if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[addo]

If Harry Potter would be real and he'd want to be a Christian, he'd have to brake his wand, abandon magic and do something else.

 

[frankleespeaking]

If Harry Potter would be real and he'd want to be a Christian, he'd have to brake his wand, abandon magic and do something else.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

MFW this thread turned to someone saying their eyes turned red and it scared a few thugs.

Really? I know demons exist and had to deal with one myself but that just seems like you made it up for the sake of an argument.

I think this thread has run outta vitriol. Pity.

 

[PaladinValer]

If Harry Potter would be real and he'd want to be a Christian, he'd have to brake his wand, abandon magic and do something else.

You didn't read any of my posts.

The "magic" in Harry Potter isn't the same as the magic condemned in Scripture.

He wouldn't have to break his wand.

 

[kiwimac]

There is no magic in HP other than mangled Latin phrases.

 

[Jipsah]

Practicing magic of any sort is prohibited. Well, there are some sins that e don't have t worry about committing. The next person to do any "magic" will make a grand total of one.

 

[Blueforest]

I remember once, there was a preacher harping about how Harry Potter involves blood sacrifices and black masses. She said that Harry Potter drives kids into the occult, black magick and into killing babies. I was like... WUT?

 

[Gnarwhal]

I was like... WUT?

 

[Incariol]

Do you think people even realize that the Narnia series also contains magic? And yet you don't hear people whining about Aslan appeasing the Deep Magic, or humans first reaching Narnia through magic, or the Pevensies reaching Narnia AGAIN through magic in The Last Battle.

Just goes to show that people have a double standard (or, more likely) they haven't actually read the Chronicles of Narnia, they just pretend to have done so because it is the Christianese thing to do.

 

[Jipsah]

Obviously you know nothing about witchcraft

Guess again. I've done interviews with "wiccans" and read their "books of shadows", I've attended their meetings (the kind where all in attendance keep their clothes on, thankee), I've argued with 'em, investigated their claims, done background work on their "deities", and in short know a whole lot more about neopaganism in general and Wiccan, Thelema, neo-Druidism, and similar semi-organized idiocies than do most of their alleged adherents. (I never messed with any Satanists because I was afraid that the urge to bust caps on some of their worthless behinds would be more than I could bear.) Magic? Yeah, right. And I'm Czar of all the Russias, too. "Magick", though, in plenty, all of which accomplishes about as much as you'd expect from the invocation of nonexistent deities. So please don't try and hand me any claptrap about occult or satanical "powers"; there ain't any.

, if nobody ever seen or got results it would of died out in a month, seeing that this practice

What "practice" are we talking about? Crud like fortune telling and necromancy? That'll go on as long as there are people who can be gulled into believing that someone else has "powers" to give them arcane information or relief from one or more of life's problems and low-life grifters who are willing to gull them.

God reconized it to be destestable practice

The real "psychic" and "magickal" dreck? Of course it's detestable! It's a lie and a deceit just like any other of Satan's artifices, and way too many people, Christians obviously not excluded, are willing to believe the lies. "Oh yeah, those people have powers, they can do stuff that we can't." Gee, thanks for carrying Old Nick's water for him and infecting more gullible people into believing his deceits. Doesn't matter if he has "powers" or not, or if he can/will grant those powers to others (nothing in Holy Scripture says that he does or can) as long as he, with your willing help, persuades folks that he does and can.

but you somehow only see it as benign make believe hocus pokus

The HP stuff is make believe hocus pocus, punto. Nobody can do the sort of stuff that HP characters can do from birth. It's fiction, just like Superman flying and Star Trek's transporter beams. It doesn't exist. Try as you will, you'll never make anything happen by pointing a stick and saying something in Latin.

my money and experience says Gods right and your wrong

God forbids the real pagan deceptions of "occult" arglebargle, not the nonexistent "magic" that exists only in fiction. You;ll search in vain for any condemnation of turning cats into teacups or fixing eyeglasses with the wave of a stick, because for good or ill neither you nor anyone else can do any such thing.

, the bible is full of examples of sorcery even the sorcerers that came against Moses dublicated 3/4s of the signs God gave Moses to show God was with Him, you may say they used slight of hand or magicians tricks

That's precisely what I say, and as the Bible says nothing at all as to how the Egyptian mages did their tricks, I'll stand with that.

course as many Christians today don't really regard the bible is true

I regard the Bible as true. It's just the blatherskite that some people feel the need to stick n amongst the actual Scripture that I regards as chaff.

and this my easily be your story.

My story is that you believe in spooks, haints, magic, and boogermen without regard to what the Bible says, and strain every nerve to find scraps of Scripture that you can "interpret" (oh where would we be without "interpretation"?) to support the superstitious stuff that you believe a priori.

 

[Incariol]

If Harry Potter would be real and he'd want to be a Christian, he'd have to brake his wand, abandon magic and do something else.

Why?

 

[Jipsah]

God says that witchcraft is bad.

So what is "witchcraft"? Pagan deception used to gain control over people, lead 'em away from God, and rook 'em out of their goods? Or nonexistent "magical powers"? I'd bet that God was talking about the one that exists and not the one that doesn't exist.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

So if we kept with Christ then that wouldn't be the magic that was condemned? Since I am staying with Him and not going to a pagan religion. I am not being condenscendiing I am genuinely curious.

 

[frankleespeaking]

Do you think people even realize that the Narnia series also contains magic? And yet you don't hear people whining about Aslan appeasing the Deep Magic, or humans first reaching Narnia through magic, or the Pevensies reaching Narnia AGAIN through magic in The Last Battle.

