if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[wannabeadesigirl]

With the final movie of the HP series I'm kind of going to miss the whole "Harry Potter is of teh debbul!!!" debates. At the same time I'm not going to miss them because they are a COMPLETE waste of time! Anyone who bothered to look up just a wikipedia article about the last book would find Christian symbolism throughout the ENTIRE thing.

Fact of the matter is this: I've been reading harry potter since I was 11. I grew up with that character, and the books defined a large portion of my childhood. Apart from a brief 6 months of dabbling in nonsensical neopagan drivel (non of which remotely echoed anything from HP) when I was 18, I have maintained my Christian beliefs and my Christian faith.

No one I know who has read Harry Potter has become a wiccan or pagan because of HP. J.K. Rowling came out and said "I'm a member of the Scottish Episcopal church, and any thinking person who knows this could be able to figure out how the rest of the series is going to end" In other words she SPECIFICALLY set in Christian symbolism...because she's a Christian.

A bunch of spotty teenagers waving sticks at each other does not a coven make. That's pretty much all that goes on in the HP series. So stop being so darned paranoid about a FICTIONAL story.

 

[God's Word]

It surprises me how superstitious some Christians are adding to the Bible so they might act pious and stay away from evil were there is none. I guess when one is allowed to put any spin on Scripture I shouldn't be surprised. People that try to put something evil in stories that are not there are much, much more damaging to Christianity than any atheist could be.

Who's "superstitious"? The Bible plainly speaks of magicians, sorcerers, wizards, etc., etc., etc. and how we're to respond to such. I don't recall reading one word about how we're supposed to defend such abominations...which is what a whole bunch of you folks are doing.

Who's "adding to the Bible"? Nobody that I've seen here. I've seen quite a few people make statements which are contrary to scripture, though. In fact, just earlier today, I addressed one such poster.

Who's "acting pious"? Does it bother you that some people still reverence God and His Word?

Who's "damaging to Christianity"? By the grace of God and the name of Jesus Christ, I've cast out demons on many different occasions. Funny thing...the people who were helped never said one word about being "damaged". In fact, Jesus' Name was glorified and they were delivered/healed from things that plagued them. Satan? Well, his kingdom took a hit or two.

 

[frankleespeaking]

With the final movie of the HP series I'm kind of going to miss the whole "Harry Potter is of teh debbul!!!" debates. At the same time I'm not going to miss them because they are a COMPLETE waste of time! Anyone who bothered to look up just a wikipedia article about the last book would find Christian symbolism throughout the ENTIRE thing.

Fact of the matter is this: I've been reading harry potter since I was 11. I grew up with that character, and the books defined a large portion of my childhood. Apart from a brief 6 months of dabbling in nonsensical neopagan drivel (non of which remotely echoed anything from HP) when I was 18, I have maintained my Christian beliefs and my Christian faith.

No one I know who has read Harry Potter has become a wiccan or pagan because of HP. J.K. Rowling came out and said "I'm a member of the Scottish Episcopal church, and any thinking person who knows this could be able to figure out how the rest of the series is going to end" In other words she SPECIFICALLY set in Christian symbolism...because she's a Christian.

A bunch of spotty teenagers waving sticks at each other does not a coven make. That's pretty much all that goes on in the HP series. So stop being so darned paranoid about a FICTIONAL story.

Oh! she's a Christian now!.....that changes everything, she put Christian symbols in....wow thats great! what a great work she has done for all the Christian world, I'm sure the Lord Jesus has a special reward for her, when she stands before Him, for some reason a millstone comes to mind

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

Who's "superstitious"? The Bible plainly speaks of magicians, sorcerers, wizards, etc., etc., etc. and how we're to respond to such. I don't recall reading one word about how we're supposed to defend such abominations...which is what a whole bunch of you folks are doing.

Who's "adding to the Bible"? Nobody that I've seen here. I've seen quite a few people make statements which are contrary to scripture, though. In fact, just earlier today, I addressed one such poster.

Who's "acting pious"? Does it bother you that some people still reverence God and His Word?

Who's "damaging to Christianity"? By the grace of God and the name of Jesus Christ, I've cast out demons on many different occasions. Funny thing...the people who were helped never said one word about being "damaged". In fact, Jesus' Name was glorified and they were delivered/healed from things that plagued them. Satan? Well, his kingdom took a hit or two.

