if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[LinuxUser]

what is the OH brother about? are you in disagreement that media influences the public? what else in my statement could you possibly be saying OH brother about?

That your so superstitious that it's not funny

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

what is the OH brother about? are you in disagreement that media influences the public? what else in my statement could you possibly be saying OH brother about?

It's just an affectionate term used by Catholics to say they love you

 

[God's Word]

Obviously you didn't read my post. Harry Potter's world is an alternate reality where magic and Christianity coexist, and the wizards are Christian. You can read quotes from the Bible on the tombs and see good triumph over evil. Magic is a tool not a religion, a mistake you are making clear through this thread.

Obviously, I did read your post. "Harry's world", as you call it, is NOT an alternate reality in that, IN REALITY, it's drawing young, impressionable minds into the occult. I've already provided documentation of the same. On top of this, in an interview with Rowling that I also provided a link to, she admits that about 1/3 of the magic in the books is from what she calls "folklore" or what actual magicians from the past have practiced. Again, there's no such thing as a "Christian wizard". If Rowlings' books have convinced you of such, then you ought to spend less time reading them and more time reading the Bible where wizardry is condemned at every mention of it. "Magic is a tool"? Yeah, tell that to Pharaoh's magicians who withstood Moses, Elymas the sorcerer who withstood Paul, Simon the sorcerer, etc., etc., etc.

Answer me this. How do you feel about the Chronicles of Narnia? I mean, How do you really feel about them? Your answer will decide whether or not your future posts are worth reading and responding to.

I've never read them and I have no plans to, either. And? I do read the Bible all of the time, though. In the volume of the book, it is written of Him (Jesus Christ). Also, nobody's forcing you to either read my posts or respond to them. You're certainly free to ignore them, if you'd like to.

P.S. Why are you folks so into what you call an "alternate reality"? What's wrong with reality itself?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I've never read them and I have no plans to, either. And? I do read the Bible all of the time, though. In the volume of the book, it is written of Him (Jesus Christ). Also, nobody's forcing you to either read my posts or respond to them. You're certainly free to ignore them, if you'd like to.

P.S. Why are you folks so into what you call an "alternate reality"? What's wrong with reality itself?

You must lead a pretty boring life.
Did you come out of a monastary by any chance?
Who cannot but like the un-reality movies, such as this favorite of mine

‪The Beastmaster Trailer‬‏ - YouTube

 

[Incariol]

On top of this, in an interview with Rowling that I also provided a link to, she admits that about 1/3 of the magic in the books is from what she calls "folklore" or what actual magicians from the past have practiced.

*embarrassed pause*

Seriously? You think that actual, in-the-real-world occultists make long wands with pretend unicorn hair cores, point them and say obscure made up words expecting to produce flashy effects?

 

[A New Dawn]

Obviously, I did read your post. "Harry's world", as you call it, is NOT an alternate reality in that, IN REALITY, it's drawing young, impressionable minds into the occult. I've already provided documentation of the same. On top of this, in an interview with Rowling that I also provided a link to, she admits that about 1/3 of the magic in the books is from what she calls "folklore" or what actual magicians from the past have practiced. Again, there's no such thing as a "Christian wizard". If Rowlings' books have convinced you of such, then you ought to spend less time reading them and more time reading the Bible where wizardry is condemned at every mention of it. "Magic is a tool"? Yeah, tell that to Pharaoh's magicians who withstood Moses, Elymas the sorcerer who withstood Paul, Simon the sorcerer, etc., etc., etc.

So you still didn't read the part of my post that said that the wizardry that the magicians practiced in Harry Potter was not a religion. Contrast that with the sorcerers you mentioned here. It is clear throughout the story that Christianity is the religion the wizards professed. Magic was the tool that they used to defeat the bad guys.

I've never read them and I have no plans to, either. And? I do read the Bible all of the time, though. In the volume of the book, it is written of Him (Jesus Christ). Also, nobody's forcing you to either read my posts or respond to them. You're certainly free to ignore them, if you'd like to.

P.S. Why are you folks so into what you call an "alternate reality"? What's wrong with reality itself?

So I'm guessing that you never read Harry Potter either. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously if you haven't even read the work you are condemning. Most serious scholars read and study what they disavow. You can't even present a respectable argument, basing your views on the use of the words 'magic' and 'witch' in the story. Unfortunately for you, since you are not using the context of what you are arguing against, you are presenting a flawed argument.

 

[God's Word]

You must lead a pretty boring life.

