if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[frankleespeaking]

Again, I repeat myself, where's the so-called Biblically condemned witchcraft and blood-drinking in Harry Potter? I want page references and quotes from the books (movies don't count).

please post a reference where I stated Harry Potter drank blood? if you look back to the original post it was a broad post referencing the glamorization of witchcraft, and blood drinking in shows like Harry Potter, Twilite series, I did not specify which show or book or movie was assigned to what specific detestible act, I'm guessing most you posters don't believe human sacrifices are still being done, even in America and they are mostly children.....but its a bit much to rap your head around, especially if you don't even believe in the simplest forms of white magic, As for people not believing the Harry Potter series would strike an interest in the occult, the website for wicca and other forum boards of similar occultic threads, stands in testimony that they are! and in droves! think about it, in my day we only had bewitched, and that got me started down a path of rituals and spells, and I assure you its not always the correct potion or formula of worship or ritual that opens doors, even what most witches would consider benign spells and incantations are used to initiate unknowing kids into the beginings of witchcraft. The extent of witchcraft in hollywood is evident in the music and movies coming out, most people would be amazed at how many professionals in all walks of life participate in this false religon, The bible tells us over and over not to have anything to do with it or the folks who practice it, they were killing children for molech a thousand years ago and I tell you its still being done today, although its hidden today, as it would repulse anyone who has even a little bit of conscience left.

 

[Jipsah]

Thanks to the few Christian posters that see why making sorcery and witchcraft fun and entertaining

If people could actually do magic it would be fun and entertaining. But since people can't do magic, then it can't be fun, or entertaining, or anything else.

That's what makes this topic so stupid. Would a fictional character be condemned to hell for doing things that it isn't possible for real people to actually do? Secuse me?

, is a draw for kids to practice real occult.

If a kid is drawn to the occult be the notion that he'll learnhow to do magic, then he won't be there long. They'd quickly learn that "magick" of the sort in which pagans engage is simply the worship of the ridiculous "gods" in which they claim to believe.

It truly is a subtle and cunning ploy. most can't even reconize the danger

The danger of being enticed into "sins" which it isn't possible for people to commit? Boy,now there's a danger easily avoided!

 

[frankleespeaking]

Franklee, some Christians also over-react to what they perceive as danger, when in reality, no danger is actually present except in their own minds. Reading Harry Potter will not lead kids into the occult. Reading the works of Anton LaVey will. Whydon't you go gripe about how easy it is to get his books and leave J.K. Fleming's works alone. I mean she did a great thing with the Harry Potter series. She got kids interested in reading again.

Statistics have already proven it is striking a huge interest into the occult, all sorts of occultic books are flying off the shelves in record sales, even CS Lewis is quoted in saying "He has a lust for the occult" and his personal friends who he regarded very highly were deeply involved in the occult. history itself will tell you how powerful occult practices can be, look at Joseph Smith deeply involved in the occult, formed one of the richest branches of Christianity on the planet today......the occult must be a good thing! its bringing people to Jesus! how wrong I must be!

 

[heymikey80]

Harry Potter's not real and neither is the Easter Bunny. Or Santa Claus as we know him.

Practicing magic of any sort is prohibited. Lotsa magic out there.

"The lion, the witch and the wardrobe" have kids using magic instruments.

Most stories can be leveraged for good or ill. Human beings are the source for doing so: not the stories.

 

[Timothew]

actually to be perfectly honest, I'm not afriad of anything anymore, but about fifteen years ago I was demon possessed, to the point where my eyes glowed, you can't even imagine how scary that was, I could feel the worms that never die crawling through my body, I could even see them moving under my skin, yes witchcraft is just loads of fun, channeling spirits, speaking to the dead, and basically being a human ouji board, but I guess when witchcraft becomes this real to a person, I simply don't understand why any Christian would glorify any aspect of it, If the man from the Gerasenes was here to speak with you, who was so full of demons he could rip chains apart, He would also tell you its not make believe, or simply a harmless childhood adventure, its geared to get kids interested in the occult plain and simple.

You would love the videogame Fable for Xbox.