Just goes to show that people have a double standard (or, more likely) they haven't actually read the Chronicles of Narnia, they just pretend to have done so because it is the Christianese thing to do.

I also am against the witchcraft and spell incantations in CS Lewis's books, as I stated earlier, CS Lewis was quoted as saying "I have a lust for the occult" and this can be seen in his writing. what has light to do with darkness, but it appears CW was a fence ridder as most Christians are today, one foot in heaven and the other completey grounded in the world

 

[God's Word]

What "practice" are we talking about? Crud like fortune telling and necromancy? That'll go on as long as there are people who can be gulled into believing that someone else has "powers" to give them arcane information or relief from one or more of life's problems and low-life grifters who are willing to gull them.

Regarding fortune telling or divination, we read:

Acts 16:16-19

"And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel POSSESSED WITH A SPIRIT OF DIVINATION met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned AND SAID TO THE SPIRIT, I COMMAND THEE IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST TO COME OUT OF HER. AND HE CAME OUT THE SAME HOUR. And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers..."

Paul didn't think that fortune telling/divination was "crud". He dealt with it in its proper manner by casting the spirit of divination (literally, the spirit of Python) out of the soothsayer in Jesus Christ's name.

Regarding necromancy or conjuring up the spirits of the dead to receive information regarding the future, we read:

I Samuel 28:7-20

"Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his servants said unto him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor. And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me up, whom I shall name unto thee. And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing. Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David: Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day. Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines. Then Saul fell straightway all along the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night."

I understand that there are differences of opinions as to whether or not this was really Samuel who was "brought up" or just a familiar spirit, but, in either case, someone/something was "brought up" and he/it accurately foretold the future. IOW, necromancy, according to the Bible, is NOT "crud". Didn't Harry Potter have contact with his dead parents? Sounds just like the type of necromancy that's condemned in the Bible to me.

, the bible is full of examples of sorcery even the sorcerers that came against Moses dublicated 3/4s of the signs God gave Moses to show God was with Him, you may say they used slight of hand or magicians tricks​

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That's precisely what I say, and as the Bible says nothing at all as to how the Egyptian mages did their tricks, I'll stand with that.

Let me get this straight...

You believe that Pharaoh's magicians turned their rods into serpents (Exodus 7:11-12), turned the waters that were in the rivers to blood (Exodus 7:22) and covered the land of Egypt with frogs (Exodus 8:7) all by "the sleight of hand"? You've got a lot to learn.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Regarding fortune telling or divination, we read:
Let me get this straight...

You believe that Pharaoh's magicians turned their rods into serpents (Exodus 7:11-12), turned the waters that were in the rivers to blood (Exodus 7:22) and covered the land of Egypt with frogs (Exodus 8:7) all by "the sleight of hand"? You've got a lot to learn.

What, are you having a hard time believing that really happened, oh thou of little faith?

Those mysterious "2 witnesses" in the jewish/hebrew book Revelation also appear to have the same powers as my bros Moses and Elijah

Exodus 7:20 And Moses and Aaron are doing as which YHWH instructed. And he is holding high in rod, and is smiting the waters which in Nile, before eyes of Pharaoh, and before eyes of his servants,
and the waters in the Nile are being turned to blood.

1 King 18:37 "Answer thou me YHWH! Answer thou me! and the people, this shall know that Thou YHWH the Elohiym and Thou turn-around their heart backward"
38 And fire of YHWH is falling and is devouring the ascent-offering/05930 `olah, and the woods and the stones and the soil and, the waters which in trench is licked up.

Reve 11:5These are the two olivetrees and the two lamp-stands the ones in view of the Lord of the land standing and if any them willing to injure, fire is going forth out of the mouth of them and devouring the enemies of them.
And if any should be willing them to injure, thus is binding him to be killed.
Reve 11:6 These are having authority to lock the heaven that no shower may be raining the days of the prophecy of them, and authority they are having upon of the waters to be turning them into blood and to smite the land in every blow as often ever they should willing.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7546561-2/#post57059645
Is it legitimate to call fire down from heaven like Elijah did?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In my many yrs of debates with atheists [a lot of them ex-Christians], they always bring up the FSP and FPU in refuting Christians belief in God or a deity

Oh lol didn't really understand that before I don't know about any FSM but I do know about jesus

I made a typo earlier concerning the IPU in my last post...mea culpa

Invisible Pink Unicorn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The IPU is used to argue that supernatural beliefs are arbitrary by, for example, replacing the word God in any theistic statement with Invisible Pink Unicorn. The mutually exclusive attributes of pinkness and invisibility, coupled with the inability to disprove the IPU's existence, satirize properties that some theists attribute to a theistic deity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_VQ_aXmd0&feature=related

 

[God's Word]

What, are you having a hard time believing that really happened, oh thou of little faith?

Not at all. You should go back and reread my post...apparently you misunderstood what I was saying. Of course, I believe that they had the power to do such. I was merely addressing the fact that Jipsah thinks that they merely did it by a "sleight of hand".

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh lol didn't really understand that before I don't know about any FSM but I do know about jesus

I see you are also from the great "country" of Texas...

http://www.christianforums.com/t7443861/#post55886521

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Coincidentally the battle of the Alamo was similar to that event....but instead of arrows, it was the cannonballs that blocked out the sun

Santa Ana: "Our cannonballs will blot out the sun!"
Travis: "Then we will fight in the shade"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-Vwvf1qAMA

 

[LinuxUser]

It surprises me how superstitious some Christians are adding to the Bible so they might act pious and stay away from evil were there is none. I guess when one is allowed to put any spin on Scripture I shouldn't be surprised. People that try to put something evil in stories that are not there are much, much more damaging to Christianity than any atheist could be