Actually, offering my own life as a living sacrifice unto the Lord and serving Him is quite fulfilling, thanks.

Did you come out of a monastary by any chance?

No, I just came out of the world (I'm in it, but not of it), as Jesus instructed His followers to. You?

Who cannot but like the un-reality movies, such as this favorite of mine

Out of curiosity, what does "redeem the time wisely" mean to you? Also, do you think followers of Jesus ought to be sitting around watching secular movies and reading books about wizardry and magic or spending their time in service to the Lord and others? Funny thing...I've read the Bible many times and I don't recall ever reading of how Jesus wasted His time. The harvest is plenteous. The laborers few. One last thing...

This thread isn't about me, so please drop the personal comments. Thanks.

 

[God's Word]

*embarrassed pause*

Seriously? You think that actual, in-the-real-world occultists make long wands with pretend unicorn hair cores, point them and say obscure made up words expecting to produce flashy effects?

What is it about "1/3" that you don't understand?

 

[heymikey80]

I've never read either Tolkien or Lewis. I have read the Bible, though...many, many times.

Whew.

Hence, I have a question.

Don't your kids interpret this highly developed technological world we live in, pretty-much as magic? I've always considered it a reasonable match-up to put technology side-by-side with the magic of Harry Potter.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

A great deal of the attributes we look at as scientific or even more directly as technological, someone in the past would attribute to a Principality or Power.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This thread isn't about me, so please drop the personal comments. Thanks.

You made it personal when you referred to me and others as "you folks".

Originally Posted by God's Word P.S. Why are you folks so into what you call an "alternate reality"? What's wrong with reality itself?

But ya know what, there are others here that are more adept to address you than my humble self.
If ya can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen

 

[A New Dawn]

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Also, do you think followers of Jesus ought to be sitting around watching secular movies and reading books about wizardry and magic or spending their time in service to the Lord and others?

I'm sorry, your question presents a false dichotomy. You make it sound like Christians can't do anything but stay home and read the Bible or be of service to others. What happened to family? What happened to encouraging kids to read and see God's word in action, even if it is in fictional stories like Star Wars and the Chronicles of Narnia and Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter? All are stories of Good overcoming Evil.

Again, I suggest you not present arguments against something you haven't spent a minute's reading of.

 

[Bubblies]

As I said before, if Harry Potter had been written in the lame languages as the Bible, he would not be a wizard. English is a silly language. The Bible languages had way more words for things. Because Harry Potter wizards are in NO WAY the same as Bible wizards, this argument is pointless. If you don't wanna read it, that's fine, but don't question someone's faith because they enjoy Harry Potter (or even fiction in general).

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

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Also, do you think followers of Jesus ought to be sitting around watching secular movies and reading books about wizardry and magic or spending their time in service to the Lord and others?
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Ok...here's one along the same lines: Do you think followers of Christ ought to be sitting around on the internet debating the legitimacy of a fictional story or spending their time serving the Lord and others?

 

[God's Word]

Originally Posted by God's Word

This thread isn't about me, so please drop the personal comments. Thanks.
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You made it personal when you referred to me and others as "you folks".

Originally Posted by God's Word P.S. Why are you folks so into what you call an "alternate reality"? What's wrong with reality itself?
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But ya know what, there are others here that are more adept to address you than my humble self.

If ya can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen

You misunderstood the intent behind my comment. Please allow me to explain...

I know how these types of threads go...

I post commentary from the author herself who states that she consistently receives letters from children who want to enroll in Hogwarts...

I post a link that shows that such things as the Harry Potter books, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Sabrina the Teenage Witch are drawing children into witchcraft or the occult...

I post a link to an interview where Rowlings admits that she has done research and that about 1/3 of the magic in her books is from actual practicing witches/magicians/etc. from the past...

I post a video that gives the names of at least two real people (there's more than two, by the way) who are mentioned in the Potter books who were involved in the occult...

I post a link to an interview where Rowlings says that the number one thing that she notices about the children who read her books is that they believe that they are REAL...

In turn, of course, nobody wants to address such facts as these, but rather, they attempt to turn it into a sort of "witch hunt" of their own by attacking the posters instead of addressing the actual contents of their posts. If this wasn't bad enough, I'm also accused of presenting "a flawed argument", even though I've presented plenty of documented facts.

Such situations, when things get "personal", usually lead to a thread either being closed or removed. THIS is why I asked you to please refrain from "personal comments". Believe me...I can not only "take the heat", but this isn't anything even remotely close to "heat". Just as an FYI.