 

[frankleespeaking]

You would love the videogame Fable for Xbox.

actually I probably would! most sinful things have great pleasure in doing them, to deny this as truth I would be a liar. but I can see the spiritual tags are easily seen on the cover of this game, spirits like gang members like to mark their turf, .....I think I'll pass

 

[frankleespeaking]

Oh get off your high horse mate.
This is after all a debate board and sometimes I will play devil's advocate just for fun

I did find this interesting thread on the news and current events board, and what is great about this board is, even the "heathens" can post on it! Fun I say!

http://www.christianforums.com/t6296417/
J K Rowling: ‘Christianity inspired Harry Potter’

I'm not here for fun, and I can assure you I will in no way surpass anyone in this forum in the kingdom of heaven, I'm only thankful I had opportunity to realize my sinfulness and repent, The greatest sinner will always be more aware of sin just as he will always be more thankful, for my debt to Jesus was great, I deserve to be cast into hell, no doubt about it.

 

[Zecryphon]

Statistics have already proven it is striking a huge interest into the occult, all sorts of occultic books are flying off the shelves in record sales, even CS Lewis is quoted in saying "He has a lust for the occult" and his personal friends who he regarded very highly were deeply involved in the occult.

Do you have any evidence to back this up or are these just talking points from anti-Harry Potter websites that you probably frequent? Because I just pulled up the best selling non-fiction hardcover books for 2011 as compiled by the New York Times and there's nothing occult on that list. Here's the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/2011-07-24/hardcover-nonfiction/list.html

Here's the link for the best selling paperback non-fiction books of 2011:

Best Sellers - The New York Times

In all the lists I've looked at of best selling religious books, none of them are occult books. So let's see some sources for your claims please.

history itself will tell you how powerful occult practices can be, look at Joseph Smith deeply involved in the occult, formed one of the richest branches of Christianity on the planet today......the occult must be a good thing! its bringing people to Jesus! how wrong I must be!

Joseph Smith founded the Mormon church because he believed that all other Christian churches at that time were apostate. Mormons are not Christians. No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them - John 6:44.

 

[Timothew]

actually I probably would! most sinful things have great pleasure in doing them, to deny this as truth I would be a liar. but I can see the spiritual tags are easily seen on the cover of this game, spirits like gang members like to mark their turf, .....I think I'll pass

I just thought I'd offer up another subject for the inquisition.
Witch hunts are fun for everyone. The red glowing eyes reminded me of this game.

but about fifteen years ago I was demon possessed, to the point where my eyes glowed, you can't even imagine how scary that was, I could feel the worms that never die crawling through my body

Was this drug related in any way?

 

[Blueforest]

You would love the videogame Fable for Xbox.

Vidya games are sinful.

 

[frankleespeaking]

If people could actually do magic it would be fun and entertaining. But since people can't do magic, then it can't be fun, or entertaining, or anything else.

That's what makes this topic so stupid. Would a fictional character be condemned to hell for doing things that it isn't possible for real people to actually do? Secuse me?

If a kid is drawn to the occult be the notion that he'll learnhow to do magic, then he won't be there long. They'd quickly learn that "magick" of the sort in which pagans engage is simply the worship of the ridiculous "gods" in which they claim to believe.

The danger of being enticed into "sins" which it isn't possible for people to commit? Boy,now there's a danger easily avoided!

Obviously you know nothing about witchcraft, if nobody ever seen or got results it would of died out in a month, seeing that this practice has survived from the time of the tower of Bable and God reconized it to be destestable practice, but you somehow only see it as benign make believe hocus pokus......somebody is wrong.....and my money and experience says Gods right and your wrong, the bible is full of examples of sorcery even the sorcerers that came against Moses dublicated 3/4s of the signs God gave Moses to show God was with Him, you may say they used slight of hand or magicians tricks, but the bible says different, of course as many Christians today don't really regard the bible is true and this my easily be your story.

 

[Zecryphon]

Obviously you know nothing about witchcraft, if nobody ever seen or got results it would of died out in a month, seeing that this practice has survived from the time of the tower of Bable and God reconized it to be destestable practice, but you somehow only see it as benign make believe hocus pokus......somebody is wrong.....and my money and experience says Gods right and your wrong, the bible is full of examples of sorcery even the sorcerers that came against Moses dublicated 3/4s of the signs God gave Moses to show God was with Him, you may say they used slight of hand or magicians tricks, but the bible says different, of course as many Christians today don't really regard the bible is true and this my easily be your story.

You're ignoring the fact that the witchcraft and sorcery practiced in the Bible is real and the sorcery taking place in Harry Potter is fictional. Those aren't real spells. Are you telling us that you actually believe that if someone says "Accio" while waving a stick around, the object they desire will be summoned to them?

 

[frankleespeaking]

Vidya games are sinful.

I would say no! not all vidya games are sinful, but some are, if you can't tell the difference, then I would say there's a discernment issue, I hope you still have a notion that there is a good opposite of evil, or has everything in the world just become just a bland grey area for you?