Harry Potter isn't a sorceror. The magic performed in the real world involves invocation of a male god and a female goddess. It requires the drawing of a circle wherein the spirits of the north, south, east and west are invoked. Sometimes the use of a cauldron, a wand and a knife are used. Threads are sometimes used to create spells (tie a knot into a thread and the spell is supposed to stay put). It requires emptying your mind and invisioning positive things for yourself.


Harry Potter contains NONE of that. It's "magic" involves waving sticks around and saying something latin.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh! she's a Christian now!.....that changes everything, she put Christian symbols in....wow thats great! what a great work she has done for all the Christian world, I'm sure the Lord Jesus has a special reward for her, when she stands before Him, for some reason a millstone comes to mind

I feel like one is weighing on me with Obama being in office ehehe

Young) Matthew 18:6 and whoever may cause to stumble one of those little ones who are believing in Me, it is better for him that a weighty millstone may be hanged upon his neck, and he may be sunk in the depth of the sea.
[Mark 9:42/Luke 17:2/Revelation 18:21]

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying,
Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

 

[LinuxUser]

Who's "superstitious"? The Bible plainly speaks of magicians, sorcerers, wizards, etc., etc., etc. and how we're to respond to such. I don't recall reading one word about how we're supposed to defend such abominations...which is what a whole bunch of you folks are doing.

Who's "adding to the Bible"? Nobody that I've seen here. I've seen quite a few people make statements which are contrary to scripture, though. In fact, just earlier today, I addressed one such poster.

Who's "acting pious"? Does it bother you that some people still reverence God and His Word?

Who's "damaging to Christianity"? By the grace of God and the name of Jesus Christ, I've cast out demons on many different occasions. Funny thing...the people who were helped never said one word about being "damaged". In fact, Jesus' Name was glorified and they were delivered/healed from things that plagued them. Satan? Well, his kingdom took a hit or two.

People like you. You assume that because something is written in English that it must be the case without even trying to really understand the passage, it was not written to modern man. Many have explained that there is no real evil in any of the books and taken time to expound on it. But it's insisted that there is.

It brothers me that some put silly interpretation on passages just to make themselves look more holy than others. If it's a sin for you fine but don't bind everyone else with silly nonsense

 

[God's Word]

BBC News | ENTERTAINMENT | Buffy draws children to witchcraft

Friday, 4 August, 2000, 04:56 GMT 05:56 UK

Buffy draws children to witchcraft

Witches' favourite: Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Popular TV programmes like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Sabrina the Teenage Witch encourage an interest in witchcraft among children, it is claimed.

The Pagan Federation, which represents druids and witches, says it has been "swamped" with calls following teenage programmes featuring good witches.

Speaking to BBC News Online the Pagan Federation's Steve Paine, the high priest of a coven, said the hit US drama Buffy and the highly successful Harry Potter books were popular amongst practising witches.

Harry Potter: Harmless fun?

"They are taken as fantasy entertainment. But they do encourage people to think about different forms of spirituality", he said.

The Pagan Federation, which deals with about 100 enquiries a month from youngsters who want to become witches, does not allow anyone under the age of 18 to become a member.

Most of the enquiries are from 14 to 18 year-olds, and are dealt with "reactively" by a specially-appointed youth officer, an Essex based schoolteacher.

The officer seeks parental consent before issuing basic information leaflets and does not proselytise, according to the Federation.

"He explains things like the principle ethic of witchcraft - that you should not cause harm to anyone - and that it's not just an easy way to get a new boyfriend", says Pagan Federation media officer Andy Norfolk.

'Dangerous dabbling'

But the trend is described as "worrying" by John Buckeridge, editor of monthly Christian magazine Youthwork.

Mr Buckeridge said: "The growing number of books and TV shows like Harry Potter and Sabrina the Teenage Witch encourage an interest in magic as harmless fun.

"However for some young people it could fuel a fascination that leads to dangerous dabbling with occult powers. So what starts out as spooks and spells can lead to psychological and spiritual damage."

But pagans say teenagers have always been fascinated with paganism and the Christian Church has failed to satisfy the demand for spirituality in young people.

In Norfolk's view paganism involves "direct communication with the divine" and is not to be confused with cults or devil worship. Arguing that their beliefs should be recognised as a religion, pagans have worked closely with organisations such as the LSE's Inform, set up to provide families with information on cults.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"Silly nonsense"? You've got a lot to learn.

BBC News | ENTERTAINMENT | Buffy draws children to witchcraft

Friday, 4 August, 2000, 04:56 GMT 05:56 UK

Buffy draws children to witchcraft

Witches' favourite: Buffy the Vampire Slayer
.

