy but we know where that got the Israelites in ancient times now dont we.

How can any true Christian pick through what they want to believe and not believe in the Bible? As God says do not add or subtract from his word. That included choosing what to believe and what ignore from scripture.

But then again men will deny the times, the truth and refuse to repent and be saved all throughout the tribulation period. I just hope certain Christians on this forum wake up and stop denying the times and use their God given gift of faith to help the lost souls get saved and prepare.

In regards to your post eclipsenow:
Psychology is a field of opinion not fact. Men cannot truly know the spirit, soul, mind and motives of another man; especially when they think they can find it in the brain.

1 Corith. 2:11 "For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him?

These things they try and examine are spiritual matter not physical. As Jesus said "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."