 

[Stryder06]

You're ignoring the fact that the witchcraft and sorcery practiced in the Bible is real and the sorcery taking place in Harry Potter is fictional. Those aren't real spells. Are you telling us that you actually believe that if someone says "Accio" while waving a stick around, the object they desire will be summoned to them?

It being fictional is beside the point. It's the principle that needs to be considered. God says that witchcraft is bad. I don't think we ought to be cheering it on and calling it harmless or saying that just because its fictional it's ok. That fictional story could cause someone to explore witchcraft in real life. Witchcraft in any form, is the Devil's product. That's just my .02 on the matter.

 

[God's Word]

I'm not here for fun, and I can assure you I will in no way surpass anyone in this forum in the kingdom of heaven, I'm only thankful I had opportunity to realize my sinfulness and repent, The greatest sinner will always be more aware of sin just as he will always be more thankful, for my debt to Jesus was great, I deserve to be cast into hell, no doubt about it.

Amen. I can certainly relate. Don't ever be ashamed of showing your appreciation for what Jesus has done for you.

 

[abysmul]

It being fictional is beside the point. It's the principle that needs to be considered. God says that witchcraft is bad. I don't think we ought to be cheering it on and calling it harmless or saying that just because its fictional it's ok. That fictional story could cause someone to explore witchcraft in real life. Witchcraft in any form, is the Devil's product. That's just my .02 on the matter.

Is it safe to assume that all of you posting here against the likes of the Harry Potter books don't read and don't allow their children to read things like the Grimm fairy tales? Also, I assume none of you have ever watched the classic Disney animated movies and prohibit their children from watching them?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Amen. I can certainly relate. Don't ever be ashamed of showing your appreciation for what Jesus has done for you.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Young) Romans 1:16 for I am not ashamed of the good news of the Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to every one who is believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek.

 

[God's Word]

It being fictional is beside the point. It's the principle that needs to be considered. God says that witchcraft is bad. I don't think we ought to be cheering it on and calling it harmless or saying that just because its fictional it's ok. That fictional story could cause someone to explore witchcraft in real life. Witchcraft in any form, is the Devil's product. That's just my .02 on the matter.

Amen. Also, there are lots of things in the Harry Potter books which are NOT fictional. There are real places and real people who are named in the books. Not only does this potentially confuse the young minds who are reading these books as they may not yet be able to fully distinguish between fiction and truth, but the real people who are mentioned in the books were REAL OCCULTISTS. For anyone who wants some of these names, I've already posted two videos which address this. In the first video, some names are given.

P.S. In the first video, it mentions how Rowlings has received a lot of letters from children BEGGING HER to let them go to the wizardry school (Hogsworth...or whatever it's called). These books are not nearly as innocent or FICTIONAL as some on this thread claim.

 

[frankleespeaking]

You're ignoring the fact that the witchcraft and sorcery practiced in the Bible is real and the sorcery taking place in Harry Potter is fictional. Those aren't real spells. Are you telling us that you actually believe that if someone says "Accio" while waving a stick around, the object they desire will be summoned to them?

I'm not ignoring any facts, let me propose a similar situation and see if it sheds any light into your soul, ....computer graphics have taken great leaps these days and can now produce very detailed human looking computer generated images, how would you feel about computer generated kiddie porn, its not real, no real children are really being molested, its all make believe and purely fictional, do you see any danger in that, I mean really! are you going to tell me now that make believe characters dreamed up on the computer are going to influence anyone, they are basically cartoon characters they're not REAL! according to your logic fakery and fiction can no way shape or form influence anyone whether good or bad......and I beg to differ

 

[Zecryphon]

It being fictional is beside the point. It's the principle that needs to be considered. God says that witchcraft is bad. I don't think we ought to be cheering it on and calling it harmless or saying that just because its fictional it's ok. That fictional story could cause someone to explore witchcraft in real life. Witchcraft in any form, is the Devil's product. That's just my .02 on the matter.

I agree, actual witchcraft is bad. Actual witchcraft is not taking place in Harry Potter. This difference should silence all you Potter haters, but it won't. See you guys think you're doing all this good by "exposing" Harry Potter books as bad and of the devil, but by talking about it constantly and condemning it in multiple threads, you're making more people aware of it and it's your actions that are leading people the very people you're trying to protect to these books. So if the books are of the devil, then you're introducing a bunch of people to what you consider Satanic practices. Well done.