Oh come on now. It is a fad.
How long do you think they actually act out that fantasy role playing?
The big thing back when I was growing up was souped up cars, going to the drive in and listening to kewl music

‪American Graffiti Paradise Road‬‏ - YouTube

 

[LinuxUser]

BBC News | ENTERTAINMENT | Buffy draws children to witchcraft

Friday, 4 August, 2000, 04:56 GMT 05:56 UK

Buffy draws children to witchcraft

oh brother

 

[frankleespeaking]

BBC News | ENTERTAINMENT | Buffy draws children to witchcraft

Friday, 4 August, 2000, 04:56 GMT 05:56 UK

Buffy draws children to witchcraft

Witches' favourite: Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Popular TV programmes like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Sabrina the Teenage Witch encourage an interest in witchcraft among children, it is claimed.

The Pagan Federation, which represents druids and witches, says it has been "swamped" with calls following teenage programmes featuring good witches.

Speaking to BBC News Online the Pagan Federation's Steve Paine, the high priest of a coven, said the hit US drama Buffy and the highly successful Harry Potter books were popular amongst practising witches.

Harry Potter: Harmless fun?

"They are taken as fantasy entertainment. But they do encourage people to think about different forms of spirituality", he said.

The Pagan Federation, which deals with about 100 enquiries a month from youngsters who want to become witches, does not allow anyone under the age of 18 to become a member.

Most of the enquiries are from 14 to 18 year-olds, and are dealt with "reactively" by a specially-appointed youth officer, an Essex based schoolteacher.

The officer seeks parental consent before issuing basic information leaflets and does not proselytise, according to the Federation.

"He explains things like the principle ethic of witchcraft - that you should not cause harm to anyone - and that it's not just an easy way to get a new boyfriend", says Pagan Federation media officer Andy Norfolk.

'Dangerous dabbling'

But the trend is described as "worrying" by John Buckeridge, editor of monthly Christian magazine Youthwork.

Mr Buckeridge said: "The growing number of books and TV shows like Harry Potter and Sabrina the Teenage Witch encourage an interest in magic as harmless fun.

"However for some young people it could fuel a fascination that leads to dangerous dabbling with occult powers. So what starts out as spooks and spells can lead to psychological and spiritual damage."

But pagans say teenagers have always been fascinated with paganism and the Christian Church has failed to satisfy the demand for spirituality in young people.

In Norfolk's view paganism involves "direct communication with the divine" and is not to be confused with cults or devil worship. Arguing that their beliefs should be recognised as a religion, pagans have worked closely with organisations such as the LSE's Inform, set up to provide families with information on cults.

I see were banging our heads against the wall, simply because people don't think a book, or movie or TV shows has any or little to no influence on people. I think every advertising agency would laugh that concept right to the bank. and say "NOOOOooo! the media has NOOOOooo influence! over any of you wonderful sheeple....oppps I MEAN PEOPLE! yes since TV pumps out TV shows that are no way what peaks the interest of the population, its just a mere coinsidence that vampires, and werewolves, sorcerers and witches, warlocks and wizards and anything to do with the occult seems to top the charts, YET NONE OF THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS, ITS BY PURE GUESS WORK THAT THESE SHOWS ARE CREATED AND SHOWN.? In the short history of TV we can clearly see TV shows coinside with what is popular at that time in history....this is just a simple fact of life, who could be so dull not to see this simple truth

 

[LinuxUser]

I see were banging our heads against the wall, simply because people don't think a book, or movie or TV shows has any or little to no influence on people. I think every advertising agency would laugh that concept right to the bank. and say "NOOOOooo! the media has NOOOOooo influence! over any of you wonderful sheeple....oppps I MEAN PEOPLE! yes since TV pumps out TV shows that are no way what peaks the interest of the population, its just a mere coinsidence that vampires, and werewolves, sorcerers and witches, warlocks and wizards and anything to do with the occult seems to top the charts, YET NONE OF THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS, ITS BY PURE GUESS WORK THAT THESE SHOWS ARE CREATED AND SHOWN.? In the short history of TV we can clearly see TV shows coinside with what is popular at that time in history....this is just a simple fact of life, who could be so dull not to see this simple truth

oh brother

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I see were banging our heads against the wall, simply because people don't think a book, or movie or TV shows has any or little to no influence on people.