Thanks.

 

[frankleespeaking]

Actually, offering my own life as a living sacrifice unto the Lord and serving Him is quite fulfilling, thanks.



No, I just came out of the world (I'm in it, but not of it), as Jesus instructed His followers to. You?



Out of curiosity, what does "redeem the time wisely" mean to you? Also, do you think followers of Jesus ought to be sitting around watching secular movies and reading books about wizardry and magic or spending their time in service to the Lord and others? Funny thing...I've read the Bible many times and I don't recall ever reading of how Jesus wasted His time. The harvest is plenteous. The laborers few. One last thing...

This thread isn't about me, so please drop the personal comments. Thanks.

yeah I just don't think I can picture a Righteous and Holy God sitting through an R rated movie and expect Him to laugh at what the movie portays as funny, and I'm told were supposed to be conforming to HIS IMAGE yet it appears most Christians are conforming to the worlds image

 

[Incariol]

What is it about "1/3" that you don't understand?

1 over 3 is a fraction. 33%. And?

 

[A New Dawn]

Ok...here's one along the same lines: Do you think followers of Christ ought to be sitting around on the internet debating the legitimacy of a fictional story or spending their time serving the Lord and others?

You're right. That is also a false dichotomy. It is an assumption that because we spend some time here debating that we are not also spending time serving the Lord and others. I, personally, just returned from a primitive camp in Pennsylvania where I was the cook and nurse for the camp of 8-11 year olds. IMO, that falls into both of the categories you mentioned.

 

[heymikey80]

Human beings are sinful, and don't need the Devil to make us do it.

Isaac Newton was actually involved in the occult. Maybe we oughta keep our kids out of physical sciences class. There seems to be a remarkable correlation between people who are involved in the occult and people who took physical sciences classes.

 

[God's Word]

Ok...here's one along the same lines: Do you think followers of Christ ought to be sitting around on the internet debating the legitimacy of a fictional story or spending their time serving the Lord and others?

You don't need to know this, but I run my own business which includes the running of machinery in my home. Almost 100% (it's at least in the 90's) of the time that I'm posting on this forum, I'm also working from home...as I presently am, even as I type. My work supports my wife and children, so I am serving others. On top of this, your so-called "fictional story" includes many REAL PRACTICES which are condemned in scripture, mentions REAL PEOPLE who were involved in the occult and has had a REAL IMPACT upon the lives of many, many children. Perhaps none of these things concern you, but they concern me...THEY ALSO CONCERN THE LORD, the One Whom I serve. Hopefully, this answers your questions.

Now, would you like to address Rowling's own confessions regarding the impact that her books have had upon children?

Now, would you like to address the REALITY of how such things as the Potter books/movies are drawing children into the occult?

Now, would you like to address why Rowling, a self-proclaimed Christian (not that that means much, nowadays), would go through the trouble of including not only REAL PRACTICES which are condemned in scripture in her books, but also include the name of REAL PEOPLE who were in the occult?

Now, would you like to address THE REALITY that your so-called "fiction" is causing countless numbers of children to believe that it's not only REAL, but also causing them to wish to enroll in Hogwarts themselves?

 

[A New Dawn]

You don't need to know this, but I run my own business which includes the running of machinery in my home. Almost 100% (it's at least in the 90's) of the time that I'm posting on this forum, I'm also working from home...as I presently am, even as I type. My work supports my wife and children, so I am serving others. On top of this, your so-called "fictional story" includes many REAL PRACTICES which are condemned in scripture, mentions REAL PEOPLE who were involved in the occult and has had a REAL IMPACT upon the lives of many, many children. Perhaps none of these things concern you, but they concern me...THEY ALSO CONCERN THE LORD, the One Whom I serve. Hopefully, this answers your questions.

Now, would you like to address Rowling's own confessions regarding the impact that her books have had upon children?

Now, would you like to address the REALITY of how such things as the Potter books/movies are drawing children into the occult?

Now, would you like to address why Rowling, a self-proclaimed Christian (not that that means much, nowadays), would go through the trouble of including not only REAL PRACTICES which are condemned in scripture in her books, but also include the name of REAL PEOPLE who were in the occult?

Now, would you like to address THE REALITY that your so-called "fiction" is causing countless numbers of children to believe that it's not only REAL, but also causing them to wish to enroll in Hogwarts themselves?

Or...should I just expect more dodging and evasiveness from you all?

Why don't you address the issues we have already expressed to you regarding your own posts?