We all just another brick in the wall

‪Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall 1980‬‏ - YouTube

 

[God's Word]

I see were banging our heads against the wall...

True, but in retrospect, I'm actually glad that you started this thread. In case you've forgotten my first post on this thread, here it is, again:

You know, when I first read your post, although I agreed with your condemnation of witchcraft/sorcery/etc., I thought that you were being a bit presumptuous by stating that professing Christians either condone or have no problem with this type of stuff.

THEN I READ THE RESPONSES...

You're spot on, my friend. Don't ever be ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ...a gospel that addresses evil and the spirits behind it head on.

Well, this thread has been an eye-opener for me, to say the least. You know what I find interesting...

I've read multiple articles/heard multiple reports which speak of an increase in witchcraft/occult inquiries in response to some of the books/movies/TV shows that we've discussed and I've heard Rowlings herself say that children write her all the time, greatly desiring to enroll in Hogwart's, only to be disappointed to learn that it doesn't exist. There's one thing that I've yet to read or hear of, though...

I've never read or heard how the Potter books, which are supposedly "Christian themed", have led to any inquiries about JESUS CHRIST. You'll know a tree by its fruit.

Well, I think that I'm done on this thread...unless somebody else posts something so outlandish that it simply needs to be addressed.

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

I've never read or heard how the Potter books, which are supposedly "Christian themed", have led to any inquiries about JESUS CHRIST. You'll know a tree by its fruit.

Well, I think that I'm done on this thread...unless somebody else posts something so outlandish that it simply needs to be addressed.

Have the CHronicles of Narnia or the Lord of the Rings done that? And yet the authors are BELOVED by the Christian community. J.R.R. Tolkien was a devout Christian as was C.S. Lewis. Both their books contain magic. Both of their books contain Christian symbols that can be used to open Christian discourse.

How is Harry Potter any different?

 

[God's Word]

I've never read either Tolkien or Lewis. I have read the Bible, though...many, many times.

 

[A New Dawn]

You never said that there was good wizardry? Well, what would you call this:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7578695-6/#post58060473



???

You didn't question New Dawn's claim that there were "good wizards" in Harry Potter, did you? No, you did not. You simply asked how New Dawn knew that the "good wizards" were Christians. There's also this:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7578695-14/#post58066880



You said that because of my past, "anything that has anything to do with wizardry is bad". Wouldn't this imply that you believe that some things about wizardry are "good"? Sure, it would. You made this more obvious when you went on to say that I was projecting my bad experiences onto something "that is not in and of itself bad". This, too, implies that you believe that there is such a thing as "good wizardry", so I'm not the least bit mistaken in what I said. Just for the record.

Now, do you have any scriptures to back up your position or not? I didn't think so.

I noticed you quoted my post (inside a quote of Zech's) but you didn't respond to it. Could you respond to it, please? Thanks.

 

[God's Word]

I noticed you quoted my post (inside a quote of Zech's) but you didn't respond to it. Could you respond to it, please? Thanks.

Sure.

Harry Potter's world is an alternate reality where magic and Christianity coexisted in harmony and that magic was a tool not a religion. In fact, the witches and wizards in HP (the good ones) were Christians.

If you've read my posts on this thread, then I have already responded...indirectly. IOW, I don't believe in "good witches" (they're all bad), "good wizards" (they're all bad) or "Christian witches and wizards" (there's no such thing).

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

I've never read either Tolkien or Lewis. I have read the Bible, though...many, many times.

That's kind of sad IMO. I can't imagine my life without any of those series. They've influenced alot of my life, and I've chosen the messages in the stories that DO agree with the Bible and my Christian faith. Despite what you may think there are alot of comparisons you can make.

 

[A New Dawn]

Sure.



If you've read my posts on this thread, then I have already responded...indirectly. IOW, I don't believe in "good witches" (they're all bad), "good wizards" (they're all bad) or "Christian witches and wizards" (there's no such thing).

Obviously you didn't read my post. Harry Potter's world is an alternate reality where magic and Christianity coexist, and the wizards are Christian. You can read quotes from the Bible on the tombs and see good triumph over evil. Magic is a tool not a religion, a mistake you are making clear through this thread.

Answer me this. How do you feel about the Chronicles of Narnia? I mean, How do you really feel about them? Your answer will decide whether or not your future posts are worth reading and responding to.

Thanks.

 

[frankleespeaking]

oh brother

what is the OH brother about? are you in disagreement that media influences the public? what else in my statement could you possibly be saying OH brother about?